Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting guide

[dubiousintent]

This thread is for discussion of the contents of the guide in the title.

 

Please start a new thread in the "Technical Support" section of the forum and provide ALL the information requested in the wiki "How to ask for help" article. Don't forget to identify things that do not appear in the "load order", such as if you are using the FNV4GB Patch, NVSE and it's related plugins, texture replacements (specifically their larger image sizes: 1024x1024, etc.), and "post-processors" like ENB or SweetFX.

* See "How to markup images (etc) in forum posts and comments" article for how to use "Spoiler tags".

We REALLY need to see your sorted "load order" as produced by "LOOT"; to include the main game and DLC files. With modded games its the sequence, not merely the list of mods, which is the cause of many problems. LOOT's sort gives a good first approximation, correcting the most obvious issues and is sufficient for most players. You can make minor adjustments to the order and tell LOOT how to remember them. It's in the documentation under "Metadata". Instructions on how to copy it's list for posting are in the "How to ask for help" article, and "Checklist Item #11' entry in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

However, as you appear to be crashing before you even get to create a new character, it's probably something covered in the 'Vanilla "Load Order"' entry in the 'First Timer Advice' section; or 'Common Game Problems' section, of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

-Dubious-

[dubiousintent]

Recent additions since 05 Jun 2018:
* Added 'Issue: Regional (non English) version has different FormIDs' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue: Flash Bang Bug (Combat skills reduced to zero)' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue: Naked NPCs (missing armor or inventory)'
* Added 'Issue: Invisible Companion' to the "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: Missing textures/walls' to the "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: Gazing in certain directions causes a "freeze"' to "Control" section
* Added 'Issue: Incomplete save game load' to "Starting problems" section.
* Added 'Issue: (Honest Hearts) Can't return to Zion' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue: WIN10 Freezes/Hangs and you can't use Task Manager to kill the process' to "CTDs" section.
* Added 'Issue: System Network configuration' to "Peformance" section.
* Added 'Issue: Interior cell portions not visible' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: Body Replacer - In-game doesn't look quite like the author's images' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: Regional Non-English language version with different language audio?' to "Performance" section.
* Added 'Issue: SOUND - Combat causes infinite loop sound' to "Performance" section.
* Added 'Issue: Aiming - Weapon stays centered after releasing RMB' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: NPCs making annoying SHHHH sound and hand gesture' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: Hi-Rez Texture mod causes CTD' to "CTDs" section.
* Added 'Refs: Towards Game Stability' section.
* Added 'Issue: Body Replacer - FNV Redesigned 3 (FNVR3) and Qwinn's Refined FNV Redesigned 3 (QRNVR3)' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: FOMM can not install mods anymore' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue: TTW Performance Guide abstract' to "Performance" section.
* Added 'Issue: Have to remap some essential default key assignments' to "Control" section.
* Added 'Issue: (Old World Blues) Quest "Get your brain back!" bug' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue: (MOD - NVInteriors) Drunken Gnomes Quest can't be completed' to "Misc" section.

-Dubious-

[TedWiz]

Hello

For the Windows 10 unable to alt-tab out of a frozen game, I do an alt-tab then immediately follow with a windows key-tab and hold that combo down for a couple of seconds, which brings up the option of opening a second desktop. The second desktop can be used to open up the task manager (control-alt-delete) to end the fallout session; also provides some info on memory, etc. At least it works for me :-)

Edited October 29, 2019 by TedWiz

[dubiousintent]

<Alt+Tab> is a "switch focus to another running process" function in previous versions of Windows (prior to "multiple desktops", at least in my experience) which requires you have some other application (such as the "Windows/File Explorer" or Notepad, etc.) also be open so there is another running program to switch to. With most games you also need to be running in "Windowed" mode instead of "Full Screen" (which traps the cursor to that "screen"), though the "Fake Full Screen Window" mode works as well.

 

If you do not have another running app to switch to, then you might as well go straight to <Ctrl+Alt+Del> to bring up the Task Manager to kill the game "process tree".

 

I appreciate the information about how Win10 can bring up another desktop instead with that key combo.

 

The implication is that you think this information would be useful to add to the wiki. As it is basic Windows functionality, I had not considered it specifically pertinent to the game. If it were to be added, I would place it in the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article instead of "Troubleshooting". Unless you have some other placement to suggest?

 

I invite other comments on the desirability of including this information.

 

-Dubious-

[windowsground]

https://windowsground.com/what-is-windows-prefetch-in-windows-10/

[dubiousintent]

Thank you for the "Prefetch" explanation link. Nothing new compared to the article referenced in "Issue - Game freezing on launch after re-install", but I linked it as well for those desiring only a quick and basic understanding explicitly referring to Win10.

 

Recent additions since 31 Dec 2018:
* Added 'Issue: (Mod - ATTT), WRP, and WMIM combatibility' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue: Win10 Blurry/small text/icons' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue: Remove active effects' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue: (IMPACT) FPS drop/stutter on semi-auto hits' to "Misc" section.
* Added "Issue - Animation Clipping" to "Graphics" section.
* Added "Issue - DLC Honest Hearts - Cannot kill Salt-Upon-Wounds" to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Female Character strafing left modelling glitch' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - Uninstall Fallout New California ''FNC'' aka ''FONC''' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Mysterious building' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Mouse not working after fast travel' to "Control Problems" section.
* Added 'Issue - ''File exists'' error attempting to install mod' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - SOUND - Combat causes audio desync' to "Performance" section.
* Added 'Issue - DLC Dead Money - Cannot kill or dismember ''Ghost People''' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - DLC Honest Hearts - Joshua Graham Narrows Dialogue not triggering' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - GECK crashes upon loading an exterior cell' to "GECK Common Problems" section.
* Added 'Issue - FNC - no option to play FNC instead of FNV' to the "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - DLC Old World Blues - Hoarder Trait with PN Sprint is broken' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - DLC Old World Blues / Lonesome Road - SleepDeprevation forced to 275' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - DLC Lonesome Road - Freeze in Collapsed Overpass Tunnel' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Followers not moving or Navmesh Problems' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Record conflicts in xEdit aka FNVEdit' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Chinese Assault Rifle Textures are wonky' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - Obnoxious Companion A**hole' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Change the Main Menu background image' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Game freezing on launch after re-install' to "Starting Problems" section.
* Added 'Issue - Corpse hanging or floating' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - TTW Centaur Face distortion' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - Fisheye lens effect in 3rd Person' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - First Person camera bug wearing Riot Armor family of gear' to "Graphics" section.

-Dubious-

[dubiousintent]

Very few new entries, indicating most "common" conflicts have been identified. But ... there is always something new.

 

Recent additions since 31 Dec 2019:
* Added 'Issue - All NPCs have over-ridden dialogue' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Broken Square/Hit Indicator' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - MAIN - Goodsprings quest ''Ghost Town Gunfight'' - Joe Cobb explodes' to the "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Visual special effect (IMOD) stuck' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - Authority Glasses worn weirdly' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - MAIN - Weapon Damage displayed for other weapons is unexpected' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - All Scripts Recompiled Warning' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Permanent Limp' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - Bobbing NPCs' to "Graphics" section.
* Added 'Issue - Dying with red TMP displayed' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - Mouse sensitivity reduced' to "Performance" section.
* Added 'Issue - Lighting - Exteriors at night' to "Graphics" section.* Added 'Issue - SOUND - Music Licenses and Sources' to "Misc" section.
* Added 'Issue - ZOOM Controls' to "Controls" section.
* Added 'Issue - Controls - GamePad Support missing' to "Controls" section.

-Dubious-