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hey so i'm having a sudden issue with crashing a few minutes after getting in the game. i have used loot and i do have TES5Edit but i'm too afraid to mess with anything. Loot does say i have some dirty files such as ITM, navmeshes and deleted references which are here:

[EDIT] 

Update.esm - TES5Edit found 92 ITM records and 3 deleted references. fixed

Dawnguard.esm -  found 619 ITM records, 82 deleted references and 57 deleted navmeshes. fixed

Hearthguard.esm -  found 184 ITM records, 11 deleted references and 5 deleted navmeshes. fixed

Dragonborn.esm - found 61 ITM records, 8 deleted references and 1 deleted navmesh. fixed

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp - found 6 ITM records

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp - found 2 ITM records


i've tried reading the cleaning guide but it was a little confusing for my newbie brain. i don't see how modders can read that stuff xD anyways i was wondering also if i would have to fix these n how [very simple step by step guide like reading a recipe plz lol] and also if i had my mods in order. i have no idea what could be the cause of my crashing since i went on a 2 day mod spree... lol [what can i say yall have some good mods]

[EDIT] moved some stuff around

 
  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     Falskaar.esm
  7  7     ApachiiHair.esm
  8  8     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
  9  9     ApachiiHairMales.esm
 10  a     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
 11  b     SkyMoMod.esm
 12  c     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 13  d     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
 14  e     TeenVoice.esm
 15  f     MFVM.esm
 16 10     RaceCompatibility.esm
 17 11     RSkyrimChildren.esm
 18 12     OblivionHairPackAIO.esm
 19 13     Obl-VB hair.esm
 20 14     SGHairPackBase.esm
 21 15     Skykids.esm
 22 16     SK Drow Child Race.esm
 23 17     SK Monli Race.esm
 24 18     SK Children of the Sky.esm
 25 19     SK TheEyesOfBeauty.esm
 26 1a     Oblivion hair2.esm
 27 1b     hdtHighHeel.esm
 28 1c     HighResTexturePack01.esp
 29 1d     HighResTexturePack02.esp
 30 1e     HighResTexturePack03.esp
 31 1f     TouringCarriages.esp
 32 20     Cutting Room Floor.esp
 33 21     NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp
 34 22     LovelyHairstylesCE.esp
 35 23     rgmsvanitymirror.esp
 36 24     SkyUI.esp
 37 25     The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
 38 26     Sylgja Remastered.esp
 39 27     Sexy Muiri.esp
 40 28     EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
 41 29     AOS.esp
 42 2a     ELFX - Exteriors.esp
 43 2b     SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
 44 2c     Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
 45 2d     ELFX - NoPlayerHomes.esp
 46 2e     Breezehome for six kids.esp
 47 2f     Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
 48 30     ELFX - Weathers.esp
 49 31     SkyMoMod.esp
 50 32     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
 51 33     ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
 52 34     ai overhaul.esp
 53 35     amazingfollowertweaks.esp
 54 36     chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
 55 37     bryling.1.esp
 56 38     Clockwork.esp
 57 39     TKAA.esp
 58 3a     UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
 59 3b     KS_Hairdo's_Lite.esp
 60 3c     Seductive Lydia.esp
 61 3d     fantasystylefollowers.esp
 62 3e     SofiaFollower.esp
 63 3f     BeaRac.esp
 64 40     CatKing.esp
 65 41     LABikiniHeavy.esp
 66 42     LABikiniLight.esp
 67 43     FNISspells.esp
 68 44     RatKing.esp
 69 45     Vampire Follower - Farith Granius V2.esp
 70 46     regnpiercings.esp
 71 47     climatesoftamriel.esp
 72 48     HearthfireMultiKid.esp
 73 49     MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp
 74 4a     SassyTeen.esp
 75 4b     Follower Onean.esp
 76 4c     FNIS.esp
 77 4d     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
 78 4e     ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
 79 4f     ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp
 80 50     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
 81 51     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
 82 52     Skin Universalizer.esp
 83 53     Darklilith.esp
 84 54     Draconic Bloodline.esp
 85 55     Merta Black Rose Armor.esp
 86 56     HentaiSuccubusArmor.esp
 87 57     NewVampChainsCuirass.esp
 88 58     Witch Of The Wild.esp
 89 59     FNIS_PCEA2.esp
 90 5a     ThunderBirdArmor.esp
 91 5b     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 92 5c     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 93 5d     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
 94 5e     RM Armor AiO.esp
 95 5f     RM_MensPiercings.esp
 96 60     KCEDeathBell.esp
 97 61     RM Replacers - Forsworn SoS.esp
 98 62     Elewin Pumps 2.esp
 99 63     RM Light Elven Armor.esp
100 64     Disparity.esp
101 65     EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
102 66     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
103 67     AyleidPalace.esp
104 68     PrinceandPauper.esp
105 69     SK Vanilla Child Merge.esp
106 6a     RM Unicorn Girls.esp
107 6b     Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp
108 6c     ASX_Spells.esp
109 6d     azelfollower.esp
110 6e     estrionfollower.esp
111 6f     dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
112 70     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
113 71     dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
114 72     Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp
115 73     WoodElfTeenagerRace.esp
116 74     RedguardTeenagerRace.esp
117 75     OrcTeenagerRace.esp
118 76     NordTeenagerRace.esp
119 77     KhajiitTeenagerRace.esp
120 78     ImperialTeenagerRace.esp
121 79     HighElfTeenagerRace.esp
122 7a     DarkElfTeenagerRace.esp
123 7b     BretonTeenagerRace.esp
124 7c     ArgonianTeenagerRace.esp
125 7d     kankaraya.esp
126 7e     BikiniMaidenFull.esp
127 7f     Sexy Ladies Of Solitude.esp
128 80     mifune-san.esp
129 81     GuildStarter.esp
130 82     FSFAR.esp
131 83     More Hair Colors.esp
132 84     RabbitKing.esp
133 85     Underhearth.esp
134 86     DogKing.esp
135 87     Disparity - SkyKids Patch.esp
136 88     TC-CRF.esp
137 89     Lokir's House.esp
138 8a     CarbunkleSummonFollower.esp
139 8b     RM - Male Cleric SoS.esp
140 8c     Adilya.esp
141 8d     RSChildren.esp
142 8e     NIOVHH.esp
143 8f     SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp
144 90     SK Vanilla Child Replacer HF.esp
145 91     RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp
146 92     TKMN_MoreAdoptableChildren.esp
147 93     High Level Enemies - SIC.esp
148 94     High Level Enemies - SIC Falskaar.esp
149 95     AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
150 96     AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
151 97     SoS_AOS2_Patch.esp
152 98     SoS_CoT_Patch.esp
153 99     RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
154 9a     RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp
155 9b     SGHairPackAIO.esp
156 9c     SK Alt Male Body.esp
157 9d     SK Playable Kids Alt Male Body.esp
158 9e     SK Lolydia.esp
159 9f     monli preset3.esp
160 a0     monli preset2.esp
161 a1     monli preset1.esp
162 a2     SK Vanilla Child Replacer DB.esp
163 a3     SK Playable Kids.esp
164 a4     dD-DG-DB-MM-SiC EBT Patch.esp
165 a5     HearthfireMultikid_PNP Patch.esp
166 a6     HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
167 a7     [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights +Dawnguard.esp
168 a8     RamuhSummonFollower.esp
169 a9     Shiva.esp
170 aa     Callie.esp
171 ab     RSChildren Playable.esp
172 ac     cmuse_yumi_adoptable.esp
173 ad     Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
174 ae     HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp
175 af     KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
176 b0     AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp
177 b1     HDT Female Hairstyles.esp
178 b2     Aelesse.esp
179 b3     Anabel.esp
180 b4     FNISSexyMove.esp
181 b5     12FemaleBrows.esp
182 b6     Female Skin Universalizer.esp
183 b7     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp
184 b8     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp
185 b9     Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
186 ba     BelkoFollower.esp
187 bb     Bridgetfollower.esp
188 bc     Emfy Cleric Robes.esp
189 bd     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
190 be     Lex.esp
191 bf     LanyaFollower.esp
192 c0     LBackpackAll.esp
193 c1     CharacterMakingExtender.esp
194 c2     Facelight.esp
195 c3     [kiki]follower_Nightley.esp
196 c4     _YoungHuman.esp
197 c5     [kiki]kkFollowers.esp
198 c6     Umekas - Male Follower.esp
199 c7     SK Drow Taldyn.esp
200 c8     LiliFollower.esp
201 c9     [kiki]follower_RoyelBoy.esp
202 ca     [kiki]follower_Ake_Adopted.esp
203 cb     MELON2cicero.esp
204 cc     MELON3onmund.esp
205 cd     MELON4vilkas.esp
206 ce     MeguminExplosion.esp
207 cf     OK_Cecile.esp
208 d0     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
209 d1     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
210 d2     RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
211 d3     SoS_ImmersiveCitizens_Patch.esp
212 d4     Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp
213 d5     ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
214 d6     ELFXEnhancer.esp
215 d7     SoS_ELE_Patch.esp
216 d8     Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp
217 d9     Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
218 da     Bashed Patch, 0.esp
 


and yes again i use loot to organize them and i read the descriptions the best i can... i've noticed a good amount of them don't even say anything about the mod. x.x i also use NMM, Bodyslider, SKSE and FNIS.

Are there any mods i dont need or need a different one of [explain briefly] or conflict? also i've read that the installation order is just as important as load order.... if it isn't too much to ask what installation order do i need as well? maybe i messed up somewhere? i hope someone out there can fill my tall order and sit down and explain things with me. so far i've gotten the sort of general idea of it all just to barely get by but i still feel like im stumbling around in the dark even with video guides and written out help guides. [I have a slight personal comprehensive issue] I came here as a last resort and all of this has me so stressed out i literally have a bald spot to prove it. x.x uhm and ik i got off topic but these are my only guesses as to why it isnt working.... i just dont know how to fix it entirely....

thanks so much for anyone's help!

[EDIT] 

So i was continuing to look up how to clean my dirty files with tes5edit and found this! first great how to video i've seen in a week!! now my files are nice and clean! however i haven't checked to see if it fixed my crashing issue just yet. ill come back and let you know.  :D also i didnt clean the last two because i didnt know if u could or not? o.o

i still need help figuring out what mods i do n don't need and what are not compatible or if there is something that i need to manually change the load order around.

[EDIT] 

welp it crashed still... now what... :/ 


[EDIT] 


Attached File  list of my mods in load order showing errors.rar   30.82KB   4 downloads

Edited by JinxiBear, 14 February 2018 - 08:39 AM.


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Step one is lots of research you found the man of moment with Gophers tutorials. I'd also take a peek at GamerPoets YouTube channel along with Dirtyweasel media. All 3 of these guys have some exceptional help and guides. One thing I did notice is you have one of the official texture packs selected and the other two are not. Most likely have some serious conflicts If you went on a modding spree. As you use NMM a good way to quickly check what has errors in them is to load up your entire load order with Tes 5Edit. If it finds an error it will stop the background loader and tell you what the error is. It wont tell you how to fix it. But most of the time it will be a load order issue. Move offending mod where it needs to be. When you can get to the end of the load order without it stopping you are on the right tracks. You may need to do this many times. You might not. Loot is great but its far from perfect

 

Example error

 

[00:08] Background Loader: [RealisticWaterTwo.esp] Processing completed
[00:08] Background Loader: Fatal: <Exception: "RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp" requires master "RealisticWaterTwo.esp" to be loaded before it.>
[00:11] Background Loader: finished

I created that error just for this post by moving one mod up or down in my load order in MO then I ran xEdit to provide you with this example

 

Then I would load up the entire load order select all the mods in that load order up until the unofficial patch. (never mess with that one it will break mods that rely on it).

As for a definitive guide as to how to fix that specific load order I don't think one could be written sadly. Way too many variables.

I'll link you to some wizardry called BethINI https://www.nexusmod...yrim/mods/69787  it sets up INI files for Skyrim. The mod page also has a link to a YouTube tutorial that explains how to use it. How to set it up. You may also want to switch to a tool called Mod Organizer. At the moment its the modders choice when it comes to Skyrim because it allows you to visually see what is conflicting with what. It also never writes anything to Skyrim folder so you can just delete the lot and run vanilla Skyrim if you wanted to :ohmy:

I may not have been much help but you need to use your  own judgment, maybe some mods need to be removed completely. You could use feed back from Tes5 Edit as a guide.

Best advice though, you will hate.

 

I'd deactivate all of the mods  then delete my Skyrim data folder then head to steam and re verify skyrim and get it back to a vanilla state then run Skyrim once

i'd clean the masters as shown in Gophers tutorial then start reactivating the mods in a more logical order. I'd also test a lot along the way. Its very time consuming. You may also need to download and install 'crash fixes' an make sure you test its working. An MO tutorial can be found in Dirtyweaselmedia's 2016 modding guide.

Test along the way. Remember Skyrim is awesome modded. Start off easy with unofficial patches. Then anything marked as an ESM. Then SKSE (watch Gopher's guide) then i'd run UI stuff like skyui maps and anything else in your load order. Armor mods all together, weapon mods all together. NPC' mods you will need to use the mod pages as a guide along with things like Body slide. Texture mods generally don't come with an ESP so install order is not so important but it actually is unless you want missing texture's.

You'll also need an ENB and (depending on your pc) a pre-set so you can run the memory hacks although Crash fixes can work around it. Then using logic id re activate the rest of the mods and use LOOT along the way.  At the bottom or rather last id then install FNIS and any mods dependent on it. Then run generate FNIS for users. See the mod page and watch setup tutorials

 

Your game is running a very heavy load order. At Skyrim start up the game has a lot going on as scripts fire for 1st time and the game starts in the cart. This can be a major problem with starting the game. Even perfectly stable modded games can crash. Download and install ''Alternate Start live another life'' which allows you to start in a prison and create your character. It then starts all the mods up. The benefit in this means the stress on the game engine is lower. Then if you wish you can actually do a vanilla start. Also great for testing along the way. You can make a vanilla character and test it out as a base line. Without the need to constantly go through the vanilla start every time you want to test a mod is working. If you can get a stable game learn to stress test it with everything running at increased speed. Convenient horses (horse mod) comes with a built in script latency test. Its worth running the mod just for that feature alone. It can give you  a good indication as to how the game will run. High script latency is bad news.

 

Good luck, take your time. Learn what the mods are doing to the game. Don't be afraid to experiment but follow mod author's advice. Use Loot, Test test test.


Edited by Pippboss, 13 February 2018 - 08:28 PM.


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Step one is lots of research you found the man of moment with Gophers tutorials. I'd also take a peek at GamerPoets YouTube channel along with Dirtyweasel media. All 3 of these guys have some exceptional help and guides. One thing I did notice is you have one of the official texture packs selected and the other two are not. Most likely have some serious conflicts If you went on a modding spree. As you use NMM a good way to quickly check what has errors in them is to load up your entire load order with Tes 5Edit. If it finds an error it will stop the background loader and tell you what the error is. It wont tell you how to fix it. But most of the time it will be a load order issue. Move offending mod where it needs to be. When you can get to the end of the load order without it stopping you are on the right tracks. You may need to do this many times. You might not. Loot is great but its far from perfect

 

Example error

 

[00:08] Background Loader: [RealisticWaterTwo.esp] Processing completed
[00:08] Background Loader: Fatal: <Exception: "RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp" requires master "RealisticWaterTwo.esp" to be loaded before it.>
[00:11] Background Loader: finished

I created that error just for this post by moving one mod up or down in my load order in MO then I ran xEdit to provide you with this example

 

Then I would load up the entire load order select all the mods in that load order up until the unofficial patch. (never mess with that one it will break mods that rely on it).

As for a definitive guide as to how to fix that specific load order I don't think one could be written sadly. Way too many variables.

I'll link you to some wizardry called BethINI https://www.nexusmod...yrim/mods/69787  it sets up INI files for Skyrim. The mod page also has a link to a YouTube tutorial that explains how to use it. How to set it up. You may also want to switch to a tool called Mod Organizer. At the moment its the modders choice when it comes to Skyrim because it allows you to visually see what is conflicting with what. It also never writes anything to Skyrim folder so you can just delete the lot and run vanilla Skyrim if you wanted to :ohmy:

I may not have been much help but you need to use your  own judgment, maybe some mods need to be removed completely. You could use feed back from Tes5 Edit as a guide.

Best advice though, you will hate.

 

I'd deactivate all of the mods  then delete my Skyrim data folder then head to steam and re verify skyrim and get it back to a vanilla state then run Skyrim once

i'd clean the masters as shown in Gophers tutorial then start reactivating the mods in a more logical order. I'd also test a lot along the way. Its very time consuming. You may also need to download and install 'crash fixes' an make sure you test its working. An MO tutorial can be found in Dirtyweaselmedia's 2016 modding guide.

Test along the way. Remember Skyrim is awesome modded. Start off easy with unofficial patches. Then anything marked as an ESM. Then SKSE (watch Gopher's guide) then i'd run UI stuff like skyui maps and anything else in your load order. Armor mods all together, weapon mods all together. NPC' mods you will need to use the mod pages as a guide along with things like Body slide. Texture mods generally don't come with an ESP so install order is not so important but it actually is unless you want missing texture's.

You'll also need an ENB and (depending on your pc) a pre-set so you can run the memory hacks although Crash fixes can work around it. Then using logic id re activate the rest of the mods and use LOOT along the way.  At the bottom or rather last id then install FNIS and any mods dependent on it. Then run generate FNIS for users. See the mod page and watch setup tutorials

 

Your game is running a very heavy load order. At Skyrim start up the game has a lot going on as scripts fire for 1st time and the game starts in the cart. This can be a major problem with starting the game. Even perfectly stable modded games can crash. Download and install ''Alternate Start live another life'' which allows you to start in a prison and create your character. It then starts all the mods up. The benefit in this means the stress on the game engine is lower. Then if you wish you can actually do a vanilla start. Also great for testing along the way. You can make a vanilla character and test it out as a base line. Without the need to constantly go through the vanilla start every time you want to test a mod is working. If you can get a stable game learn to stress test it with everything running at increased speed. Convenient horses (horse mod) comes with a built in script latency test. Its worth running the mod just for that feature alone. It can give you  a good indication as to how the game will run. High script latency is bad news.

 

Good luck, take your time. Learn what the mods are doing to the game. Don't be afraid to experiment but follow mod author's advice. Use Loot, Test test test.


Thanks so much. I'm trying not to redo all my mods [unless i absolutely have to] so ima' try doing everything else first. I took your advice and did the TES5EDIT thing to find errors and such. to my surprise most of them are looking pretty good besides two errors i found. the witch of the wild one i can't figure out how to fix and idky i'm getting the first error or how to fix it as well.... i'll send you a log file in my original post



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The back ground loader manages to finish. Which tells me you can try a skyrim start up. Expect it to crash though.

Questions. Did you run FNIS for users after installing your animations?

Did you run Body slide and create and generate a body for Body slide? You may also need a body CBBE or UNP along with a (Skeleton) XP32SME. The skeleton will work for both body types its also needed for the fella's from SoS but you need to pick a body type and then pick through all your armour mods and make sure you have the right armour for the right body.  Them armor mods require the UNP or CBBE body (only one) and the corresponding armour file. IE CBBE body with CBBE armour. Or just deactivate Emfy and any other armours that require a certain skeleton. Then Set up a body/skeleton. Again this can get complicated quickly so watch some or as many tutorials on the web. Get it wrong your game will crash, You'll have mismatching textures and or meshes. It can get messy fast.

in Summary

Realistic ragdolls and force <--install

XP32 skeleton Install it but pick options for a certain body type UNP based or CBBE based. As you have body slide already installed, pick options for it. You may need to reinstall this and check its installing for the right body this program does both.

CBBE or UNP Install either depending on the skeleton you just installed.

 

I think fastest way to get you into game is to deactivate them armour mods that come with HDT physics and that bashed patch. Now test Skyrim. IF you can get into the game and stay in game do a stress test. See if it crashes. 

Ok after further inspection I can see 4  mods that Have these requirements. 

85 55     Merta Black Rose Armor.esp
 86 56     HentaiSuccubusArmor.esp
 87 57     NewVampChainsCuirass.esp ?? not sure about that one
Emfy. Might be more of em you'll have too check.
 
If it runs then do the body install (watch tutorials) then install/reactivate the armours. Run body slide and then FNIS for users. It should all be back together and working. As for its stability I cant say. Most of your load order is alien to me I'm afraid. As for that bashed patch, until you know you have some semblance of stability. Go into skyrim/Data and delete it. Its one of the last things you do an only do if you know you need it. Only if the game will require it. Having a bad bashed patch will kill Skyrim pretty fast lol. 
 

Good luck hope it works :smile:


Edited by Pippboss, 14 February 2018 - 04:00 PM.


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I know you need to have a USLEEP+CRF+RDO AFT patch active,

 

209 d1     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
210 d2     RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
 
Also, you shouldn't have UFO active at the same time as AFT since both mods are incompatible.  Either uninstall AFT or UFO (I don't use UFO), if you want a stable modded game.
 
58 3a     UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

Edited by leonardo2, 14 February 2018 - 03:04 PM.


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I think AFT will probably be best. Good eyes btw Leonardo :P



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You're welcome. :)



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Not really sure how stable AFT is, but UFO is outdated so you should remove that.  I'm using EFF and it works fine. You should read this discussion: https://www.reddit.c...ft_ufo_eff_etc/. After reading that I decided EFF was a better mod.

 

Also, don't blindly trust LOOT. It just checks what masters your files need and kinda randomizes the rest. You should put all ELFX addons at the bottom, after the main ELFX mod but before the Bashed Patch. Not saying it will help with CTD, but it's the recommended load order.


Edited by Taedus, 15 February 2018 - 08:13 PM.






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