Bash Patch Causing game to fail to load

[Charles17]

Ok, I decided for the 15th time or so to start completely a completely fresh game. I uninstalled Skyrim entirely so nothing remained and then re-downloaded from Steam to my chosen location E\Games\Steam etc. Spent the next 3 days downloading the mods I wanted to try, different look and feel from previous game, verified compatibilities, added necessary patches, manually edited load order data in Loot, used tes5edit to check for major conflicts, used tesvedit merge plugins to check for esp errors, wrye bash to check for esp's with incorrect master loading data, tes5edit to sort masters, and wrye bash again to build bash patch. Tes5Merged patch contained no form data so was discarded. When I attempted to load a new game, the screen appeared but menu options never did. It froze up. After a couple of minutes windows shut it down. I deactivated the bash patch and reactivated all the mods it patched, tried to start a new game, and it took right off. Main menu was their, options as well. Actually played it long enough to set up my mcm's in-game, save cleanstart, then exit out. I tried to re-activate the bash patch and play, but it froze up again. So obviously there is something wrye bash is including in the patch that should not be in there. I just don't know what. I tried 4 different patches after that trying to narrow it down, top half of mergeable mods try 1, bottom half of mergeable mods try 2, top quarter 3rd try, bottom quarter 4th. All combinations failed. Building bash patches I'm familiar with, but adding and removing lvl list entries and such I'm not.

 

According to Merge plugins, the following esp's have unfixable errors:

 

UndergroundBathhouse.esm

Cutting Room Floor.esp

tpos_ultimate_esm.esp

Collegeof WinterholdImmersive.esp

3DNPC.esp

Inconsequential NPCs.esp

ETaC - Complete.esp

Obis.esp

TKAA.esp

SRX_ImperialFemaleFace.esp

Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp

Immersive Wenches.esp

Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp

MultiMarriage_JAMCE_HMA_PATCH.esp

Immersive Citizens -AI Overhaul.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

DynDOLOD.esp

 

Tes5Edit will throw nonstop errors if you try to include tpos_ultimate_esm.esp into a Tes5Merged patch.

 

My load order:

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Unique Flowers & Plants.esm
UndergroundBathhouse.esm
EFFCore.esm
WM Flora Fixes.esp
RaceCompatibility.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
MolagBalsInferno.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
Heels Sound.esm
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Better Mills Textures.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Snazzy Furniture and Clutter Overhaul.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
TerrainLodRedone.esp
tpos_ultimate_esm.esp
Tamriel Reloaded HD.esp
Real Roads.esp
RealRoads-TR-Patch.esp
SummerSolstheim.esp
SummerMushrooms.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
prettypotions.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
Smoking Torches.esp
Smoking Candles.esp
Realistic HD Beverages.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
AOS.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
D-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
DiverseDragonsCollection3.esp
DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp
VioLens.esp
Moss Rocks.esp
Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
WM Trap Fixes.esp
Battle Vixen Loadscreens.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenu2.esp
3DNPC.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
SFCO - LotD Patch.esp
Unique Shops and Stores.esp
CWIELnFXPatch.esp
SFCO - Immersive College of Winterhold Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
tpos_crf_patch_01.esp
Weathered Road Signs.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
MultiMarriage_JAMCE.esp
Birdsofskyrim.esp
OBIS.esp
RBB Long Boats.esp
tpos_legacyofthedragonborn_patch_01.esp
FNIS.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp
TKAA.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
tpos_disable_portals_01.esp
fallentreebridges.esp
RBB Large Boats.esp
Populated Forts Towers Places.esp
SRX_ImperialFemaleFace.esp
Jk'sBunnies.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
Blacksmithforge water fix HF.esp
Better Mills Textures - No roofs.esp
Better Mills Textures - Tamriel Reloaded.esp
Better Mills Textures - No Snow Under the Roof + Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells.esp
Better Mills Textures - ELFX patch.esp
Immersive Horses.esp
Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
RBB Row Boats.esp
RBB Long Boats - NSUtR.esp
RabbitsOfSkyrim.esp
Multi-Coloured Barenziah's Crown and Gems.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
SFCO - Castle Volkihar Rebuilt Patch.esp
SFCO - 3DNPC Patch.esp
Bells of Skyrim.esp
Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp
SFCO - CRF Patch.esp
SFCO - ELFX Patch.esp
Quest Conflict Fixes.esp
FarmhouseChimneys.esp
EmbersHD.esp
Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Populated Skyrim Civil War Battles.esp
Populated Imperials Stormcloaks Battles.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp
RBB Row Boats - NSUtR.esp
thedestroyer.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp
FNISspells.esp
DDC3-DD patch.esp
OBISDB.esp
OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp
ObisBoundWarriorFix.esp
Prometheus_NSUTR BDS Patch.esp
MultiMarriage_JAMCE_HMA_PATCH.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
Forgotten Wenches.esp
3DNPC TKAA Patch.esp
3dnpc - Overhual.esp
LetMePass.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
SuitUp.esp
Size Does Matter.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
CWI Archmage's Enchanting Table Bonus Fix.esp
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp
Luminescent Luna Moths - 101BugsHD HighRes.esp
Brows.esp
SGEyebrows.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
TheCoenaculiUNP.esp
Immersive Wenches -KS hairs- Patch.esp
HearthfiresDollsAreUgly.esp
FemaleUlfric.esp
CureDiseaseSpell.esp
Teach Followers Spells.esp
HogsMawsNPCs.esp
RW_Femme.esp
WCCO_All-In-One.esp
TGCO_Galathil.esp
Seraphim - PrettyCourier.esp
DBCO_ALL_IN_ONE.esp
HG_Frea.esp
Serana.esp
Valerica.esp
TGCO_ALL_IN_ONE.esp
FootIKOffSpell.esp
XPMSE.esp
SFCO - Multiple Adoptions Patch.esp
Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
Immersive Horses - Hearthfire Patch.esp
HavokCollisionObject.esp
More Hair Colors Dawnguard.esp
Lydia.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
Mjoll.esp
Rayya.esp
AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
AOS2_DSI Patch.esp
AOS2_DD Patch.esp
DBM_AOS_Patch.esp
AOS2_GDO Patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
Skysan_ENBHorseTrough.esp
Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp
AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
Bells of Skyrim - ICAIO Patch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
tpos_altern_patch_01.esp
tpos_classic_Immersive_Clit_patch_01.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
SofiaFollower.esp
Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
FarmhouseChimneys CRF-LAL Merged.esp
SFCO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

 

The List Wrye Bash merges:

 

RealRoads-TR-Patch.esp

Realistic HD Beverages.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

Moss Rocks.esp

Better Mills Textures - No roofs.esp

Better Mills Textures - Tamriel Reloaded.esp

DDC3-DD patch.esp

ObisBoundWarriorFix.esp

Prometheus_NSUTR BDS Patch.esp

3DNPC TKAA Patch.esp

Size Does Matter.esp

Luminescent Luna Moths - 101BugsHD High Resolution.esp

Immersive Wenches -KS hairs- Patch.esp

Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp

Immersive Horses - Hearthfire Patch.esp

AOS2_EBT Patch.esp

AOS2_DSI Patch.esp

AOS2_DD Patch.esp

AOS2_GDO Patch.esp

Skysan_ENBHorseTrough.esp

Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp

AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp

 

What I know is, without a bashed patch my game loads. I haven't left the starting cell given in the Alternate Start LAL mod, but I can get in the game. With the patch, the game won't load beyond the main menu image. I always create a merged and bashed patch for my playthroughs. Experience has taught me well to do so. Corrects a lot of issues. So, I would like any helpful advice on how to figure out why this is occurring.

[Charles17]

Solved....I hope. What I did, in case anyone needs troubleshooting assistance in the future, was create a bash patch without using the merge mods function. Unchecked the box saying "merge mods". Then I built a patch containing only leveled lists, tweak settings, stats, names, graphics, and cells. In this way I was able to determine if it was a mod or data from another source such as a master causing the issue. Without the mods being incorporated into the patch, the game started as it should have, so it was definitely a mod. I literally went 1 by 1 adding a mergeable mod, then rebuilding patch, try to start the game. Add 1 more, rebuild patch, try to start again...until it finally wouldn't start. When it wouldn't start again, I removed that identified mod from the patch and added the next one in the case more than 1 mod was at fault. In the end, it was only 1 mod....(size does matter.esp)...It is tagged as mergeable, but in my case it wasn't. Either it isn't intended to be merged, or something in my list is directly countering it's files. I have no idea how to find out for certain so updating this post with a definitive answer to that is unlikely. Thank you to anyone who had read this and was trying to help me find an answer.

[DarkRudra]

You've already figured it out, but yeah, it's Size Does Matter.esp. It's a known bug between that mod and Wrye Bash 307 beta2. There's a beta3 pre-release available in the Posts tab of the Wrye Bash page that supposedly has the issue fixed, if you want to try that. Details about the cause are available over there too if you want to search through the posts. The short version is that Size Does Matter.esp was created entirely in TES5Edit, using a version of TES5Edit that doesn't check to make sure a certain record in the .esp correctly matches another record in it. Other mods created entirely in TES5Edit can have the same issue (loading the mod in the CK and saving it is supposed to fix the issue).

[Pippboss]

If its Size does matter, will that affect a bashed patch created for Nexus Skyrim overhaul. The mod is included. Not sure if it been fixed before he added it. I'm running that in my load order with a bashed patch (Which created and ran the game fine).

[DarkRudra]

I'd assume it is not affected, if your bashed patch was created with Wrye Bash 307 beta2. Given the size of the Overhaul, it was probably loaded and saved in the CK when making all those various mods work together.

[Pippboss]

Yea I'm not going to worry about it. On a lighter note Charles, I think you'll love TPOS, I certainly am on my other profile. Pitty TPOS and Nexus conflict that could have turned out to be the cheapest ESP setup with the greatest game impact in the history of Skyrim lol

[ff7legend]

Size Does Matter.esp wasn't saved in the CK properly, hence why the game gets stuck loading when merged into the Bashed Patch.esp using the newest version of Wrye Bash. To fix it, the plug-in (Size Does Matter.esp) needs to be loaded into the CK, then saved. I, myself, have stuck with the previous version of Wrye Bash since I don't think it's worth installing the CK just to load/save one stinking plug-in. After the nightmare I experienced a few years ago uninstalling the CK where not only was the CK uninstalled, but my entire Skyrim installation as well, the CK will never again see the light of day on my system.

[Zoar5]

Have the same problem but it is worse.

 

Haven´t played Skyrim since a couple of weeks and deceided to start a fresh from steam new downloaded game.

- Located f:/game/skyrim/steam....

- win7 64bit, all SP and updates until today

- installed:

Wrye Bash , skse

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[Zoar5]

Same problem as headline.

 

Played Skyrim last a a few weeks ago. Everything went fine. Have win7 64bit Version with all updates up today.

Wanted to try out some other mods with my already very long modlist and decided three days ago to start anew with a freshly downloaded Skyrim from Steam with all DLC, Skyrim Legendary edition.

 

Installed too:

Wrye Bash 307 Beta2 - Standalone Executable-1840-307-beta2

TES5Edit 3.2-25859-3-2

skse_1_07_03

 

Run skse, Bethesa logo, dragon logo, main menu...

Started Wrye Bash added Bashed Patch.esp rebuild...run skse, Bethesa logo, dragon logo, CTD

 

Tried it with all available Wrye Bash Versions from 304.4 on, first via installer then via Standalone. Everytime the same result.

Active Mod Files:

• 00 Skyrim.esm

• 01 Update.esm

• 02 Dawnguard.esm

• 03 HearthFires.esm

• 04 Dragonborn.esm

• 05 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

I even thought something went wrong with the download deleted everything and downloaded Skyrim from Steam again. Nothing!

 

The only other problem I encountered right before I installed the new Skyrim were with Loot. Suddenly I could not longer download the masterlist.

Turned out it had something to do with an windows update.

It was solved via an "easy fix" from Microsoft. Loot works now fine.f

 

Unfortunately I have not enough knowledge to investigate a possible problem with Wrye Bash and win7.

Also it could not be related at all.....

 

I think I am going nuts!

 

Anybody any idea?

 

 

 

[Charles17]

If all you have are the dlc's, there is no need for a bashed patch. You say that Loot works fine now. Does that mean everything is fine, or is there still a problem? I use NMM for mod installation, tes5edit for cleaning, merged patch, advanced sorting of load order as well as fine tuning my bashed patch, and wrye bash for merge mods and mainly leveled lists.