Any chance I didn't break this play through beyond repair?

[tongwa]

I believe my game may be irretrievably broken, and I'm hoping, beyond hope, that someone might proffer insights to the contrary.

I'm presently in my 3rd play through of SSE with over 565 hrs of game play on a heavily modded (199 installed, 197 active) play through. This entire post is based on the fact that I am trying to complete quests on the other DLC since I believe I finished the questline with Alduin and Paarthurnax.

In the last 65 hours I have begun to experience serious gameplay issues.

In addition to the issues I will elaborate on here, I also encountered some follower and responsive AI issues, but those seem to be under control..

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I attempted the Diplomatic Immunity quest on the Thalmor embassy. I could not proceed beyond the point where I am to give Delphine my gear. Game freeze. Old issue with lots of info on the forums. I have had all major patches installed from the beginning. I emptied my inventory of all inventory especially modded.. all books, notes, journals that i could drop/shelve.. stored all my food and ingredients.. stored all scrolls.. Then changed into common clothes.. handed off the vivid weathers book to a follower.. dropped the auto sorting fish on the floor of my bedroom.. the 20 sawn logs on the floor via console (a pair of boots?) and still a no-go.

After hours of searching, I used a solution involving console commands and setstage to get through the various steps of the Thalmor quest until I had my gear back.. which worked out fine until I got into the interrogation area where an NPC was missing as was his voiced dialogue. While I was given credit for completing the quest, all the setstages and missing NPC made it an empty 'victory'.

Then I added a follower or 2 (I'm a collector of followers) and discovered that earlier followers I had added briefly to 'get them out of my way' had added them to my follower total and decreased my total follower list which was now maxed. Very shortly thereafter, a patch was released which permitted the followers in AFT to go to 64 from whatever it had been (32?) tho I only had around 21-23 including Meeko as active followers. So I installed a mod/patch to increase the follower limit to 64. I had initially used wrye bash to tweak the ini of max followers to 64 when I added the boost patch.

I believe I then finished the questline to get the enhanced Dwarven crossbow without issue.

I then, very recently, became aware that I had an instance of AFT which wasn't by the same modder who had put up the follower boost for the mod by the same name. This was close to my 550 hr mark.

After that I began working on the main questline again (I think). That is the one which ends with the encounter with Alduin. I think I had 3 quests to finish to complete the questline and for all of them I kept running into situations where all AI would stop working / all action would cease at certain points (I could still run around and shout clear skies) so I was again forced to setstage through the last few stages of each quest.

I then became aware that the AFT I had and the AFT for which the follower boost was issued had slightly differing file formats. I uninstalled the first AFT mod & boost patch, then reinstalled the same from the mod where boost patch was provided by same author. I also reinstalled an updated version of USSEP which had also been recently issued.. After setting my load order (which I did by just placing them where LOOT had the earlier mods before, I ran wrye bash (making sure to untick the 4 plugins which specify no merge) and ran FNIS. It was then I was met with a notification that there were dirty mods (I had cleaned all dirty mods ages ago and there had been none until then except the 51 dragonborn or dawnguard references which normally persist.). I ran SSEEdit to clean the 3-4 affected files.

I then loaded most recent save and, when I discovered I could still play, decided again to clear my journal of quests and chose a Solstheim quest. Kill General Falx. I returned to Snow Elf Palace and retrieved Serana who would now follow me after the AFT mod updates.. completing the quest without issue. I went back to Raven Rock and decided to head to Miraak's temple. I fast traveled to the abandoned shack intent on hoofing it to the temple. As soon as I change cells.. CTD. So I went to another spot where I was to continue the served cold quest and killed a couple NPCs no prob. I decided to try heading to the temple from the South and proceeded North.. soon thereafter.. CTD.

So, there you have it. I'm trying to get to Miraak's Temple and can't get anywhere near it or I CTD.

My buffered cells loading is 36 (so that means my uGrids are 5 if I understand correctly).. I haven't messed with any of that directly. I was contemplating switching my buffered cells to 24/25(?) in the ini to get through the content (since I read that that has worked for some people with less than stellar rigs.., but it was made clear that the change would forever make my save game fixed at this lower resolution setting. While my PC is average, I had been running fine with some shadow settings at Ultra and most others at high. Now, even with all high, CTD.

PC Specs

Phenom II x6 1055t (Stock)

GTX 970 (No boost)

8GB 1600 DDR3 (stock)

Win10

250GB SSD (with all game files local, not in prog files)

1TB Storage HDD

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I have no idea how to run the papyrus thing... I haven't updated to most recent NMM.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

If this is something I was supposed to post to technical forum or other, just point me in the right direction and I will delete it. I checked the options and this seemed the most likely candidate..

edit: I see that when I ran into the AFT issue,

Edited May 10, 2017 by tongwa

[Jannifer]

I have only two suggestions which you haven't mentioned trying. The first one is to verify your game cache through Steam. That way, you know that the base game files are good. The second is to try this utility... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5031/? I've used a similar utility for Skyrim LE with good effect.

 

Good luck! :smile:

[tongwa]

I have only two suggestions which you haven't mentioned trying. The first one is to verify your game cache through Steam. That way, you know that the base game files are good. The second is to try this utility... http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5031/? I've used a similar utility for Skyrim LE with good effect.

 

Good luck! :smile:

Thanks! I have verified cache a few times.. the first time there were 4 files which had to be reacquired.. afterwards the cache checked out good, then after another CTD or two again the files had to be reacquired.. and all good afterwards...

I have Fallrim tools (I had installed it a few months back when I thought I might be able to use it to pull Lydia's info out of a save file and allow certain mods I run to 'fix' her and permit me to "re-meet" her without the man-walk, but I never figured out how to work it so it's just.. there. In a nutshell, what might I try to do with it that you think might help my situation? I'm sure I can find tutorials to show me how to use it, but I'm not sure what functionality I would be trying to use. Thanks again.

edit: Not 100% sure, but I think after running sseedit on the files, the altered masters would be reacquired the next time I ran verify cache.. so I re-ran SSEEdit, and don't run verify any more.. (unless I intend to run SSEEdit again...).

Edited May 14, 2017 by tongwa

[tongwa]

So, I downloaded the script cleaner again since it had been updated since I had downloaded it the first time on 3/16.. I watched the linked tutorial in the video section, and deleted both the recommended groups mentioned in the tutorial and saved. Went to Solsthiem, fast-traveled to the abandoned lodge, ran east towards the temple just like last time and .. CTD in the exact same spot.

 

Next, I tried downloading Phenderix magic evolved mod for the blink strike spell since I read that I might be able to 'jump' the problem area.. but I can't get close enough for any mobs to render.. (I can see part of the temple and some of the stairs, but as soon as I enter the cell nearer to it, CTD)

Then I tried player.moveto Frea (04017a0d) and immediately CTD after pressing enter. I might have a mod conflict / load order issue, but I have no idea how to proceed if so...

 

Any further suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

 

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LCmeshes is luxury collection clothing I ran through bodyslide so it would fit my character..

Edited May 14, 2017 by tongwa

[tongwa]

Issue still unresolved, can't bring myself to play until I sort this out.

>I've verified game files.

>I've cleaned all masters removing all UDR's and ITM's that SSEedit would remove.

>I've used script cleaner on my saved game as per youtube tutorial instructions.

>I've coc'ed into the Thirsk Mead Hall, but CTD as soon as I exit it..

>I've tried Player.moveto (Frea, immediate CTD).

> My bash is properly made, no unmergeable mods bashed.

>I don't see any obvious issue with load order..

>I have ENBseries and ELE for ENB, but I CTD at any quality res.

At present, the only other glitch I am having is that I drop horses when I ride Aarvak. As I ride along, other horses I own will spawn as I ride along.. but that doesn't bother me since it is only immersion-breaking..

I have no idea what programs to use or what errors / conflicts to look for to see what the mod conflict is or what reference is being called for which is not present, or what reference exists which the game doesn't recognize. In other words, I have no idea how to proceed.

Now I can just wait for SKSE64 to arrive cuz I was gonna start again then anyway, but I'd really like to know what went wrong here and gain familiarity with the programs that allow me to deal with this kind of issue... but after looking through dozens of forum posts and youtube videos about CTD's linked to changing cells and exterior cells, I have no idea what to look for and what to 'clean'...

 

I'm not looking for a Guru to walk me through the fix by the hand.. and I won't pester anyone by constantly imploring "Now what?".. but I sure could use some advice on which program to use now, and what it is that I should learn to do with it / them...

TYVMIA