Vortex and Loot

[Frog352000]

So when you install mods with Vortex it automatically sorts the plugins according to it's own code. When i run loot and update the load order according to loot (which I trust more than Vortex) it suggests a different load order and I apply it. The problem is after shutting down Loot and Vortex, the next time Vortex is run, it reapplies it's load order ignoring the changes I previously made in Loot. If I run Loot again I have to reapply it's load order.

 

Am I doing something wrong? Is there an option in Vortex to retain Loot's load order that I'm missing?

[Tannin42]

Vortex doesn't have its own sorting code, it uses loot internally.

When loot run as an external application produces different results that could either mean that you have custom rules set up in either vortex (through drag&drop) or in loot

(through it's UI) or that both lists are valid.

What you have to keep in mind with loot is that it only cares about resolving conflicts. When two plugins have no conflict, it doesn't matter how they are arranged.

Therefore within the limits of conflicts are an almost infinite number of valid load orders. Just because two tools generate different lists doesn't mean one of them is wrong.

[Frog352000]

Vortex doesn't have its own sorting code, it uses loot internally.

When loot run as an external application produces different results that could either mean that you have custom rules set up in either vortex (through drag&drop) or in loot

(through it's UI) or that both lists are valid.

What you have to keep in mind with loot is that it only cares about resolving conflicts. When two plugins have no conflict, it doesn't matter how they are arranged.

Therefore within the limits of conflicts are an almost infinite number of valid load orders. Just because two tools generate different lists doesn't mean one of them is wrong.

 

I have no dependencies or custom rules set up in Vortex or Loot. The plugins are sorted differently through Vortex and the externally run Loot. When I apply the changes in Loot, the next time I run Vortex it sorts them back to it's original sorting order and I have to run Loot again and resort. It's basically a never ending loop.

 

Yes if two plugins have no conflicts their load order doesn't matter but that's only in relation to the two specific plugins. Their load order matters to the other plugins that are loaded. For example, Vortex always puts Smimm SE about 3/4 of the way down my load order. Loot puts it almost at the top of the ESP's right behind the Unofficial Patch. This is where it's supposed to be. Where Vortex puts it it affects files in immersive armours, realistic waters etc.

 

Anyway I uninstalled all the Vortex mods and uninstalled it and went back to NMM which seems to work a lot better with Loot and SSE Edit.

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

[simsrw73]

I have not followed up with more testing but we have observed some very odd behavior in at least one particular case when going back and forth between Loot and Vortex/Loot-api:

 

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/6441506-vortex-sorting-tool-and-loot/?p=58076246

[SkunkMonkey]

Up until this latest release of LOOT a day or so ago, Vortex and LOOT didn't seem to see each others user rules and possibly the master list. I got such strange behavior that I stopped using LOOT altogether. Upon loading this recent version of LOOT yesterday, all of the user rules I had set up in Vortex were there.

 

People need to remember, not all plugins have a rule so their sort order isn't fixed and any change should be expected. If you want to ensure load orders, for whatever reason, use priorities. The primary reason I've had to do this was to ensure the masters for my merged plugins don't change their order.

[Frog352000]

Up until this latest release of LOOT a day or so ago, Vortex and LOOT didn't seem to see each others user rules and possibly the master list. I got such strange behavior that I stopped using LOOT altogether. Upon loading this recent version of LOOT yesterday, all of the user rules I had set up in Vortex were there.

 

People need to remember, not all plugins have a rule so their sort order isn't fixed and any change should be expected. If you want to ensure load orders, for whatever reason, use priorities. The primary reason I've had to do this was to ensure the masters for my merged plugins don't change their order.

The latest Loot update wasn't out when I was using it, but yeah, I think manually adjusting priorities is the best way to go if you know what you're doing and comfortable with that. Loot and Vortex both do this just in different ways. I actually prefer Vortex's drag and connect then set priorities method. It's one of the things I think the Vortex people really set up well and seems to be pretty stable even in the alpha. Obviously Loot uses the older edit metadata submenus which can get a little cumbersome if you're dealing with many mods.

[Deleted133263User]

Edit : Disregard this post, I have just seen the issue where Tannin is already participating in a relevant discussion.

Edited March 24, 2018 by Guest

[Mrniceguy55]

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Edited March 28, 2020 by Mrniceguy55

[rotty18]

Habe etwas eigenartiges bemerkt, wenn ich mit Loot mods reinige,danach bei Steam, reparieren lasse,sind die Fehler bei loot wieder da.