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http://www.bbc.com/n...canada-43902372

Regardless of the issue, or even the consequences of his actions, Trump appears to be an infinite well of resentment and revenge. Note the first of the three reasons cited in this article explaining why he's now turned his genital waving on Iran: "Shredding the Obama legacy". I'm sure the same resentment helped motivate Trump's undoing of Title II protection for internet traffic. What our FCC did under Obama, regardless of any and all current and future actions by our feds, will prove the key step that saved the internet in the U.S., and I think this reality is more than Trump's ego can handle. What astonishes me is that apparently no one has ever explained to Trump that what was done in 2015 was actually best for our country, and it was done with overwhelming popular support. He doesn't give a rat's ass, Obama did it so it must therefore be undone in his book. Therefore the harder he attacks net neutrality and pretends to destroy it, the more his own numbers plummet and the closer the Democrats are to retaking control of Congress -- and the more comprehensive and permanent the inevitable response to this intentional and orchestrated rights repression will be. I'm still stunned at how Trump allows nothing to interfere with his revenge fest, not even popular will, the best interest of our country or even the very constitutional rights of the people who put him into office. Very, VERY Hitleresque and that's not even a matter of opinion. It's established history now.

Edited by TheMastersSon, 22 May 2018 - 03:34 AM.


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Pure hysteria, as usual.  For the record, I’m no Trump supporter but the rabbid crazy thrown at him is a big part of why his election was not only inevitable but, in a certain sick way, even necessary.  He’s a crass, odious, prick—I will happily grant that—but that’s about all he is.  The corporate media is obsessed with painting him as Hitler reborn for one—and only one—reason.  They didn’t pick him.  For the first time in modern history someone attained that office without their stamp of approval and that’s where it begins and ends.

A prime example of this can be seen in how his immigration policies are covered.  If you bother to look, you will find that Clinton and Obama were distinctly to the right of him on this subject, with far harsher things to say about illegal immigrants and certainly more deportations.  The goal posts have simply been moved.

As for Saint Barack:

*Prosecuted over a dozen journalists and whistle-blowers.
*Signed the NDAA giving himself, and future presidents, the right to assassinate any American citizen anywhere, at any time, without trial or charges.  
*Attacked Libya causing a civil war there for no reason except to destabilize the region to justify further intervention, force IMF loans on African countries, and protect the petro dollar, causing a third of the country to fall into the hands of jihadist.  Also, the former Libya is now the home to the largest open-air slave markets (dealing exclusively in sub Saharan Africans) in world history.
*Attempted to frame Assad for using chemical weapons when the attack came from U.S. backed rebel groups, all the while arming jihadists in Syria to destabilize the country further.
*Armed neo Nazi groups in the Ukraine and fermenting civil unrest which resulted in thousands of deaths.  
*Inflicted massive civilian casualties from U.S. drone strikes in dozens of countries with no formal declaration of hostilities.
*Police black sites within U.S. borders.  
*Constant Militarization of the police while claiming to be against that.  
*Expansion of the “Patriot Act,”

*Refusal to restore habeas corpus

*Expanded surveillance of American and foreign citizens.  
*ZERO prosecutions of white collar criminals.   CitiGroup, and others, were caught, red-handed, laundering billions of dollars for drug cartels and not only was no one arrested, they only had to pay fines amounting to less than 1% of the comissions they made off these transactions.

I could go on for days but, at this point, why even bother?  You are being played.  You are being manipulated.  You are allowing blood-soaked, war mongering, corporate shills to do as they please so long as they belong to the identical political party of your choosing while condemning the exact same (and often less egregious) actions from the other and throwing words like “Hitleresque” around.  Take a pill, dude.



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You missed my point. I'm not claiming and I'd be the last person to claim there's such a thing as an honest politician, including Obama. I'm saying that what he and our FCC did in 2015 was best for our country, regardless of his or anyone else's politics or desire for vindictiveness. And it was done, again, with overwhelming popular support. So the harder Trump and the R's attack net neutrality, in the face of this popular support, the only damage they're doing is to themselves. None of this has anything to do with Obama. It's one more thing that apparently no one has ever explained to Trump: the American people don't take kindly to leaders who put their own egos before the best interest of our country, and even before the constitutional rights of the people who elect them to office and pay their salaries. The R's will be reminded of these realities in November.

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Obama, at absolute best, punted on net neutrality much as he did on private prisons:  doing nothing for eight straight years and then making a meaningless gesture at the 11th hour while his stuff was being packed.  The DNC and RNC serve the same masters, take the same people's money, and have the same ultimate goals and each is the most guilty of everything they constantly accusing the other of.  Throwing out the "Hitler" stuff shuts down any meaningful discussion and is, frankly, pretty cringe.



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In your opinion. Mine is that no substantive differences whatsoever remain between our current federal government and Nazi Germany. Except for gas chambers. It's true from the collapse of our Constitution to our "foreign policy" of military invasion and occupation. Constant war and threat of war. The Great Satan rising one last time before final expulsion from our planet. It might sound melodramatic but every day presents new evidence of it in my view. Yesterday's example: I managed to live long enough to see Lady Liberty entirely prostrated with her ankles in the air before the PRC's new permanent king:

https://www.reuters....n-idUSKCN1IK0PM

Instead of moving to properly limit the free market to free countries, we've been reduced to begging totalitarian Communists to please buy our exports. Pretty please. They wouldn't even commit to Trump's $200 billion request, and even if they had, it would have simply reduced their obscene "trade surplus" with our free country from $335B a year to $135B. It would have been another artificial and extremely short-lived blip for our economy, followed by another 20 years of vertical charts.

We've arrived at the final stages of the collapsed global free market: our federal government now hand-picks the "winners" of this U.S.-PRC abomination, and every "win" is abject treason.

Edited by TheMastersSon, 22 May 2018 - 09:05 PM.


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I didn't vote for Trump, but it's tiresome just how irrational the media (and it's listeners) are about him. No one wants to hear grown people whine. Not me anyways. Besides, the sky isn't falling yet. He's definitely got character issues, but it doesn't help if you go overboard about him.


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I didn't vote for Trump, but it's tiresome just how irrational the media (and it's listeners) are about him. No one wants to hear grown people whine. Not me anyways. Besides, the sky isn't falling yet. He's definitely got character issues, but it doesn't help if you go overboard about him.

Just in the past week Trump has intentionally shut down all negotiations and existing peace plans with both North Korea and Iran. John Bolton strikes again. He's never been elected to a public office in his entire life yet has absolutely no problem sending countless thousands of other people's kids to their deaths, to fight for Halliburton and ExxonMobil.

The sky won't be falling for most Americans until it actually does. It's what happened in Ger... oh forget it. ;)

Edited by TheMastersSon, 26 May 2018 - 01:57 PM.


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I didn't vote for Trump, but it's tiresome just how irrational the media (and it's listeners) are about him. No one wants to hear grown people whine. Not me anyways. Besides, the sky isn't falling yet. He's definitely got character issues, but it doesn't help if you go overboard about him.

Just in the past week Trump has intentionally shut down all negotiations and existing peace plans with both North Korea and Iran. John Bolton strikes again. He's never been elected to a public office in his entire life yet has absolutely no problem sending countless thousands of other people's kids to their deaths, to fight for Halliburton and ExxonMobil.

The sky won't be falling for most Americans until it actually does. It's what happened in Ger... oh forget it. :wink:

 

 

That's not Bolton, I think. It's Trump. He's not a neocon, and Bolton is a tool rather than the other way around.

 

He's just signaling that NK needs the world/the US rather than vice versa. They've operated for a long time thinking they have leverage and use it to their advantage every time. Korea thinks that Americans are timid and can get what they want just by presenting the mere specter of War. And they're partly correct. It's worked for them time and time again. It's how they've made deals with the likes of Clinton and Carter. Trump doesn't work like them. It seems that NK realized this, but soon forgot. 



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I didn't vote for Trump, but it's tiresome just how irrational the media (and it's listeners) are about him. No one wants to hear grown people whine. Not me anyways. Besides, the sky isn't falling yet. He's definitely got character issues, but it doesn't help if you go overboard about him.

Just in the past week Trump has intentionally shut down all negotiations and existing peace plans with both North Korea and Iran. John Bolton strikes again. He's never been elected to a public office in his entire life yet has absolutely no problem sending countless thousands of other people's kids to their deaths, to fight for Halliburton and ExxonMobil.

The sky won't be falling for most Americans until it actually does. It's what happened in Ger... oh forget it. :wink:

 

What is the point of talks with NK in any event? Not like we haven't talked to them before, gave concessions, reached an agreement, only to have it broken in six months. This is standard procedure for NK. Belligerence, talks, concessions, good for a little while, then, right back to belligerence. We have seen this MANY times. It ALWAYS goes the EXACT same way. Why on earth would you expect this time to be any different??



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I didn't vote for Trump, but it's tiresome just how irrational the media (and it's listeners) are about him. No one wants to hear grown people whine. Not me anyways. Besides, the sky isn't falling yet. He's definitely got character issues, but it doesn't help if you go overboard about him.

Just in the past week Trump has intentionally shut down all negotiations and existing peace plans with both North Korea and Iran. John Bolton strikes again. He's never been elected to a public office in his entire life yet has absolutely no problem sending countless thousands of other people's kids to their deaths, to fight for Halliburton and ExxonMobil.

The sky won't be falling for most Americans until it actually does. It's what happened in Ger... oh forget it. :wink:

 

What is the point of talks with NK in any event? Not like we haven't talked to them before, gave concessions, reached an agreement, only to have it broken in six months. This is standard procedure for NK. Belligerence, talks, concessions, good for a little while, then, right back to belligerence. We have seen this MANY times. It ALWAYS goes the EXACT same way. Why on earth would you expect this time to be any different??

 

 

It's a good question. The main good thing that would come out of it is for SK and JP mostly.. and the US further holding influence in that part of the Pacific (as opposed to China).

 

I hate to say it, but the people of NK themselves are secondary. It would be GREAT to do something that benefits them, but that's not the main goal, I think. And what the Kims (Son/Father/Grandfather) know is that they can't really coexist in this scheme. They sit fat on top of the hill and thrive on being like gods to their people. There's little reason they'd ever want to change that. They're nowhere close to some other despots in history, who felt a threat from their own people either. Sometimes you could convince these types to leave by giving them refuge somewhere. But from what I can tell, North Korea is completely normalized. So the Kims have little to fear. I don't know what you could really do to convince that Peace is truly for their benefit. 






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