NEXUS OR SEXUS? THIS IS THE PROBLEM

[DDProductions83]

There is something covertly dystopian in your use of the tag. I find it quite chilling, that the management of a public space is to be delegated to individuals in this way. To hear you, the subject should solve moral issues, choosing simply to remove the object from its perception. Instead of opening a discussion on the question of the limits that a public space as Nexus should be established here, you resolves the issue, saying, of concealing the problem? Do not you want a certain type of content of reality? Delete it, then it acts as if it were not there! But this is absurd.

Unfortunately things do not work as well, a public space must be managed making responsible choices. The government must govern, can not say to their citizens, to conceal the problems and act as if they were not there.

You use two measures about censorship. for images you have a sexual phobic attitude really exaggerated. while for the mods you are too permissive. There is a noticeable difference in attitude that has specific reasons. the reasons are clearly economic. You use the tag tool as an alibi to hide this very aconimical attitude. This is not drama, and I understand it perfectly and noteven I judge badly for this too, this is a sign of our times.

I understand very well that this site lives on modding, and that the modding of erotic nature has now reached a size that they can not be stemmed without suffering damage of revenue. This however you do not absolve to assume a role of government and focus on what should and should not be tolerated. The case "Mango follower" exceeds what would be considered tolerable. A mod of a follower can not show up with a background depicting a female character who was raped and abused, and at the same time shows her with too sexually explicit images. Why? Because the message passing is violent and sexist because it attests that the character liked to be raped and its nature of virtual doll turns it into a universal symbol of the female victim who likes to be a victim. It is a perverse message that should be defused or simply removing the background, or by removing the explicit images without necessarily remove the mod. But the problem as it's ethical, you can not solve arguing that just hide it to resolve the issue behind a tag.

If users are not able to grasp the perverse message but on the contrary they are captured, then the authorities must intervene. If much of the users are "children", then it must act the paternalistic authority. The tool of tags does not absolve you from your role.

The world is made of shades, not black or white. I find it quite ridiculous that someone to be referred to as "Reverend" or member of ISIS, simply because he put in discussion the management and the rules of your anarchist's paradise of modding.

I am one and the best designers of female faces here on the nexus, and are the best writer of the backgrounds here. In my stories there are also rapes and violence, but never in followers that I have done I took the liberty to violate certain rules. I never use certain means from peanuts to "sell" my work.

The filter you have to do it before me, and not delegate it to my initiative. Cease to tolerate vaginas in giant size, because this disqualified your work and disqualifies the work of us as modders.

However thanks for your time, your answers and clarifications, but I will not use the tag. sorry.

 

I love you, like seriously love you.

 

Part of the problem stems as well from the extremely vocal user base of the mods. As you can see mentioning any type of regulation over what is currently in place gets you attacked unreasonably. Try it on reddit and you will see 100 times worse. The "close your eyes and it disappears" mentality is great and all (See tagging) but something I have actually talked about with a lot of MA's is having it's own bloody section for adult mods.

 

Now I realize your problem stemmed from the borderline smut, which we see often and is often defended among these same lines, lines like "It's not there if you filter tags" or the "Legal over X age in England (Or w/e the term pg-13 nc17 etc)" Which is, I believe, the nexus' main stance on the matter and which will not change as they are a business with the sole dedication to mod proliferation.

 

Report if you think something is morally corrupt, and quite frankly I will keep pushing for a whole separate section for adult mods, they not only should have their place out of the initial public eye, but they also harm other decent mods place in hot-files etc because the 'not majority' of mod users all download smut mods en-mass pushing them to the hot files, if 20% of the user population downloads a mod it will inevitably get to the hotfiles, then the other 80% download 8 other mods of varying taste and yet people seem to think the 20% constitutes the grand majority of users and that their tastes should be represented. The porn and smut down-loaders band together and create a unrealistic picture of the community unfortunately. One we get to deal with in different ways (See Hothtrooper44's interview, was kinda funny and kinda sad at the same time)

[Druuler]

I was going to mention using the Report feature if you found anything of the mods here to be inappropriate, against the ToS, or possibly in violation of laws, but Darren beat me to it. Also, with his mentioning the inclusion of a separate section for adult mods (which I have to admit, I would be in favour of), as well as Thandal's reminding us of the Supporter's Image Share and its "age gate", I have to wonder why such controls have not been implemented on the adult mods? We do not want the "kiddies" to see naughty pictures, but it is alright for them to have access to the naughty mods? Is it just me, or does anyone else think that this is a double standard?

[chucksteel]

Damn! I agree with Daren! What's the world coming to?

 

Sorry man but I hole heartedly agree with you on your last comment I just had to throw in a little rib. :tongue:

 

Edit: I've also filtered all the adult content, CBBE and related tags. Not because I'm a prude I'm quite far from it and don't have a wife to hide my porn collection from. I just got sick of seeing GIANT COOKIES every time I opened this website.

Edited February 24, 2016 by chucksteel

[DDProductions83]

Damn! I agree with Daren! What's the world coming to?

 

Sorry man but I hole heartedly agree with you on your last comment I just had to throw in a little rib. :tongue:

 

Lol I can make sense, sometimes.

 

But it all boils down to what the nexus/robin is willing to do. There is work involved in changing how the structure of the front page etc is, and it's also still a business that needs to cater to the user. Most of us users who would like this feature tend to stay quiet and have a 'live and let live' mentality in regards to the smut mods etc, while the reverse is in NO WAY true at all. Talk about censoring it for a second, in any conceivable way, and they unify faster than flys on s**t. Which means it's a potential massive publicity fail for nexus, and bear in mind while I believe they are in no way the majority, even 20% is flipping huge in terms of a user base.

 

No matter what the nexus does or their stance, they are in a position that the media is in with Trump, they created a monster they have to keep perpetuating for their ratings... :)

[Lisnpuppy]

I was going to mention using the Report feature if you found anything of the mods here to be inappropriate, against the ToS, or possibly in violation of laws, but Darren beat me to it. Also, with his mentioning the inclusion of a separate section for adult mods (which I have to admit, I would be in favour of), as well as Thandal's reminding us of the Supporter's Image Share and its "age gate", I have to wonder why such controls have not been implemented on the adult mods? We do not want the "kiddies" to see naughty pictures, but it is alright for them to have access to the naughty mods? Is it just me, or does anyone else think that this is a double standard?

 

It is the mechanism that is the issue, I think. You are supposed to agree that you are 18 and older for the adult mods (when you go an enable them as I believe they are disabled by default? Someone tell me it has been many moons ago) but as we can not pay gate the mods then the adult is kind of a honor code that the images do not have to be. Can't really make an adult section Premium or Supporter because that pay gates mods.

 

So that leaves the 1) honor code 2) tags being applied properly 3) the adult filter 4) the tags for further filtering

 

Asking a site that already has several mechanisms in place to filter content to make a duplicate site for adult only content is...problematic. What may be a better alternative is to advertise the filtering abilities better. Offer perhaps a button (not unlike the images) for a non-adult hot files vs a adult hot files?

[DDProductions83]

 

I was going to mention using the Report feature if you found anything of the mods here to be inappropriate, against the ToS, or possibly in violation of laws, but Darren beat me to it. Also, with his mentioning the inclusion of a separate section for adult mods (which I have to admit, I would be in favour of), as well as Thandal's reminding us of the Supporter's Image Share and its "age gate", I have to wonder why such controls have not been implemented on the adult mods? We do not want the "kiddies" to see naughty pictures, but it is alright for them to have access to the naughty mods? Is it just me, or does anyone else think that this is a double standard?

 

It is the mechanism that is the issue, I think. You are supposed to agree that you are 18 and older for the adult mods (when you go an enable them as I believe they are disabled by default? Someone tell me it has been many moons ago) but as we can not pay gate the mods then the adult is kind of a honor code that the images do not have to be. Can't really make an adult section Premium or Supporter because that pay gates mods.

 

So that leaves the 1) honor code 2) tags being applied properly 3) the adult filter 4) the tags for further filtering

 

Asking a site that already has several mechanisms in place to filter content to make a duplicate site for adult only content is...problematic. What may be a better alternative is to advertise the filtering abilities better. Offer perhaps a button (not unlike the images) for a non-adult hot files vs a adult hot files?

 

 

You also have a issue that if I release a mod with the word "f*#@" in it multiple times in the dialogue etc, that it should fall under the adult tag, which is unfair to me or anyone who is making a M rated mod for a M rated game. I think the main OP issue was with the borderline nature of the mod in question, much like child porn it was treading on a very thin line. But it exacerbates the overall issue, a lot of us as mod authors tend to not filter anything, I like to see if something new and innovative comes around, be it adult or otherwise.

 

Otherwise ya the tagging could do a lot, lot of people do not tag correctly or know about the tag filtering as well. But I still think a separate section for the mods would be good but it would require work, I just will not filter 'adult' when adult can refer to a lot of non-smut mods as well. We could add more tags, or just have your own basic pron section. Seems like the better bet is the second one for the users, whereas the first one is the better bet in terms of money out the door for a business.

[Lisnpuppy]

Darren: By sep section do you mean Catergory? Or a separate site like Skyrim Adult mods and all the categories normally present but for adult mods?

[DDProductions83]

Darren: By sep section do you mean Catergory? Or a separate site like Skyrim Adult mods and all the categories normally present but for adult mods?

 

Option two, which is why i think it will never happen because of the $ to do it (Which honestly shouldn't be that bloody much it's same coding/framework just a diff header etc)

[chucksteel]

I also have to say the filter and tag system is not the cure all for this problem. As stated above I now filter "Adult", "CBBE" and several other tags because I got sick of seeing oversized boobs, COOKIES and whatnot on the front page. If I need a porn fix well I can find a site for that. :tongue:

 

I went to look for a non-adult mod by Elianora, I couldn't find it and I thought that was odd. Turns out it used CBBE and the filter was blocking it. :wallbash:

 

That's just one example of how the Tag system is flawed.

Edited February 24, 2016 by chucksteel

[Oubliette]

The vast majority of people on this site I've seen be overly vocal about adult mods and their accessibility have been people who disliked them - not the other way around.

 

And no I don't think pointing that out is an "unreasonable attack" or that the previous posters who don't see a need for change deserve to be described as such either.