nonoodles Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 They'll probably love it and consider it very deep and emotionally wrenching and also you get to build your own villages. For the record, I'm not a classic Fallout vet and FO3 was my introduction to the franchise. Loved it. FO4 is nice and I'll eventually get back to it...someday...one day..... ...looks at settlement building. Sees the spectre of towns that might have been, ghosts of npcs who might have existed, shadows of quests that got shafted in favour of radiancy...*sniff* http://i.imgur.com/cbrgdl1.jpg Sorry, (silly) humour is a comforting refuge :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Err... Exactly what HAVE new players been missing? NPCs breaking the fourth wall by talking about your clicking on them? NPCs wondering aloud if they'll still live if you uninstall the game? NPCs saying that you look like a mech warrior in your power armour, and wondering if you even have the right game installed on your hard drive? Hearing your character talk about how he thought it's the European version of Fallout 2? And that's just Fallout 2. Just a small portion of that, at that. Or speaking of relationships: Getting shotgun-married after just passing a speech check? Selling your spouse into slavery? Making some money by having her blow porn stars to get them hard before a shoot, until she gets lube poisoning? That's Fallout 2 too. I really don't get this rose-tinted glasses nostalgia. As an actual student of ye olde lore, poring over old faded tomes in my wizard tower, I'm just not seeing that super-consistent universe that other people keep talking about, nor those super-deep relationships and quests. WHICH relationship from Fallout 1, 2 or Tactics was so deep that new players are missing out on, if they don't get a deep relationship with their spouse here? What. The. Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted54170User Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 I've been keeping tabs on the number of modders and where their attention is focused. The paints dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Well, don't count the paint dried until the GECK and a NifSkope that can import .obj files again are out. Is all I'm saying :tongue: Especially the GECK, if you want scripted stuff or stuff including dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted54170User Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 If you've read the following then you can see my way of thinking. The paints dry. The game is now having the roughness shaved off by modders attempting to buff it out, giving it a smoother surface to play on and adding story lines to intrigue minds who still read books. The sloppy novice painters paintings skill prove, once again, that the talented guild artists are being forced out of work because their mastery, experience, is too expensive for Bethesda to afford. If you've read the following then you can see my new revised way of thinking and it may not be as harsh.. I have been able to revise my way of thinking only by reversing viows and siting some reviews of the people who became parents. The company called Bethesda is now like a bunch of parents who have children and they made coloring books with electronic toys for them children to play with. Now Fallout 4 is the result and is nothing even in comparison to the adult views the parents may have shared with the fallout series, MORROWIND, OBLIVION And SKYRIM.The developers apparently are like children whose parent put their coloring pages upon the refrigerator door and thank any one who will donate to support their children for such a splendid job of painting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonoodles Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia? :geek: Assuming you were responding to my comment, or even if not, all I said was I loved FO3. On every technical ground, FO4 is a huge improvement. Also, companions and non-radiant quests, including the main quest - noticeably improved. The sum of its much improved parts has simply failed to fill me with a sense of enjoyment. Then again, it's the holiday season and maybe I'm too busy sipping pink gin fizzes to care about the game, heh. The settler system and its radiant quests do provide a reasonable forecast of the direction BGS want to go, and I do have some reasonable grounds to fear this will mean they pay less and less attention to the things I enjoyed in their games. And obviously, no idea what a newcomer to the franchise would feel about FO4 but again, can anyone say those are not reasons they'll cite for enjoying it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Nah, mate, I was answering to Pagafyr. He's the one who brought up the previous 5 games and what new players are missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribblesix Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 If you've read the following then you can see my way of thinking. The paints dry. The game is now having the roughness shaved off by modders attempting to buff it out, giving it a smoother surface to play on and adding story lines to intrigue minds who still read books. The sloppy novice painters paintings skill prove, once again, that the talented guild artists are being forced out of work because their mastery, experience, is too expensive for Bethesda to afford. If you've read the following then you can see my new revised way of thinking and it may not be as harsh.. I have been able to revise my way of thinking only by reversing viows and siting some reviews of the people who became parents. The company called Bethesda is now like a bunch of parents who have children and they made coloring books with electronic toys for them children to play with. Now Fallout 4 is the result and is nothing even in comparison to the adult views the parents may have shared with the fallout series, MORROWIND, OBLIVION And SKYRIM.The developers apparently are like children whose parent put their coloring pages upon the refrigerator door and thank any one who will donate to support their children for such a splendid job of painting.I'm really sorry but I had a lot of trouble following that. In regards to some commentators talking about the 'tone' of the fallout series, I think a lot of it was in what might be called the 'monty python school' of humour. That is to say within the interaction of the prosperously literal and the plain ridiculous. So having something awful portrayed in all its gory detail (a man nailed to a cross) while something daft happens next to him (everyone sings @look on the brighter side of life"). My feeling is that this 'style' of humour has rather gone out of vogue for the younger millenials who are often rather prone to taking offence. Hence its removal or watering down from fallout 3 and especially 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted54170User Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 I was referring to your post when I was interrupted by the post just after it. I had written a bundle of words of hypothetical refined words of the sofa soft kind, only to have them shocked out of place by the new post from the next person. I wrote those words about the games paint being dried in a switch over to reason with my swift response following it. Pink fizzies? I have a car I purchased for a little bit of money because it had a problem no mechanic had been able to solve until I got it. So now I have an $86,000 dollar car I got cheap, I would rather drive around with no other purpose then to drive it around, then spend another dollar on the beverages people reasoned with to be drinkable they made in a laboratory trying to find a way to clean the Earths water, that the sea creatures all piss and s#*! in when they're not having sex, so it was palatable again. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribblesix Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 If you've read the following then you can see my way of thinking. The paints dry. The game is now having the roughness shaved off by modders attempting to buff it out, giving it a smoother surface to play on and adding story lines to intrigue minds who still read books. The sloppy novice painters paintings skill prove, once again, that the talented guild artists are being forced out of work because their mastery, experience, is too expensive for Bethesda to afford. If you've read the following then you can see my new revised way of thinking and it may not be as harsh.. I have been able to revise my way of thinking only by reversing viows and siting some reviews of the people who became parents. The company called Bethesda is now like a bunch of parents who have children and they made coloring books with electronic toys for them children to play with. Now Fallout 4 is the result and is nothing even in comparison to the adult views the parents may have shared with the fallout series, MORROWIND, OBLIVION And SKYRIM.The developers apparently are like children whose parent put their coloring pages upon the refrigerator door and thank any one who will donate to support their children for such a splendid job of painting.I'm really sorry but I had a lot of trouble following that. In regards to some commentators talking about the 'tone' of the fallout series, I think a lot of it was in what might be called the 'monty python school' of humour. That is to say within the interaction of the prosperously literal and the plain ridiculous. So having something awful portrayed in all its gory detail (a man nailed to a cross) while something daft happens next to him (everyone sings @look on the brighter side of life"). My feeling is that this 'style' of humour has rather gone out of vogue for the younger millenials who are often rather prone to taking offence. Hence its removal or watering down from fallout 3 and especially 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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