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CTD Jorrvaskr + MO confusion - Please Help?


nomaroos

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I've been Googling this and reading forum post after forum post for days and for hours at a time. I've got nothing helpful so far. Seems like the more 'help' I get, the worse things get.

 

I recently started using Mod Organizer (2-3 weeks ago I think). I thought I was getting the hang of it but suddenly, every time I try to enter Jorrvaskr my game CTD after hitting the loading screen. I tried uninstalling any recently added mods, doing clean saves, running the save game cleaner, checking my load order with loot and manually to the best of my ability; It still crashes every time I try to enter Jorrvaskr.

 

Early last night, I was able to just reload the game and it would get as far as letting me enter Jorrvaskr but would be stuck on a weird screen (loading screen smoke or something like that), and I could blindly save the game, reload the save inside Jorrvaskr and continue playing without any further issues. An hour later, it wouldn't load that far anymore. This afternoon, still no good. LEAVING Jorrvaskr isn't a problem. Entering the main hall from the basement quarters area isn't a problem. It's just entering the main hall from Whiterun. I even tried moving my player TO Farkas with the console. CTD.

 

2nd: Another weird issue that may be related, after playing for 'so long' (could be an hour, could be 3), the game will randomly stop loading textures: An NPC will run by with black arms and body/neck. The chicken's nest will be purple. My bow will suddenly be purple and missing the textures. Or random clothes will stop loading right: Novice Necromancer A has clothing textures, but the robes on Novice Necromancer B are black, no texture, just a black void shaped vaguely like the robes s/he's wearing. Saving, exiting and reloading the game solves this for a good while typically.

 

3rd, and this may or may not be even remotely related: I keep having a problem with Campfire and Frostfall plugins ending up in the Overwrite folder. I've tried putting them everywhere conceivable. I've even created a new mod from just those files and that seemed to really screw things up. (My character would get stuck trying to build a fire, the only fix was to move back into first person, click the fire again and select 'Use' again, and it would replay the 'crouching to use the fire' animation and the finally enter the fire building menu correctly. When I removed that new Plug-ins mod I created, let the game recreate those plug-ins (and put them back into the Overwrite folder), then moved them into their respective mods, that glitched stopped. However, those files WILL eventually end up back in the Overwrite folder again because that's what happens ever damn time.

 

I'm getting really frustrated with this and with MO. At least with NMM, I knew what files were overwritten and what parts of what mods were active and what weren't. It's like my MO is possessed, like it randomly decides that it wants to use the overwritten files instead or something.

 

Oh, LASTLY: I have tried S.T.E.P., I've gone through all the Skyrim Speed and Stability Tweaks tutorials, ENBoost,...blah blah, blah... All of those effed things up worse. Sheson's patch thing is obsolete thanks to SKSE's latest update(s). It's as if none of those are up to date with the current build of MO (which seems to have just updated and I hate the change), SKSE, Windows 10, DirectX...ANY of that.

Last one I tried, (and I've done these before and had them work correctly, been at this modding thing since 2013, I'm not a pro but not a complete noob either), but the last one I tried left my Skyrim loading all pixelated and tiny; I could hardly read the Start Game options. It looked like a computer game from 1986! All I did was use the ENB speed and stability hack/patch/guide thing, whatever it's called (sorry, I have had a migraine for legitimately, like 4-5 months), and when I retraced my steps back to undo it all, following the guide again, it didn't fix the problem. I searched for the messed up settings for 2 hours before I gave up, decided my entire game set-up was just hosed and reinstalled everything from scratch. Even Steam! Now, I have a new SSD drive, fresh install of Windows 10, very light system usage load, core unparking program, SKSE ini tweaks, clean file folder setup, have all the restrictions/allowances sorted out... This rig isn't Top of the Line but it defaults to Ultra High settings for game play. I have at least 3G of VRAM. Momory blocks for the game have been adjusted correctly and in the correct (far as I can tell according to all the tutorials) ini file. Oh, and my play-through with Vilja, added to all this stuff (90-some active mods), is basically flawless. I even had a mod build running an ENB last week, before I overhauled everything, and aside from FPS loss, it was also flawless, with MO, not NMM. I'm utterly at a loss.

 

I never had this kind of trouble with NMM. *sigh* But I love the clean, separate profiles made possible by MO. I just can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong and all the help topics seem to be from 2012-2014 and useless. Oh, OR they tell you to turn on Papyrus logging and check those logs. Also useless. I know better than that.

Ugh. Here's my mod list/order, just for S&Gs. I MUST be doing something wrong.

Help would be hugely appreciated!

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Campfire.esm
7 7 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
8 8 ApachiiHair.esm
9 9 ApachiiHairFemales.esm
10 a AzarHair.esm
11 b UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
12 c HighResTexturePack01.esp
13 d HighResTexturePack02.esp
14 e HighResTexturePack03.esp
15 f Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
16 10 Cutting Room Floor.esp
17 11 SkyUI.esp
18 12 Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp
19 13 more plants all extra.esp
20 14 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
21 15 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
22 16 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
23 17 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
24 18 aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
25 19 Cloaks.esp
26 1a Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
27 1b 1nivWICCloaks.esp
28 1c Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
29 1d Run For Your Lives.esp
30 1e SMIM-Merged-All.esp
31 1f UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
32 20 Frostfall.esp
33 21 FalmerBanes Alchemist Shack Skyrim Version.esp
34 22 Hunterborn.esp
35 23 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
36 24 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
37 25 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
38 26 WetandCold.esp
39 27 WetandCold - Ashes.esp
40 28 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
41 29 TrueStorms.esp
42 2a TrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.esp
43 2b mintylightningmod.esp
44 2c MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
45 2d 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
46 2e When Vampires Attack.esp
47 2f Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
48 30 moveit.esp
49 31 RaceMenu.esp
50 32 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
51 33 USLEEPSurvivalModPatch.esp
Hunterborn_CACO_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
52 34 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
53 35 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_LanternsAndCandles-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_Requiem-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp
54 36 Bijin Wives.esp
55 37 Dark Brotherhood - Shrouded Armor Overhaul.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
56 38 UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp
57 39 ElvenRogueArmor.esp
58 3a zz_GDRAHoods.esp
59 3b GDZZJJDH.esp
60 3c nordicrangerarmor.esp
61 3d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
62 3e The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
63 3f Babette.esp
64 40 RiverwoodHuntingCabin.esp
65 41 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
66 42 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
67 43 Hedge Mage Armor.esp
68 44 ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
69 45 KS Hairdo's.esp
70 46 RaceMenuMimic.esp
71 47 Convenient Horses.esp
72 48 Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp
73 49 female mannequins.esp
74 4a female mannequins in homes.esp
75 4b AMatterOfTime.esp
76 4c SleekSteel_StandAlone.esp
77 4d Convenient Horse Herding.esp
78 4e TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
Glass Variants.esp
79 4f Bijin NPCs.esp
80 50 Serana.esp
81 51 Valerica.esp
82 52 SGEyebrows.esp
83 53 Brows.esp
84 54 FreckleMania.esp
85 55 BHWarPaints.esp
86 56 Armored Circlets.esp
87 57 Hedge Mage Armor - Craftable Module.esp
88 58 Hedge Mage Armor - Bonus Without Hood.esp
89 59 RDO - UFO v1.2j.b15 Patch.esp
90 5a RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
91 5b Brothers.esp
92 5c Bijin Warmaidens.esp
93 5d RLO - Dungeons for ELnFX.esp
94 5e RLO - Illuminated Spells for ELnFX.esp
95 5f RLO - Major City Interiors for ELnFX.esp
96 60 RLO - Minor Cities & Town Interiors for ELnFX.esp

 

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Yikes. That's a ton of problems. First off, the campfire and frostfall esps. Are you editing them either with the CK or TES5Edit? Are you running a proccer program of some type? Are there in your Skyrim/data folder? MO only puts created or edited files in the overwrite folder, so they must be getting edited somehow. My guess is that's the source of a lot of your problems.

 

The other thing I'd recommend is that you use TES5edit to identify conflicts. If two files are conflict in the WhiterunJorrvaskr cell, then that's probably your problem. If not... well, try to patch all the conflicts you can or rearrange conflicting esps and see what happens.

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