Sudden, dire FPS?

Darklustre · April 18, 2018

I've been playing for years and no problem. Took a break for quite awhile and now the FPS is dire. It's especially noticeable in cities. I thought this was because of expansions. But it's like that even in small, unmodded cities like Hla Oad. Could someone take a peak and tell me if something jumps out as the likely cause? I've mashed the heck out of it, but nothing seems to fix this. :(

Active Mods

001 Morrowind.esm

002 Tribunal.esm

003 Bloodmoon.esm

004 Texture Fix - Bloodmoon 1.1.esm

005 abotWaterLife.esm

006 Morrowind Patch v1.6.6_beta.esm

007 Poorly Placed Object Fix 1.2.esm

008 Texture Fix 2.0.esm

009 TR_Data.esm

010 TR_Mainland.esm

011 MCA.esm

012 Wyrmhaven.esm

013 Sris_Alchemy_BM.esp

014 The Living Cities of Vvardenfall v1.1.esp

015 LCV Schedule Markers.esp

016 Barabus' fireplaces 2.esp

017 cloakanddagger.esp

018 Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp

019 Advanced Herbalism - Planter Add-On.esp

020 EcoAdjDaedricDrops.esp

021 BE_HousesForSale.esp

022 Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp

023 MTT IV Master.esp

024 lgnpc_MaarGan.esp

025 Adventurers Tent.esp

026 EcoAdjMerchantSkills.esp

027 Persuasion Response Expansion.esp

028 lgnpc_Ald'ruhn.esp

029 compslave.esp

030 SirLuthor-Tools.esp

031 lgnpc_khuul.esp

032 LGNPC - Pelagiad.esp

033 Unique Banners and Signs.esp

034 Potted Plants - Trib & BM.esp

035 lgnpc_HlaOad.esp

036 Advanced Herbalism - TR & BM.esp

037 Advanced Herbalism_patch.esp

038 LGNPC - Tel Mora.esp

039 Better Bodies.esp

040 Windows Glow.esp

041 LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp

042 EcoAdj(Sri+Ingredients).esp

043 AshlanderTent.esp

044 Sri Alchemy BM List Patch.esp

045 Lgnpc_SN.esp

046 Windows Glow - Tribunal Eng.esp

047 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp

048 Windows Glow - Bloodmoon Eng.esp

049 Windows Glow - Raven Rock Eng.esp

050 abotWaterLifeTRaddon.esp

051 Farmer Mod SSlaves Patch.esp

052 WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP

053 Fligg's Slave Mod.esp

054 Bloated Caves.esp

055 Keyring.esp

056 mwfriarnfay's shipwreck v1[2].1.esp

057 ExcellentMagicSounds.esp

058 almalexia armor.esp

059 mel_teleportPlugin_1_3.esp

060 Psy_UniqueDremora_T.esp

061 Better Skulls.ESP

062 Particle Arrow Replacer.esp

063 The Request Mod.esp

064 Psy_VGR_Armour.esp

065 MA_snowprincetomb_v3.esp

066 LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp

067 LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp

068 New Gnaar Mok.ESP

069 abotWindowsGlow.esp

070 Statue Replacer - Normal.esp

071 bones.esp

072 Balmora Expansion v1.4.esp

073 Erengard Mines.esp

074 Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp

075 JEB_muffin_fix.esp

076 EcoAdjCrime.esp

077 EcoAdjMisc.esp

078 BE 1.4 -Golden Arrow fix-.esp

079 Shieldfx.esp

080 Vivec Outdoor Mall_v2.esp

081 Book Jackets - Morrowind.esp

082 Ald-Ruhn game of three cups.esp

083 Book Jackets - Tribunal.esp

084 The Doors - Balmora, Suran 1.2.esp

085 Book Jackets - Bloodmoon.esp

086 MTT_IV_Master.esp

087 Chalk30-Base.esp

088 Chalk30-Glow.esp

089 XE Sky Variations.esp

090 NewBlood_MwTbBm1.1.esp

091 Neo's Unique Creatures.esp

092 Jac_lightning_strike.esp

093 jac_morte.esp

094 correctUV Ore Replacer 1.0.esp

095 Clean Chargen_Revamped_v2_3.esp

096 Golden Gold.esp

097 Animated Morrowind.esp

098 Find Shelter.esp

099 New Voices.esp

100 Sleepers, Awake!.esp

101 guarskin_drum_replacer.esp

102 Clerical Robes.esp

103 TR_Alpha.ESP

104 LeftGloves_Addon_v2.esp

105 Adv. Herbalism Trama Complete.ESP

106 UniqueFinery.esp

107 Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp

108 ASH 2.0.esp

109 True_Lights_And_Darkness_1.0-NoDaylight.esp

110 Clean MCFC_1.0.esp

111 imperial chain fix.esp

112 MCA - TR Addon.esp

113 Farmer Mod v4.3.esp

114 UF_HortRobeF001.esp

115 Vurt's Grazelands Unique Trees.esp

116 Vurt's BC Tree Replacer II.esp

117 New Bodies - Mature.esp

118 Female Armor - Complete.esp

119 Better Weapons and Armors.esp

120 OTR_Coast_Variety.esp

121 STA_guides_replacer.esp

122 The Doors - Ald-Ruhn 1.4.esp

123 Redaynia Village.esp

124 Vivec Expansion 2.0.esp

125 FireCliff.ESP

126 shack mod.ESP

127 Scrib jerky.ESP

128 Farmhouse.ESP

129 Decorator+ (Balanced).esp

130 Better_Sounds.esp

131 NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp

132 NPC LCV Locks.esp

133 AtmosphericSoundEffects-3.0-Tribunal.esp

134 Fastfeet.ESP

135 NOM 2.13.esp

136 Mashed Lists.esp

137 Sensible skills.ESP

138 The Meadow Fae.esp

139 Armor of God.ESP

140 Complete Morrowind - Tribunal & Bloodmoon.esp

141 Complete Morrowind TB & BM - Replacer.esp

142 Universal Companion Share.esp

AYLeiDRuiN · April 18, 2018

Nothing jumps out at me in your load order, but there are quite a few I don't recognize.

Is this the same playthrough that you HAD a good FPS game but now its bog'n down?

If it were me, I'd check my Morrowind.ini and my MGExe Settings. Check: no X for Per Pixel Lighting. Whats your Cell distance? What shaders are you using? =These are the things I would check.

You can also check out the FPS optimizer but statistically speaking I'm sure you have a good enough PC to run Morrowind.

Check your Graphic Settings in ur Driver Software... Nvidia / Amd w/e it is. Make sure AA aint' on max or anything like that.

Darklustre · April 18, 2018

Wow awesome response. Too awesome really, it went right over my head :(

I'm not really that sure how to do any of that. I will look into the optimizer. Yeah my system is pretty darn good. I run Ark without problems. So I think it's not too bad. I'll run and try to figure out my nVidia settings. But how do I do the MGExe Settings? I feel kinda dumb xD

Darklustre · April 18, 2018

Aaaaand I don't see any way to access that information on the nVidia card either. It's not in Device Manager that I can see. Sorry to be so female, but could you help me change my tire?

So I tried running the optimizer and the weirdest thing happened. The landscape was melting as I walked towards it. There were hills and grass melting into the ground and trees popping up, that should have been there. That was very weird. It wasn't doing that before!

There is another strange thing I've noticed before using this program. Seyda Neen seems to have some really weird glitches going on. There are "Bedroom door"s popping up in doorways and tapestries, against walls and so on. I've seen a bunch of NPCs laying on the ground like they were dead. I went to loot them, and opened their inventory. I took their stuff and the guards attacked me. It was only then I noticed they seemed to be breathing.

I tell you, Seyda Neen is cursed!

Edited April 18, 2018 by Darklustre

Dragon32 · April 18, 2018

For MGE XE run

Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\MGEgui.exe

For Nvidia settings, right click on desktop > Nvidia control panel > Manage 3d settings

- Check both the Global Settings and Program Settings for Morrowind

On your load list it doesn't look like you're running the latest version of mlox, I'd suggest running it and applying its load order suggestions. It highlights some other things, e.g.

023 MTT IV Master.esp

086 MTT_IV_Master.esp

Which are basically the same mod.

Darklustre · April 18, 2018

Thank you!

Ok I put the anti-aliasing in MGE down to 2x. The nVidia settings were application controlled, except FXAA and that was set to off, transparency-off, gamma correction- on.

Thanks. I forgot all about Mlox. It already found a few discrepancies. I'll look into updating it!

AYLeiDRuiN · April 18, 2018

lol DarkLustre xD My apologies for not listing the steps. Thank you Dragon32 :D

Darklustre · April 19, 2018

So do my specs tell you anything? The FPS is still horrific. Were my settings ok?

AYLeiDRuiN · April 19, 2018

What MGE Shaders do you have Active? MGE > Graphics TAB > Shader Setup > Active Shaders

What is your Max Cell Distance in MGE for Distant Land? MGE > Distant Land TAB > Cell Distance

Have you tried Mapping keyboard keys (I use 7,8,9) to Turning Distant land and Shaders off in-game?

IE: MGEXEgui.exe > In-Game TAB > Input Tools=Top Right > Macro Editor.

Click on Numpad 9 (or w/e keys u want) and assign it a Function and make it toggle Shaders. Do the same for Distant Land. Load up the game and go to where the FPS hit is and toggle shaders / distant land. Shaders first.

You haven't listed your specs unless they're in your profile, but I'm sure they're up to snuff.

Edited April 19, 2018 by AYLeiDRuiN

Darklustre · April 22, 2018

Ok I'll give that a try. But I'm noticing that, so far it's only in towns along the coast. Vivec and Balmora are the worst. They are also heavily expanded, but worked fine before. I was having weirdness in Seyda Neen. Ald-ruhn seemed much better. Even during the ash storm. I am thinking it could be TR. I probably have an old version. I'm also getting a lot of warnings. My saves are CTDing a lot too. And every time I Mash them, I'm coming up with error messages. And once corrupted, they CTD every time.

Specs:

i7-3630QM 2.40 Ghz x2

8 gig

GTX 660M

Mash error message:

[9,-3]

BAD REF>>NO MASTER 118 406278 ex_molagmar_lev+2

[5,-8]

BAD REF>>NO MASTER 138 183932 leles birian00000002

[-2,-3]

BAD REF>>NO MASTER 123 41610 BE_groupe00000000

[-3,-2]

BAD REF>>NO MASTER 123 32921 furn_bannerd_goods_balmorapawn

Piernette's Farmhouse

BAD REF>>NO MASTER 138 183932 leles birian00000001

Orphaned content records:

BE_groupe00000000

leles birian00000001

leles birian00000002

scrib diseased00000009

Warnings:

Unable to locate Enchanting 'hair shirt'.

Local count for script 'slaveScript' differs from local count for saved reference data.

Unable to find referenced object "in_velothismall_ndoor_01_alusar" in script lgnpc_fq_AlusaronScript.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving29.dds" count 39.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving15.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving01.dds" count 42.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving28.dds" count 40.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving14.dds" count 45.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving27.dds" count 40.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving13.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\@_bottle_02_nm.dds" count 3.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving26.dds" count 43.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving12.dds" count 42.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving25.dds" count 42.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving11.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving09.dds" count 41.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving24.dds" count 39.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving10.dds" count 42.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving08.dds" count 43.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving23.dds" count 41.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving07.dds" count 45.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\Tx_A_Silver_cuir_duke01.dds" count 3.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving22.dds" count 43.

Texture "Textures\_land_default.tga" count 3.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving06.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\@_ceramic_swirl_large_nm.dds" count 3.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving21.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving19.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving05.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving20.dds" count 42.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\reflection.dds" count 6.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving18.dds" count 41.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving04.dds" count 44.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\Q_Refl_Writing_Dark.dds" count 3.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving17.dds" count 43.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving03.dds" count 46.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving16.dds" count 41.

Texture "Data Files\Textures\db_blood_moving02.dds" count 45.

Texture "Textures\menu_thick_border_bottom_right_corner.dds" count 2.

Edited April 22, 2018 by Darklustre

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