Refound the Commonwealth Provisional Government

[CiderMuffin]

The BoS point with the military occupation makes literally no sense when the BoS aren't occupying any actual settlements, regularly trade with settlers and also protect settlements from raiders, ferals and super mutants. If anything the BoS and a government would sign a peace treaty especially since the BoS aren't there to stay. They're only there to fight the Institute and recover lost, unclaimed tech.

[coolphoton1234]

There are several hints(a holotape and a computer entry I think) that suggest that the institute was involved with the CPG but was utterly incompatible with the councle-based organization. Oxhorn has a video on it that explains/highlights the information (what little there is). What it boils down to is that the CPG was a representative democracy and the Institute is a totalitarian dictatorship, too forms of government that are mutually exclusive. So when the Institute got sick of the arguments inherent in a democracy they wiped it out.

 

The argument could be made that the only way for the CPG to be re-founded is for the MM to wipe out all other factions. the Institute for the aforementioned reason, the BOS because of there fanatical technopillia (They are not space marines. They are adeptus mecanicus with power armor) and the railroad because of there 'pro synth and to hell with the rest of you' ideology. On the other hand, once you have all the settlements under your thumb, you have personally supplanted the CPG with the MM. All you need to implement is a council/cabinet, taxes, and a sucsetion and you have a (theoretically) stable government. A government from the MM (with a Diamond City tie in) would probably be simpler to implement than a full fledged government spawned from the aether.

[CiderMuffin]

There are several hints(a holotape and a computer entry I think) that suggest that the institute was involved with the CPG but was utterly incompatible with the councle-based organization. Oxhorn has a video on it that explains/highlights the information (what little there is). What it boils down to is that the CPG was a representative democracy and the Institute is a totalitarian dictatorship, too forms of government that are mutually exclusive. So when the Institute got sick of the arguments inherent in a democracy they wiped it out.

 

The argument could be made that the only way for the CPG to be re-founded is for the MM to wipe out all other factions. the Institute for the aforementioned reason, the BOS because of there fanatical technopillia (They are not space marines. They are adeptus mecanicus with power armor) and the railroad because of there 'pro synth and to hell with the rest of you' ideology. On the other hand, once you have all the settlements under your thumb, you have personally supplanted the CPG with the MM. All you need to implement is a council/cabinet, taxes, and a sucsetion and you have a (theoretically) stable government. A government from the MM (with a Diamond City tie in) would probably be simpler to implement than a full fledged government spawned from the aether.

Really, that makes no sense. The Minutemen aren't hunting down synths nor have any plans to so the railroad wouldn't care, the BoS only go after unclaimed tech and as I stated before they would have a friendly relationship with settlers due to the fact that the BoS fights raiders, super mutants and ferals as well as use their vertibirds to protect trade caravans. At most the Institute would probably be a problem but even then it's all situational. The whole point of the minutemen is they aren't setting up a government or trying to go to war with the other factions, the point is they're a volunteer army that only goes after things that attack settlements.

[coolphoton1234]

 

There are several hints(a holotape and a computer entry I think) that suggest that the institute was involved with the CPG but was utterly incompatible with the councle-based organization. Oxhorn has a video on it that explains/highlights the information (what little there is). What it boils down to is that the CPG was a representative democracy and the Institute is a totalitarian dictatorship, too forms of government that are mutually exclusive. So when the Institute got sick of the arguments inherent in a democracy they wiped it out.

 

The argument could be made that the only way for the CPG to be re-founded is for the MM to wipe out all other factions. the Institute for the aforementioned reason, the BOS because of there fanatical technopillia (They are not space marines. They are adeptus mecanicus with power armor) and the railroad because of there 'pro synth and to hell with the rest of you' ideology. On the other hand, once you have all the settlements under your thumb, you have personally supplanted the CPG with the MM. All you need to implement is a council/cabinet, taxes, and a sucsetion and you have a (theoretically) stable government. A government from the MM (with a Diamond City tie in) would probably be simpler to implement than a full fledged government spawned from the aether.

Really, that makes no sense. The Minutemen aren't hunting down synths nor have any plans to so the railroad wouldn't care, the BoS only go after unclaimed tech and as I stated before they would have a friendly relationship with settlers due to the fact that the BoS fights raiders, super mutants and ferals as well as use their vertibirds to protect trade caravans. At most the Institute would probably be a problem but even then it's all situational. The whole point of the minutemen is they aren't setting up a government or trying to go to war with the other factions, the point is they're a volunteer army that only goes after things that attack settlements.

 

The railroad would probably be fine I agree... until an active CPG began a publicly demanded hunt for synths. And the public would. They are still terrified of them. And your description of the BOS forgets that they take any thing they want especially technology. There are even indications they crippled or wiped out Rivet City to build the Prydwen. There is also a radiant quest were you go force a settlement to give them food. Including MM settlements. The institute could posably be reshaped with enough time and effort, but the BOS, at least the ones on the airship, are almost universally xenophobic, techrophiliac, fanatics and, without the ability to supplant the leadership (this was cut), will need to be purged or they might decide some settlement has forbidden tech/something they just want and cripple the settlement or even wipe it out. They might even start wiping settlements out because of the population there. Like the Slog for example.

[CiderMuffin]

 

 

There are several hints(a holotape and a computer entry I think) that suggest that the institute was involved with the CPG but was utterly incompatible with the councle-based organization. Oxhorn has a video on it that explains/highlights the information (what little there is). What it boils down to is that the CPG was a representative democracy and the Institute is a totalitarian dictatorship, too forms of government that are mutually exclusive. So when the Institute got sick of the arguments inherent in a democracy they wiped it out.

 

The argument could be made that the only way for the CPG to be re-founded is for the MM to wipe out all other factions. the Institute for the aforementioned reason, the BOS because of there fanatical technopillia (They are not space marines. They are adeptus mecanicus with power armor) and the railroad because of there 'pro synth and to hell with the rest of you' ideology. On the other hand, once you have all the settlements under your thumb, you have personally supplanted the CPG with the MM. All you need to implement is a council/cabinet, taxes, and a sucsetion and you have a (theoretically) stable government. A government from the MM (with a Diamond City tie in) would probably be simpler to implement than a full fledged government spawned from the aether.

Really, that makes no sense. The Minutemen aren't hunting down synths nor have any plans to so the railroad wouldn't care, the BoS only go after unclaimed tech and as I stated before they would have a friendly relationship with settlers due to the fact that the BoS fights raiders, super mutants and ferals as well as use their vertibirds to protect trade caravans. At most the Institute would probably be a problem but even then it's all situational. The whole point of the minutemen is they aren't setting up a government or trying to go to war with the other factions, the point is they're a volunteer army that only goes after things that attack settlements.

 

The railroad would probably be fine I agree... until an active CPG began a publicly demanded hunt for synths. And the public would. They are still terrified of them. And your description of the BOS forgets that they take any thing they want especially technology. There are even indications they crippled or wiped out Rivet City to build the Prydwen. There is also a radiant quest were you go force a settlement to give them food. Including MM settlements. The institute could posably be reshaped with enough time and effort, but the BOS, at least the ones on the airship, are almost universally xenophobic, techrophiliac, fanatics and, without the ability to supplant the leadership (this was cut), will need to be purged or they might decide some settlement has forbidden tech/something they just want and cripple the settlement or even wipe it out. They might even start wiping settlements out because of the population there. Like the Slog for example.

 

Except people were mostly afraid of the institute and not the synths entirely. They don't trust synths but and the Institute is why the Railroad moves synths OUT of the Commonwealth, with new faces. It's also important to note that it's near impossible to tell who is a synth and who isn't without fatal surgeries.

 

The BoS in fact don't take whatever they want from whoever they want. This is never shown anywhere in the games besides non-canon endings. You say they "crippled" rivet city or wiped it out but you back that up with zero information and all we know is the BoS has an upgraded version of it's reactor. Nothing in game states the BoS stole it, the most likely case is the BoS scavenged it when Rivet city, a aircraft carrier filled with rust and is actively falling apart in Fallout 3 became to damaged to actually be lived in. The radiant quest you bring up can totally be ignored and the quest giver specifically states that it's off the books, you also ignore the fact that the quest can be completed by passive means like talking the settlers into (no force required) and buying the supplies. Teagan even states that most of the supplies the BoS gets is from trading with settlements which is also how the BoS got supplies in all the other games.

 

In the history of Fallout there isn't a single case of the BoS attacking passive settlements or demanding tech from people, even the outcasts in fallout 3 won't go hostile if you don't give up advanced tech and will pay in caps and ammo for any tech you bring them. This is how the BoS has always operated and it's the same situation in 4. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[coolphoton1234]

 

 

 

There are several hints(a holotape and a computer entry I think) that suggest that the institute was involved with the CPG but was utterly incompatible with the councle-based organization. Oxhorn has a video on it that explains/highlights the information (what little there is). What it boils down to is that the CPG was a representative democracy and the Institute is a totalitarian dictatorship, too forms of government that are mutually exclusive. So when the Institute got sick of the arguments inherent in a democracy they wiped it out.

 

The argument could be made that the only way for the CPG to be re-founded is for the MM to wipe out all other factions. the Institute for the aforementioned reason, the BOS because of there fanatical technopillia (They are not space marines. They are adeptus mecanicus with power armor) and the railroad because of there 'pro synth and to hell with the rest of you' ideology. On the other hand, once you have all the settlements under your thumb, you have personally supplanted the CPG with the MM. All you need to implement is a council/cabinet, taxes, and a sucsetion and you have a (theoretically) stable government. A government from the MM (with a Diamond City tie in) would probably be simpler to implement than a full fledged government spawned from the aether.

Really, that makes no sense. The Minutemen aren't hunting down synths nor have any plans to so the railroad wouldn't care, the BoS only go after unclaimed tech and as I stated before they would have a friendly relationship with settlers due to the fact that the BoS fights raiders, super mutants and ferals as well as use their vertibirds to protect trade caravans. At most the Institute would probably be a problem but even then it's all situational. The whole point of the minutemen is they aren't setting up a government or trying to go to war with the other factions, the point is they're a volunteer army that only goes after things that attack settlements.

 

The railroad would probably be fine I agree... until an active CPG began a publicly demanded hunt for synths. And the public would. They are still terrified of them. And your description of the BOS forgets that they take any thing they want especially technology. There are even indications they crippled or wiped out Rivet City to build the Prydwen. There is also a radiant quest were you go force a settlement to give them food. Including MM settlements. The institute could posably be reshaped with enough time and effort, but the BOS, at least the ones on the airship, are almost universally xenophobic, techrophiliac, fanatics and, without the ability to supplant the leadership (this was cut), will need to be purged or they might decide some settlement has forbidden tech/something they just want and cripple the settlement or even wipe it out. They might even start wiping settlements out because of the population there. Like the Slog for example.

 

Except people were mostly afraid of the institute and not the synths entirely. They don't trust synths but and the Institute is why the Railroad moves synths OUT of the Commonwealth, with new faces. It's also important to note that it's near impossible to tell who is a synth and who isn't without fatal surgeries.

 

The BoS in fact don't take whatever they want from whoever they want. This is never shown anywhere in the games besides non-canon endings. You say they "crippled" rivet city or wiped it out but you back that up with zero information and all we know is the BoS has an upgraded version of it's reactor. Nothing in game states the BoS stole it, the most likely case is the BoS scavenged it when Rivet city, a aircraft carrier filled with rust and is actively falling apart in Fallout 3 became to damaged to actually be lived in. The radiant quest you bring up can totally be ignored and the quest giver specifically states that it's off the books, you also ignore the fact that the quest can be completed by passive means like talking the settlers into (no force required) and buying the supplies. Teagan even states that most of the supplies the BoS gets is from trading with settlements which is also how the BoS got supplies in all the other games.

 

In the history of Fallout there isn't a single case of the BoS attacking passive settlements or demanding tech from people, even the outcasts in fallout 3 won't go hostile if you don't give up advanced tech and will pay in caps and ammo for any tech you bring them. This is how the BoS has always operated and it's the same situation in 4. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

I used the words 'hint' and 'indications'. The rest of it I got from the horse's mouth, as it were. You know... all those speeches and awkward xenoist commits that the BoS npcs say in passing, and the absolute loyalty to the elder and his personal brand of fanaticism. Remember, he managed to bring the outcasts back in to the fold and reestablish positive contact with the west coast 'horde it all and don't learn anything new' nutters, and you cant do something like that without convincing a lot of people you agree with them.

[Thundercatsffs]

So is there any words from the community about this yet? Would love to be able to contineu with the game after the set ending and make something that doesnt just feel like the same old stuff. Actually see some difference and get a new feel.

[hyperion9710]

actually, your idea is really great, and problem is: bethesda's storytelling is really s#*!, and it would need major changes of gameplay, storyline, etc, like as "Fallout 4: The Capital Wasteland", or "Fallout 4: New Vegas" mod project.

 

but if it actually started, i can give you some voice with shitty pronunciation. hope that this project exists.

[ImmortalAbsol]

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