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The vast majority of people on this site I've seen be overly vocal about adult mods and their accessibility have been people who disliked them - not the other way around.

 

And no I don't think pointing that out is an "unreasonable attack" or that the previous posters who don't see a need for change deserve to be described as such either.

 

He referred to the man as ISIS and reverend.

 

And the vast majority of unreasonable attacks occur offsite, like I said if you cared to read and not skim. Nexus moderators do their job well. But the vast majority of attacks are from unreasonable people and they are indeed the majority. Sorry if simple maths are hard. Anybody who brings this up is flamed to death and told to basically shove their hands over their eyes and tag it etc etc and move on if they are not going to use it. Bring it up offsite and you are cussed out, degraded, called names, etc etc by a MAJORITY of people, that is unreasonable and I stand by what I said wholeheartedly.

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I myself have gotten Unreasonably attacked by some of those people for using classic Art Deco nude paintings in my mod DCInteriors. they were placed in a cell that was a brothel (Pre-War) I wasn't turning every billboard into a porn show.

 

My opinion was that it was appropriate for the story I was trying to tell with the interior.

 

I'm by no means trying to say that every mod that has a little nudity should be classed as adult but the ones that are obviously banking on the fact that "SEX SELLS" should be. You could say I have a double standard if you like but, none of my mods had boobs in them just for BOOB sake! :dance:

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Well, Darren you are probably right about the money and I don't know how much it would take to basically make a duplicate of each site, but I would think it would be a bit more than you are thinking. Regardless lets just assume that is a no go for the foreseeable future as even if it is do-able it would take some time.

 

Now, no tags are not going to fix everything. People don't use them, they block people from using them (people like to troll the file tags too, go figure) and some people maybe have a language barrier. Personally I don't think you should be able to upload a file without at least marking it adult or non-adult and then at least one file filter category. I have stated something like this before and about got my head shot off for "making mod authors do things they shouldn't have to do" or some such. I see proper tagging as helping mod authors get their content found all the more easy not just weeding content out. I also don't think a button click or two is asking a great deal.

 

Many folks don't know we have a tag/filter system. They don't know there is an advanced search feature. I am not sure how to make these things more known. We already throw a ton of things at them. Ads for non-supporters/premiums, donation reminders, endorsement reminders, you need to download this file before you download mine, etc etc and etc.

 

So what can we do, reasonably, that isn't creating duplicate sites, to make the file tag and filter system better, more widely known and used and better? Are there Terms of Service language changes that need made to make certain things more clear?

 

Now one thing that was mentioned was adult images in non-adult mod pages. This should not happen but it does. If you see this you need to report it. The author should either take the image down or decide to make the mod adult. Yes it seems a bit one or the other and it is. There is no reason I can see that a non-adult mod would need a adult image to showcase it. If it is a nice sword, I don't see why someones bare behind would showcase it more than say, a perfectly clad behind. If someone can show me a reason I will gladly help argue your point with the moderators.

 

So, I think you all can see where I am going here. Instead of getting in a pissing contest and throwing insults or crying at perceived injustices, lets try to work together and see if we can make some improvements here. Maybe it won't be perfect or make everyone completely happy, but it can be an improvement and if we can show a place we can work from, show that we can listen and not just hurl insults...well lets give it a try. I am willing to put aside my feelings to the subject and work toward something middle ground here.

 

Anyone with me?

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Well, Darren you are probably right about the money and I don't know how much it would take to basically make a duplicate of each site, but I would think it would be a bit more than you are thinking. Regardless lets just assume that is a no go for the foreseeable future as even if it is do-able it would take some time.

 

Now, no tags are not going to fix everything. People don't use them, they block people from using them (people like to troll the file tags too, go figure) and some people maybe have a language barrier. Personally I don't think you should be able to upload a file without at least marking it adult or non-adult and then at least one file filter category. I have stated something like this before and about got my head shot off for "making mod authors do things they shouldn't have to do" or some such. I see proper tagging as helping mod authors get their content found all the more easy not just weeding content out. I also don't think a button click or two is asking a great deal.

 

Many folks don't know we have a tag/filter system. They don't know there is an advanced search feature. I am not sure how to make these things more known. We already throw a ton of things at them. Ads for non-supporters/premiums, donation reminders, endorsement reminders, you need to download this file before you download mine, etc etc and etc.

 

So what can we do, reasonably, that isn't creating duplicate sites, to make the file tag and filter system better, more widely known and used and better? Are there Terms of Service language changes that need made to make certain things more clear?

 

Now one thing that was mentioned was adult images in non-adult mod pages. This should not happen but it does. If you see this you need to report it. The author should either take the image down or decide to make the mod adult. Yes it seems a bit one or the other and it is. There is no reason I can see that a non-adult mod would need a adult image to showcase it. If it is a nice sword, I don't see why someones bare behind would showcase it more than say, a perfectly clad behind. If someone can show me a reason I will gladly help argue your point with the moderators.

 

So, I think you all can see where I am going here. Instead of getting in a pissing content and throwing insults or crying at perceived injustices, lets try to work together and see if we can make some improvements here. Maybe it won't be perfect or make everyone completely happy, but it can be an improvement and if we can show a place we can work from, show that we can listen and not just hurl insults...well lets give it a try. I am willing to put aside my feelings to the subject and work toward something middle ground here.

 

Anyone with me?

It's less than you think and more than I think most likely. It's not a site dupe as much as just a tag swap and a few fun buttons :P

 

But we already have things that wont let us hit the "Next' button when filling out a mod page description for the first time, why not have one that tags as 'Adult sex sells" "Adult (IE non sex related)" and "Non-adult"

 

THAT would be super easy, then it just tags the file appropriately. I would be ok filtering adult if there was a differentiation between adult sex and adult violence/language. As of now it's basically classing all adult into one category, even if I don't want the "gay midget horse pron" it's lumped in with my "Mormon approved missionary only between whites" pron.

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I'm with you, I gave examples of why the Tag system sometimes fails (I blocked CBBE because much of it is adult) But, some authors use it in other ways. I told my story of being attacked because I had some nude paintings in an interior to tell a story. (No I did not showcase the paintings they were in one interior because it was meant to be a Red Light establishment)

 

I'm just kind of getting sick of having Boobs that would make a Barbie doll say "How can you even stand up right with those puppies?" shoved in my face.

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I went to look for a non-adult mod by Elianora, I couldn't find it and I thought that was odd. Turns out it used CBBE and the filter was blocking it. :wallbash:

 

 

I don't see how that is "flawed" really. I mean, if one of her clothing mods uses CBBE, then it makes sense that it's tagged as such. Unless you mean we need some "CBBE - Skimpy" and "CBBE - Non-Skimpy" tags?

 

Also, GIANT COOKIES!!

 

 

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62763/1530403-cookie.jpg

 

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It is the mechanism that is the issue, I think. You are supposed to agree that you are 18 and older for the adult mods (when you go an enable them as I believe they are disabled by default? Someone tell me it has been many moons ago) but as we can not pay gate the mods then the adult is kind of a honor code that the images do not have to be. Can't really make an adult section Premium or Supporter because that pay gates mods.

 

So that leaves the 1) honor code 2) tags being applied properly 3) the adult filter 4) the tags for further filtering

I think that the Honor System is abused more than it is honored, especially since it is necessary to have the two separate Image Shares for each of the games. Using a Premium or Supporter membership to help cut down on (not eliminate) the under-age access would be helpful, but yeah, it would then be considered paying for mods. :/

 

 

You also have a issue that if I release a mod with the word "f***" in it multiple times in the dialogue etc, that it should fall under the adult tag, which is unfair to me or anyone who is making a M rated mod for a M rated game.

Yeah, I get that. When I was still doing my Fallout 3 comic, I was tagging every upload as Adult. I was basically using the rules for rating movies and games for doing so, despite there not being any nudity or even skimpy/sexy outfits used (for the most part). I was just covering by butt for "language, adult situations, and the use of tobacco, alcohol and drugs". Not every upload needed to be tagged that way, but I did not see the point of letting people have access to some parts of the story, and not others.

 

 

I think the main OP issue was with the borderline nature of the mod in question, much like child porn it was treading on a very thin line.

Agreed. I am not familiar with the mod in question, but if the description is accurate (and I am not saying it is not), then I would have found its existence on the Nexus to be questionable myself, and would have reported it.

 

Edit: That is one GIGANTIC cookie, Jokerine! O.O

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I personally don't care about adult mods, whatever turns your prepubescent or sexually deprived crank is fine with me.

 

It's not someone elses job to police *you* either. The mechanisms are in place, if they are flawed then suggest ways they can be fixed rather than complaining or pointing fingers.

 

Just to also play devils advocate, full nudity is illegal in some countries no matter your age, like Japan.

 

Of course it's a bit lax because of the revenue generated, that's a no brainer there.

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I went to look for a non-adult mod by Elianora, I couldn't find it and I thought that was odd. Turns out it used CBBE and the filter was blocking it. :wallbash:

 

 

I don't see how that is "flawed" really. I mean, if one of her clothing mods uses CBBE, then it makes sense that it's tagged as such. Unless you mean we need some "CBBE - Skimpy" and "CBBE - Non-Skimpy" tags?

 

Also, GIANT COOKIES!!

 

 

They are not needed, there is already skimpy/nudity tags etc, that would cover cbbe based stuff, non cbbe based stuff and there is also a bodyslide preset tag for different cbbe body shape mods.

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