Crafting Mods, Game Limitations, and You

[eni819]

It looks like we have some potential fixes in the works that might get rid of this problem entirely. As I've stated before, some modder's have already made mods that avoid this problem entirely, but two new possibilities have come up:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/FalloutMods/comments/3yrd04/fo4_hey_i_mighta_fixed_the_pesky_menu_limit_bug/

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7259/?

 

If you're a mod author I suggest keeping an eye out on what these guys figure out. For the rest of us, let's keep our fingers crossed.

[Kastergir]

It looks like we have some potential fixes in the works that might get rid of this problem entirely. As I've stated before, some modder's have already made mods that avoid this problem entirely, but two new possibilities have come up:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/FalloutMods/comments/3yrd04/fo4_hey_i_mighta_fixed_the_pesky_menu_limit_bug/

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7259/?

 

If you're a mod author I suggest keeping an eye out on what these guys figure out. For the rest of us, let's keep our fingers crossed.

 

I am falling to my knees kissing those 2 guys' feet...

 

Serious THANKS to Stuyk and ddproductions83 - for the wonderfull MODs you both have gave us, as well as your ongoing efforts to make everything even better .

 

*keeping fingers crossed*

Edited December 30, 2015 by Kastergir

[mcface]

Yup :) I'm signing OCDecorator up for the Settlement Keyword project. It will take me awhile to convert but someone did the legwork and I might as well take advantage of it.

 

I'm not too sure how DDproductions cool custom menu circumvents the problem though. Crafting stations are technically separate menus and they are still impacted by this problem.

[eni819]

So just an update for people following this.

 

The Settlement Keywords project is gaining momentum and is significantly clearing up menu space for other mods. So far there's a total of 4 mods supported, with the potential for... just about all of them. The mod authors involved are doing great work and I'm thrilled to see the progress.

 

Currently, however, the way the SK works causes a number of conflicts with other crafting mods (mainly just the settlement mods). Stuyk (the author of the SK) has offered services to port mods over to make them compliant to the system. In most cases this is not too hard of a process and once done will make future updates by the original mod authors quite easy. Currently there are only 14 new menus (keywords) that have been added, and the major mods are causing some significant bloat in the amount of objects in certain menus. This is an issue that's being discussed and finding a nice happy medium between too few and too many menus is a high priority.

 

To see the mods currently supported I recommend going to the SK page directly: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7259/?

 

I also have setup a straw poll to help figure out where the menu balance should be. This will help the mod authors a great deal in making the mods the way you want them to be. If you could take the time to go and throw in your input it would be greatly appreciated!

 

http://strawpoll.me/6457958

[alliyah]

Hi

I'm new to modding, how do I do a load order? My stairs and floors are also missing.

[alliyah]

@journeyman where did you get ALTSET-OCD-CompatabilityPatch.esp ? I can't find it anywhere.

[fadingsignal]

Late to the workshop mods, been spending time mostly maintaining my releases and playing the game.

 

Anyway, all I have is OCDecorator, and my own small plug-in where I added about 50 static objects, with three new category keywords. Total keywords including vanilla is 101, but my "food an drink" stores are disappearing randomly while I was making stuff just now. Is it a keyword limit (the 200 mentioned), or an object total limit? Those running Homemaker AND OCDecorator would be using FAR more objects than I have, so I'm confused.

[Demonikone]

Here is my working load order with a slightly different array of crafting mods but yeah, i notice that i might be at or close to some means of limit as i tried add a few more and it kinda said F you but no!! lol

 

 

 

 

GameMode=Fallout4

Fallout4.esm=1
ArmorKeywords.esm=1
Homemaker.esm=1
SettlementKeywords.esm=1
Snap'n Build.esm=1
Robot Home Defence.esm=1
Homemaker.esp=1
BrighterSettlementLights.esp=1
BuildableBurningCampfires.esp=1
Arbitration.esp=1
Existence 2.0.esp=1
BetterNightVision.esp=1
BloodDecalsFix.esp=1
CraftableAmmunitions.esp=1
DarkerNights.esp=1
Discover Location 50%.esp=1
Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp=1
IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp=1
Institute Clean.esp=1
LegendaryAllDifficulties5x.esp=1
LightboxPower.esp=1
MegaExplosions_x2_VisualsOnly.esp=1
MMP4APA.esp=1
NX Pro Farmer.esp=1
PaintJobs.esp=1
Perks Unleashed.esp=1
PipBoyShadows.esp=1
Power Conduits and Pylons - Increased Radius.esp=1
DD_All_the_COncrete.esp=1
DDP_Lightbox1.esp=1
RainofBrassPetals.esp=1
RealisticLights.esp=1
RRP4APA.esp=1
SPECIAL-42.esp=1
Weightless throwables.esp=1
Walls and Floors - Simple Intersection.esp=1
vertibirdgrenade.esp=1
Workshop_Planters.esp=1
Worsins-Immersive-Garage-X01-Bundle.esp=1
Worsins-Standalone-BetterFlames-Bundle.esp=1
X1_BOS.esp=1
zWGirlClothSimply.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
Eli_ArmourCollection.esp=1
Jacket.esp=1
J&C Outfit fix.esp=1
cutoffs-calyps.esp=1
DX Commonwealth Mini Dresses.esp=1
AR7_MadHatter.esp=1
PowerArmorDelivery.esp=1
Movable Power Armor.esp=1
Harness-calyps.esp=1
Crafting Workbench.esp=1
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp=1
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Expanded.esp=1
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp=1
Crafting Workbenches - Junk Items.esp=1
Crafting Workbenches - Power Armor.esp=1
Crafting Workbenches - Pre War and Manufactured.esp=1
LegendaryModification.esp=1
LegendaryModification2LM.esp=1
LegendaryModificationMisc.esp=1
LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp=1
LegendaryModificationCSA.esp=1
BetterSettlers.esp=1
DX Chem I Care Outfit.esp=1
Build High - Expanded Settlements.esp=1
DeadBodyCollision.esp=1
RichMerchants.esp=1
EferasShoulderBag.esp=1
MoreHairstyles4Male3.1.esp=1
MoreHairstyles4Female4.1.esp=1
MoreBeards2.esp=1
GlovesOfTheCommonwealth.esp=1
dD-Action Ragdoll Force.esp=1
Realistic Death Physics.esp=1
Colossus.esp=1
PAStealthMods.esp=1
DX Commonwealth Shorts.esp=1
All Military Skin pack.esp=1
T60CamoPack.esp=1
Anchorage Power Armor.esp=1
Parang Machete.esp=1
BoneWeaponsLagrie.esp=1
Santanas Bandanas.esp=1
TDS_PA_WWII_Paints_Literust.esp=1
WraparoundNVG.esp=1
Eli_PlantPots.esp=0
BrighterSettlementLights_ExtraBrightv1.1.esp=1
Glowing Eyes.esp=1
Cuts and Blunts 3.0.esp=1
TrueStormsFO4.esp=1
Chem_redux.esp=1
DV-Durable Vertibirds.esp=1
MoreBetterWeaponMods1.3.esp=1
Weapon Mods Mod.esp=1
zWInsanity.esp=1
Armorsmith Extended.esp=1
WeightlessAid.esp=1
WeightlessJunk.esp=1
WeightlessSpecialAmmo.esp=1
Spartan-Calyps.esp=1
Raider Power Armor Reforged.esp=1
Eli_ArmourCollection_CWB_Patch.esp=1
Armorsmith Elianora Extended.esp=1
Arbitration - Survival Damage by Player 2.5x.esp=1
Arbitration - Controllable Lowered Weapons.esp=1
Arbitration - Instant Weapon Lowering.esp=1
Arbitration - Better Combat AI.esp=1
Arbitration - Reduced Grenade Spam.esp=1
Arbitration - Farther Grenade Detection.esp=1
Arbitration - Stealth Overhaul (Vanilla Detection Distance).esp=1
Arbitration - Fall Damage Overhaul.esp=1
Arbitration - Molotov.esp=1
Arbitration - No Condition Regeneration.esp=1
Arbitration - Reload and Walk Speed.esp=1
Arbitration - Speed Uninstaller (Remove This and Save).esp=1
Cait_Makeover_Unladylike_Haircut.esp=1
FusionCoreCrafting.esp=1
MojaveImports.esp=1
TS-ShortSkirts.esp=1
Eli_Utility Jumpsuits.esp=1
LongerHeadlampLightWithShadows2x.esp=1
Realjetpack10%drain.esp=1
Extended weapon mods.esp=1
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp=1
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp=1
NoNegativeAffinityNof*#@s.esp=1
NoAffinityCooldown.esp=1
CompanionHairstyleSelectionPiper.esp=1
CROSS_Gear.esp=1
Craftable Armor Size.esp=1
WeaponRacks.esp=1
WeaponRacks-Tools-Weightless.esp=1
WeaponRacks-Weapons-Vanilla.esp=1
OCDecorator.esp=1
OCDispenser.esp=1
OCDuplicator.esp=1
Safe SSEx.esp=1
Snap and Build - Modules.esp=1
Snap and Build - Patches.esp=1
Simple Intersection.esp=1
ExpandedSettlementBuildings.esp=1
ExpandedSettlementBuildings_SimpleIntersection.esp=1
ExpandedSettlementBuildings_Homemaker.esp=1
DD_AIO_I_Hate_You_All.esp=1
DD_Columnsandstuff_1_0.esp=1
Business Settlements.esp=1
ABP Paintings.esp=1
ABP Paintings - Categories #G#B#P#01#50.esp=1
Homemaker - SK-SSEx-SnB.esp=1
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects SK.esp=1
OSHA_Signs.esp=1
Friffy_Fixed Rugs.esp=1
MoreWeapMods.esp=1
SellMoreShipments3x.esp=1
NoBlurOnHit.esp=1
Nuke Screen Effect Remover.esp=1
DoubleVATSDistanceCap.esp=1
RagdollCollision.esp=1
PreWarSafes.esp=1
Tougher Cars.esp=1
slootyVaultSuit.esp=1
X01_CarbonCamo.esp=1
combat_PA.esp=1
CW - Combat_PA Patch.esp=1
ShadeArmorIV.esp=1
Jetpack_Winter_Trooper.esp=1
Jetpack_Vanilla_Variant.esp=1
Jetpack_Standard_Issue_Light.esp=1
Jetpack_Standard_Issue_Dark.esp=1
Jetpack_Standard_Issue.esp=1
Jetpack_Platinum.esp=1
Jetpack_IronManMkI.esp=1
Jetpack_Chrome.esp=1
Jetpack_Charcoal.esp=1
Jetpack_Antique.esp=1

 

 

 

 

Though I think with a little shuffling I could probibly get around that, some of this isnt perfect but it COULD help some one i guess ^_^

Edited January 16, 2016 by Demonikone

[kingculex]

@alliyah

 

The ALTSET-OCD-CompatabilityPatch.esp patch is outdated and for older versions of ALternate Settlements and OCD. OCD had it for awhile on their download page.

 

@Everyone

 

Settlement Keywords does work and for now several of the mods require compatibilty patches until they are ported to Settlement Keywords. The compatibilty patches are often provided by the mod author. This my load order and everything works because I use my own custom compatibilty patch.

 

 

 

 

 

Fallout4.esm
SettlementKeywords.esm
Homemaker.esm
Worsin's Garage.esm
ArmorKeywords.esm
Robot Home Defence.esm
Homemaker - Greenhouse and Bunker Disabler.esp
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp
SuperHelpfulItemTidying.esp
TagBag.esp
Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp
FO4SeasonsMoreGrassLow.esp
DarkerNights.esp
DarkerNightsDetection.esp
BetterNightVision.esp
TrueStormsFO4.esp
TrueStormsFO4-ClimateSettings.esp
TrueStormsFO4-Performance-Fog.esp
fog.esp
Remove Interior Fog.esp
DarkerNights-TrueStorms.esp
DDP_BAB_M1.esp
AlternateSettlements.esp
Snap and Build - Greenhouse.esp
OCDecorator.esp
WPFDU_Food_x50.esp
SummonerOnlyBots.esp
Flags of the Old World.esp
Locked Doors - Destructable.esp
Locked Doors - Indestructable.esp
Locked Doors - Player House(optional).esp
Move that Workbench!.esp
Business Settlements.esp
ConvenientStores.esp
Fusebox Generator.esp
AIO SS.esp
ModelRobotDisplay.esp
NukaColaDisplayStand.esp
Dont Throw Stones.esp
DDP_Bridge_mark1.esp
DDP_Ramps_mark1.esp
DDP_Elevators_mark1.esp
DDP_Bridge_mark1_Institute.esp
DD_All_the_COncrete.esp
DD_Power_armor_option.esp
DD_bobblehead_stands.esp
DDP_Lightbox1.esp
Craftable Institute Elevators - all in one - Homemaker.esp
WeaponRacks.esp
WeaponRacks-Tools-Weightless.esp
ZerasPaintings.esp
Crafting Workbench.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Junk Items.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Power Armor.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Pre War and Manufactured.esp
LegendaryModification.esp
ChineseStealthArmorLegendaryMod.esp
LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
LegendaryModification2LM.esp
LegendaryModificationCSA.esp
LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp
LegendaryModificationRemoveLevelEC.esp
LegendaryModification2LMRemoveLevelEC.esp
LegendaryModificationMiscRemoveLevelEC.esp
LegendaryModificationCSARemoveLevelEC.esp
LegendaryModificationGroknakRemoveEC.esp
AnyModAnyWeapon.esp
LegendaryMod2LMAnyModAnyWeap.esp
LegendaryModification2LMAKPatch.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Identify Power Armor Frames.esp
Buildable_PAFrame_v1.3.esp
Weaponry Overhaul.esp
Weapon Mods Mod - WBO.esp
CommChemExpanded.esp
CommChemExp-BetterItemSorting-Patch.esp
Craftable Armor Size.esp
GlovesOfTheCommonwealth.esp
Gloves of the Commonwealth - Crafting.esp
Gloves of the Commonwealth - ASE.esp
Logical Recipes.esp
ArtilleryFlare.esp
NuclearQuickfire.esp
Various Flare Guns.esp
Various Flare Guns - Optional (Crafting Ammo Workbench).esp
Simple Intersection.esp
Switched Power Pylons - Increased Radius.esp
LoweredJetpakAPDrain.esp
NoFallDamage.esp
AerysFO4Customs.esp
Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esp
Home Plate Workbench.esp
AirportWorkBench.esp
CarryWeight99999.esp
CarryWeight200Strength.esp
Easier Hacking - 1 Word.esp
Easy Lockpick.esp
Guaranteed Pickpocket.esp
InfiniteFusionCore.esp
NoObjectLimit.esp
LongerPowerLines3x.esp
Scrapper Corpse Highlighting.esp
ScrapperRangeExtension16x.esp
TargetReconEyewear(NonReplacer).esp
VatsOverThere_IncreasedVATSRange_AimIncreaseMaxed.esp
DisableAllFaction.esp
MoreShipments_50.esp
ShipmentSize_125.esp
VendorCaps_50k.esp
SkjAlert_RS+.esp
Covenant Turrets.esp
ExpandedSettlementFWHeight.esp
BetterArmor&WeaponNaming_by_Ruddy88.esp
BetterItemSorting.esp
BetterItemSorting-AID.esp
BetterItemSorting-APPAREL.esp
BetterItemSorting-JUNK.esp
BetterItemSorting-MISC.esp
BetterItemSorting-WEAPONS.esp
BetterSettlers.esp
BetterSettlersHeavyArmorOnly.esp
BetterClothing.esp
WeaponRacks-Weapons-BS-WO.esp
WPFDU_Defense_NPR_x1000.esp
WPFDU_Generators_x1000.esp
WPFDU_Water_x1000.esp
Summoner.esp
SettlerRenaming.esp
MoreAmmo.esp
Blood Angels Death Company Paint.esp
MMP4APA-blue.esp
MMP4APA.esp
N7 X1PowerArmor.esp
PowerGoggles.esp
RRP4APA.esp
X1_BOS.esp
Enclave SpaceMarine Black Templars.esp
Worsins-Paint-Garage-lite-with-bonus.esp
ZW's F4 Power Armor Overhaul.esp
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
More Where That Came From - Classic.esp
brtrn_craftingItemsAreNotJunk.esp
brtrn_highValueAreNotJunk.esp
brtrn_holoTagsAreNotJunk.esp
brtrn_toysAreNotJunk.esp
brtrn_undamagedItemsAreNotJunk.esp
brtrn_uniqueItemsAreNotJunk.esp
skmerge0.6.esp

 

[alanbard]

I just got slammed with this... I was doing pretty well and then I got the missions involving the custom items added to the front of the menu... the artillary gun and the four items for the teleporting arch to the institude.
And it seems to have overwritten some items because even going back and turning things off when I get to the power menu I CTD..; which is bad because I need a generator for more power to run the teleporting stuff.
---
but as someone said it's probably a 256 bit boundary...
back in the early days I blew up Pagemaker when I installed more than 512 fonts... and actually way back then Apple had to rebuild their font system because they had only allowed for 256 ... why would there ever be more.