Please help me fish out the unstable mods

[addictedlion]

I get CTD's every 5 minutes with these mod settings.

Would you kindly help me fish out the unstable mods or other issues?

Any help is appreciated.

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization.esm

Falskaar.esm

Wyrmstooth.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

arnima.esm

Campfire.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

Gray Fox Cowl.esm

Cutting Room Floor.esp

Deathwing Inspired Alduin Reloaded - Odahviing.esp

ogDiverseDragons2.esp

RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

FNIS.esp

SkyUI.esp

AchieveThat.esp

AK- Placeable Statics.esp

SkyR - Solitude Interiors.esp

SKYR Interiors - Riften.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

smfsneak attack.esp

Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp

SkyR - Windhelm Interiors.esp

Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

Dragon to Wyvern renamer .esp

UltimateDragons.esp

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp

WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp

Coins of Tamriel V2 Legendary Edition.esp

TES5R - The Winking Skeever.esp

DynamicTorches.esp

ELFXEnhancer.esp

TES5R - AngelinesAromatics.esp

TES5R - Erikur's house.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Footprints.esp

HARODATH_ImmersiveSoulgems.esp

PumpingIron.esp

ArmorOfIntrigue.esp

CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp

HelmetToggle.esp

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

Skyrim Knights.esp

TAR-GuildMaster1stPersonFix.esp

ApachiiHairStyles.esp

Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp

BlackthornManor.esp

TES5R - BitsandPieces.esp

SkyR - Riverwood Interiors.esp

TES5R - HalloftheDead.esp

TES5R - Fletcher.esp

Skyrim Radioactive - Windhelm Docks.esp

Skyrim Radioactive - Solitude Docks.esp

RiftenThiefEdition.esp

Weathered Road Signs.esp

TES5R - EvetteSansHouse.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

TES5R - Katlasfarm.esp

SoS - Civilization.esp

TES5R - SolitudeStables.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

ELFX - Weathers.esp

Sjel Blad Castle.esp

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

The Ruins.esp

ArcheryDummyXP.esp

JK's Falkreath.esp

Point The Way.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp

JKs Windhelm.esp

JK's Rorikstead.esp

JKs Solitude.esp

JK's Dawnstar.esp

JK's Winterhold.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization.esp

TheScarlett.esp

TheFrontier.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

JKs Riften.esp

Inigo.esp

DragonmournInn.esp

TES5R - Helgen Keep.esp

The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp

Cloaks.esp

SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

breezehomelightfix.esp

TrissMerigoldW3.esp

KWTelescope.esp

JK's Riverwood.esp

TheDomain.esp

JKs Dragon Bridge.esp

JKs Markarth.esp

JK's Morthal.esp

TrissArmorRetextured.esp

AdalMatar.esp

QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp

SkyfallEstateBuildable.esp

stranger_danger.esp

Dodge Mod.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

Dolmen Ruins.esp

Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

JK's Ivarstead.esp

Frostfall.esp

MergedThieverySkill.esp

Signs_of_Skyrim.esp

JKs Skaal Village.esp

DA_Skyship.esp

Sneak Tools.esp

XSGTFollowers.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp

Smelter.esp

Shortcuts.esp

HoldBorderBanners.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp

Nordic Wanderer.esp

Equipping Overhaul.esp

IceBladeOfTheMonarch.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

LpotDHorse.esp

MeekoReborn.esp

LPotD Armor.esp

Extended UI.esp

iHUD.esp

SKSE Hotkeys.esp

WetandCold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp

AncientTonguesGreatSword.esp

AncientTonguesSword.esp

Cyrodilic Steel Dagger.esp

TemplarLongsword.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp

TrueStorms.esp

TrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

vwrSprintJump.esp

suspiciouscityguards.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

Faction Crossbows.esp

Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp

Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp

Realistic AI Detection - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp

CiriOutfit.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp

Realistic AI Detection Lite.esp

TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-CoT.esp

FS_SwordOfTheSeeker.esp

WaterArrows.esp

Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items.esp

ENB Snow FX.esp

ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

BijinAIO-2016_3.1.1_SV.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

Serana.esp

Valerica.esp

KS Hairdos - HDT.esp

KS Hairdo's.esp

handcart-wellsantos.esp

Fast Respawns And Rich Merchants.esp

Topics of Skyrim.esp

ExpandedNPCDialogue.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

Animallica.esp

GreenWaterFix_Compatible.esp

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

Lenhador.esp

XPMSE.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp

warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp

Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp

LastSeed.esp

Real Roads.esp

Edited June 4, 2017 by addictedlion

[LeddBate]

I can see a lot of hi-def texture mods and/or mods that CAN be hi-def (e.g. Warzones2015) depending on the settings you choose when you installed the mod. Depending on your OS and rig (especially your GPU), your CTDs might simply be occuring because you're running out of VRAM.

 

Tell us what your OS and rig is. Especially your GPU's stats.

 

While we're waiting on that, here's some troubleshooting advice, both basic and advanced:

 

1) Mod Conflicts. If your Skyrim crashes to the destop (CTD) the moment the loading screen appears, it is very likely you have a mod conflict. Add only one or two mods at a time (and test them) to avoid having to plow through dozens of mods trying to find the one that's causing your game to crash. Also, RTFM. Mod authors WILL tell you what other mods (and/or types of mods) that their mod conflicts with. But that doesn't do you any good if you don't read that info before installing. Sometimes a patch is available to prevent a ctd from happening (or to prevent the mod from conflicting in some other way, like overwriting some scenery and causing weird in-game effects like floating trees and Mammoths raining from the sky. (Yes, that happens.)

 

2) Overwrites. When NMM installs mods, it will often stop and ask you a question like: "Do you want this mod to install (whatever) over (whatever) that already exists due to (whatever)? with about eight different options. Again, many mod authors will tell you what options to choose when installing their mod. When those instructions are not present, I've found it is usually best to answer "Yes to all" or the equivalent answer offered.

 

3) Load Order. Load order is literally the order that the mods are loaded into your game. This is just as important as overwrites. A "poor" load order will cause lots of issues ranging from weird in-game effects to CTDs. You can manually alter your load order in the "Plug-In" tab of NMM, but there's a better way. Download LOOT and install it. Point it at your directory where your mods are and let LOOT sort them. Not only will LOOT give you a better load order, but it will warn you about mods that need "cleaning" of dirty edits in them. And you can do that with TES5Edit. It's quite simple to use. However, be warned that some mods have INTENTIONAL dirty edits. Cleaning those mods will likely break them. How to know? Simple, the mod author will warn you if his/her mod has deliberate dirty edits.

 

4 SKSE. SKSE is short for "SKyrim Script Extender." Many popular mods use really cool and helpful interfaces like MCM (Mod Control Menus.) These mods require SKSE to function. Download SKSE and watch Gopher's video (linked in the description at the SKSE site) for what SKSE does exactly and how to install it. Don't worry, Gopher explains it clearly and concisely.

 

Now here's an advanced guide for troubleshooting your game. Don't try to take it in all at once. Just read it a bit at a time and apply what seems appropriate to your issue(s). If any of this guide helps you, give Darstyler a kudo. It's his guide.

Here is a list of things you may do to stabilize your game :

 

/// Useful informations :

• Dangerous mods list.

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit very usefull informations concerning CTDs...

• Verify gamecache.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

/// Settings / memory :

• Have you installed the skse patch ? >> memory blocks log.

• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems.: Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.
  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.
  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

• The method above can be used to clean mods. If I'm correct LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may load all your mods with Tes5edit and use the (right-click in the left pane) apply filter to show conflict losers. Wait till Tes5edit has finished. Caution : don't try to modify anything while using this filter, it's not intended for.

• In the left pane, Expand the subsections and examine conflicts. Once an entry is expanded to the bottom and selected, the right pane shows which mods modify the entry. The last one on the right is the last loaded in your load order and the conflict winner.

• Expand the following subsections, depending on where the problems occur. Cells for CTDs inside buildings, grottos, etc... and worldspace for exterior. The goal is to target mods that edit the same places and conflict. Open the bloc note and write those mods.

• Once done, close Tes5edit and open each mod with Tesedit, one by one and use the UDR cleaning procedure (Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page) to ensure all the deleted references will be transformed in disabled references = no CTDs from this point.

• If you suspect a mod in particular, using the conflict looser / winner method above, you can decide to change its load order or uninstall it.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

[addictedlion]

 

I can see a lot of hi-def texture mods and/or mods that CAN be hi-def (e.g. Warzones2015) depending on the settings you choose when you installed the mod. Depending on your OS and rig (especially your GPU), your CTDs might simply be occuring because you're running out of VRAM.

 

Tell us what your OS and rig is. Especially your GPU's stats.

 

While we're waiting on that, here's some troubleshooting advice, both basic and advanced:

 

1) Mod Conflicts. If your Skyrim crashes to the destop (CTD) the moment the loading screen appears, it is very likely you have a mod conflict. Add only one or two mods at a time (and test them) to avoid having to plow through dozens of mods trying to find the one that's causing your game to crash. Also, RTFM. Mod authors WILL tell you what other mods (and/or types of mods) that their mod conflicts with. But that doesn't do you any good if you don't read that info before installing. Sometimes a patch is available to prevent a ctd from happening (or to prevent the mod from conflicting in some other way, like overwriting some scenery and causing weird in-game effects like floating trees and Mammoths raining from the sky. (Yes, that happens.)

 

2) Overwrites. When NMM installs mods, it will often stop and ask you a question like: "Do you want this mod to install (whatever) over (whatever) that already exists due to (whatever)? with about eight different options. Again, many mod authors will tell you what options to choose when installing their mod. When those instructions are not present, I've found it is usually best to answer "Yes to all" or the equivalent answer offered.

 

3) Load Order. Load order is literally the order that the mods are loaded into your game. This is just as important as overwrites. A "poor" load order will cause lots of issues ranging from weird in-game effects to CTDs. You can manually alter your load order in the "Plug-In" tab of NMM, but there's a better way. Download LOOT and install it. Point it at your directory where your mods are and let LOOT sort them. Not only will LOOT give you a better load order, but it will warn you about mods that need "cleaning" of dirty edits in them. And you can do that with TES5Edit. It's quite simple to use. However, be warned that some mods have INTENTIONAL dirty edits. Cleaning those mods will likely break them. How to know? Simple, the mod author will warn you if his/her mod has deliberate dirty edits.

 

4 SKSE. SKSE is short for "SKyrim Script Extender." Many popular mods use really cool and helpful interfaces like MCM (Mod Control Menus.) These mods require SKSE to function. Download SKSE and watch Gopher's video (linked in the description at the SKSE site) for what SKSE does exactly and how to install it. Don't worry, Gopher explains it clearly and concisely.

 

Now here's an advanced guide for troubleshooting your game. Don't try to take it in all at once. Just read it a bit at a time and apply what seems appropriate to your issue(s). If any of this guide helps you, give Darstyler a kudo. It's his guide.

Here is a list of things you may do to stabilize your game :

 

/// Useful informations :

• Dangerous mods list.

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit very usefull informations concerning CTDs...

• Verify gamecache.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".

• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.

• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists

/// Settings / memory :

• Have you installed the skse patch ? >> memory blocks log.

• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems.: Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.

  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.

  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.

  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.

• The method above can be used to clean mods. If I'm correct LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may load all your mods with Tes5edit and use the (right-click in the left pane) apply filter to show conflict losers. Wait till Tes5edit has finished. Caution : don't try to modify anything while using this filter, it's not intended for.

• In the left pane, Expand the subsections and examine conflicts. Once an entry is expanded to the bottom and selected, the right pane shows which mods modify the entry. The last one on the right is the last loaded in your load order and the conflict winner.

• Expand the following subsections, depending on where the problems occur. Cells for CTDs inside buildings, grottos, etc... and worldspace for exterior. The goal is to target mods that edit the same places and conflict. Open the bloc note and write those mods.

• Once done, close Tes5edit and open each mod with Tesedit, one by one and use the UDR cleaning procedure (Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page) to ensure all the deleted references will be transformed in disabled references = no CTDs from this point.

• If you suspect a mod in particular, using the conflict looser / winner method above, you can decide to change its load order or uninstall it.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

 

I use Mod Organizer so the overwriting can be moved all the time.I also use SKSE and LOOT. Most of the heavy mods like warzones are toned down with lower graphics. Here are my specs: MSI GTX GeForce 960 2GB (Stablely Overclocked), 16 GB RAM,AMD Athlon X4 860K Quad Core, and by the way, the CTD's happen randomly and not during loading screens.

[LeddBate]

Thanks for the info. I'd say that a lot of your problem stems from only having 2GB of VRAM.

 

Try this experiment. See if a friend or family member has a GPU with 3 or 4GB of VRAM that you can borrow and swap that card into your rig. Did your CTDs become much less or even stop? Then you want a GPU upgrade to keep that heavy mod load.

 

You didn't mention what OS you use. Be aware that Win 8 (both versions) and Win 10 limit the amount of VRAM for DX9 games to 4GB. (Which is why so many folks who play Oldrim stick to Win 7.) So if you're rolling with Win 8 or 10, be aware that any GPU with more than 4GB of VRAM will only be able to use a maximum of 4GB on old 32bit Skyrim.

[Shivala]

Real roads gave me problems in the past. Civil War is definitely heavy on the system. I think the author recommendeds to only use it only on a new game.

 

For a new game I use a save game from here that starts at level 1 Riverwood (to skip the Helgen scene)

 

Another way to sort things is to identify which mods are

 

1) Memory heavy (textures & models)

2) Script heavy (civil war, convenient horses, some combat mods and so on)

3) Followers,replacers or simple list, perk changers etc.

 

Group 3 hardly causes problems overall. Group 2 makes things stutter, hard to load, or gives a conflict (CTD). Group 1 is as mentioned almost always a VRAM issue where either the memory is bugging out or it cannot load textures & models fast enough.

You can then disable the mods in groups and see what is happening.

[addictedlion]

Thanks for the info. I'd say that a lot of your problem stems from only having 2GB of VRAM.

 

Try this experiment. See if a friend or family member has a GPU with 3 or 4GB of VRAM that you can borrow and swap that card into your rig. Did your CTDs become much less or even stop? Then you want a GPU upgrade to keep that heavy mod load.

 

You didn't mention what OS you use. Be aware that Win 8 (both versions) and Win 10 limit the amount of VRAM for DX9 games to 4GB. (Which is why so many folks who play Oldrim stick to Win 7.) So if you're rolling with Win 8 or 10, be aware that any GPU with more than 4GB of VRAM will only be able to use a maximum of 4GB on old 32bit Skyrim.

I use Windows 10 Home (forgot to mention it, sorry!) and I'm currently saving for a GTX 1060.

[iXenite]

 

 

For a new game I use a save game from here that starts at level 1 Riverwood (to skip the Helgen scene)

 

 

 

 

You can use Live Another Life to start up in Riverwood if you want. It has the added benefit of starting you in a small and closed cell, which provides a pretty good environment for all of your mods to initialize in as well. Just saying.

 

I use Mod Organizer so the overwriting can be moved all the time.I also use SKSE and LOOT. Most of the heavy mods like warzones are toned down with lower graphics. Here are my specs: MSI GTX GeForce 960 2GB (Stablely Overclocked), 16 GB RAM,AMD Athlon X4 860K Quad Core, and by the way, the CTD's happen randomly and not during loading screens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I use Windows 10 Home (forgot to mention it, sorry!) and I'm currently saving for a GTX 1060.

 

 

 

As for the OP, I would also look into upgrading your CPU. Skyrim, like all games by Bethesda Game Studios, is very dependent on individual core strength. Your CPU, while it is a true quad core, has weak individual cores. All older AMD chips are like that, which is why Bethesda games have favored Intel chips. I would say that upgrading your CPU in general, not just for Skyrim, is more important than your GPU at this time as it would be the major bottleneck moving forward, especially with a higher end GPU like the GTX 1060.