CTD a lot - Save my Load Order

[hielkeskyrim]

Thank you for your replies! They are truly helpful.

 

Today I finally finished downloading and installing all mods that I want (quite a lot) except for the NPC mods. I will spend the rest of today testing, optimizing and adjusting load order. When I reach the moment that I think my game runs absolutely stable, I will give your advice a go and install some NPC mods.

 

One quick questions tho: I really like the Brows and Beards mods. Brows being Skyrim Non-SE and Beards being SE. I imagine those do not work well with face and skin overhauls although I suppose they should be? Would you recommend trying them out or leaving them for the time being?

[QuagaarWarrior]

Install one npc mod/overhaul at a time, jump into the game and check out a few NPCs.

I have a stack of npc mods in my load order that I can post if you like.

Beards and brows shouldnt make things look weird but just try it with and without.

Tip: if you do not want the extra brows and beards and just want to use them as texture replacer you can delete the esp from your load order

[hielkeskyrim]

That's a good tip, than you QuagaarWarrior.

 

My game runs very nice and survived my stress tests so I am going to add NPC mods. I have just installed Men of Winter only and Ulfric already has a brown face!! ARGGHH. So it cannot be a load order issue.

 

Do you guys recommend a guide/video on how to make a patch through xEdit?

[QuagaarWarrior]

Keep in mind it isnât men of winter causing it in isolation. It will be the way men of winter interacts with another mod that affects that NPC.

You could post your load order so we can take a look.

[hielkeskyrim]

I am having an even weirder problem now. I deleted the Ulfric record in the Men of Winter through SSEedit and the face is still brown. Then, I deactivated the mod entirely to see how Ulfric would look without the mod. But now I cant get my Bashed Patch to work again. No matter how often I try to 'rebuild patch', the Men of Winter stays listed as a master. WHY? This didn't used to be the case with NMM (I am using MO2).

 

All plugins:

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
FNIS.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
Vivid WeathersSE.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
DustEffectsSSE.esp
SparklesSE.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Volkihar Knight.esp
Volkihar Knight - Light Armor Option.esp
ArcherCuirassUltimate.esp
Wandererarmor.esp
Ark_Battlemage.esp
Better Shrouded Armour - SSE.esp
Simple AUA.esp
iNeed.esp
iNeed - Extended.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
InnCredible.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
3DNPC.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
MoreColorfulCritters.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
Blues Skyrim.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp
JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp
Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
JKs_Skyrim_No_Lights_Patch.esp
SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
EconomyOverhaulandSpeechcraftImprovements.esp
Eli_Breezehome.esp
OpulentThievesGuild.esp
Man Those Borders!.esp
ancient watchtowers.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Point The Way.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Animal Tweaks.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
SkyrimIsWindy.esp
SkyrimIsWindy-SimplyBiggerTreesSE-Patch.esp
ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp
HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp
SkyrimIsWindy-HarvestOverhaul-Patch.esp
HOR_OrdinatorPatch.esp
DCR_KingCrusaderMegaPack_SSE.esp
Laundry.esp
CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp
EconomyOverhaulandDawnofSkyrimPatch.esp
JKs Skyrim_No Snow Under the Roof_Patch.esp
Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
Cloaks.esp
fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
EmbersHD.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
HarvestOverhaul_Redone_Creatures.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Resilient Dragons.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
Animal Tweaks - SkyTEST Patch.esp
ProperBeastSizes.esp
VioLens SE.esp
Lethal Traps.esp
NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
Realistic Melee Range.esp
Mortal Enemies Patch - Realistic Animals Predators.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
TKDodge.esp
FNISSexyMove.esp
SoS_VividWeathers_Patch.esp
ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
fastermining3-3.esp
ABT SE - Faster Arrows Improved.esp
ABT SE - Faster Bolts Improved.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
MLU - Immersive Weapons.esp
ABT SE - Loot Ammo.esp
TorchArrow.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
ABT SE - Merchants Arrows.esp
ABT SE - Progressive Damage.esp
ABT SE - Recover Ammo.esp
ABT SE - Renamed Bolts.esp
Realistic-Voice.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
iNeed Bruma Water Patch.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Eli_Halla.esp
Eli_Routa.esp
InnCredible_3DNPC_Patch.esp
Eli_Ruska.esp
notice board.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
CollegeStudents.esp
Footprints.esp
ICOW_MOW_Patch.esp
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Spells Emit Light - Dim.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
FireBurns.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
DivinePunishmentForArrowsToTheKnee.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
SkyHUD.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
CL BladeofSacrifice.esp
CL Nettlebane.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp
CFTO.esp
SoS_ELFX+Enhancer_Patch.esp
CFTO-JK-Patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp
EEKs Whiterun Interiors.esp
EEKs Whiterun Int - ICAIO patch v1.3.esp
PCE - Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch.esp
PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp
PCE - ELFXEnhancer Patch.esp
PCE - USSEP Patch.esp
MLU.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
MLU - Ars Metallica Patch.esp
MLU - Immersive Armors.esp
MLU - Improved Closefaced Helmets.esp
MLU - Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
MLU - Summermyst.esp
MLU - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
EconomyOverhaulandMorrowLootUltimatepatch.esp
EconomyOverhaulandOrdinatorPatch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
PCE - RDO Patch.esp
Bruma - Alternate Start.esp
EEKs Whiterun Int - Alternative Start patch v1.3.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo+-+Verdant+Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - FlowingLakes.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp
JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

Mod list (all Mods alphabetical):

 

#Mod_Name
"1st Person Candlelight Fix"
"360 Walk and Run Plus"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normal map - Whiterun"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - Bridges"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - High Hrothgar"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - Landscape with FIX"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - Markarth"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - Riften"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - Roads 1.1"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - Solitude"
"4K Diffuse 2K Normalmap - Windhelm"
"4K Dragon Priest Masks of Immersion"
"A dentist for Orsimers - HD teeth retexture"
"A Quality World Map"
"ABT SE - Arrows and Bolts Tweaks Special Edition"
"Acquisitive Soul Gems Multithreaded"
"Alternate Start - Bruma Patch"
"Alternate Start - Live Another Life"
"aMidianBorn Blades Armor SSE Patch"
"aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors"
"aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons"
"Ancient Watch Towers"
"Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim"
"Animal Tweaks"
"Animal Tweaks - SkyTEST Patch"
"Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim"
"Apocalypse - Ordinator Patch"
"Ars Metallica - Smithing Enhancement"
"Bandolier - Bags and Pouches Classic"
"Battle Mage Armor - Requires aMidianBorn"
"Beautiful Boats Of Skyrim - 2K"
"Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack"
"Better Dialogue Controls"
"Better Dynamic Snow"
"Better MessageBox Controls"
"Better Shape Creature"
"Better Shrouded Armour - SSE"
"Beyond Skyrim Bruma SE"
"Book Covers Skyrim SE - Original"
"Bowlegged jump animation fix"
"Breezehome"
"Burned Book 4K"
"Carriage and Ferry Travel Overhaul"
"CC's Enhanced Ore Veins SSE - 4K - 6.2"
"CC's HQ Barset - 4K"
"CC's HQ Carts - 4K"
"CC's HQ Caves - 4K - 1.1"
"CC's HQ Mines - 1.2 - 4K"
"CC's HQ Roadsigns SSE - AIO - 3.0"
"CC’s HQ Guard Shields SSE - 2K - 1.4"
"CL's Daedric Weapon Replacer - Merged all 3"
"Cloaks of Skyrim SSE"
"D13 Faster Get Up Stand Up SSE"
"Dawn of Skyrim (Director's Cut) SE"
"DCR - King Crusader Mega Pack"
"Deadly Spell Impacts"
"Designs of the Nords"
"Diverse Dragons Collection SE"
"Divine Punishment for Mention of Arrows in the Knee"
"DLC: Dawnguard"
"DLC: Dragonborn"
"DLC: HearthFires"
"Dragon Animation Replace"
"Dragon.Priest.by.Kajuan"
"Draugr.by.Kajuan"
"Dust Effects SSE"
"Economy Overhaul - Dawn of Skyrim SSE Patch"
"Economy Overhaul - Morrowloot Ultimate Patch"
"Economy Overhaul - Ordinator Patch"
"Economy Overhaul and Speechcraft Improvements"
"EEKs Whiterun Int - Alternate Start patch"
"EEKs Whiterun Int - ICAIO patch"
"EEKs Whiterun Interiors SSE"
"ELECTRIFY S.E"
"Embers HD"
"Enhanced Blood Textures"
"Enhanced Lights and FX"
"Enhanced Textures Detail (UV-tweaks)"
"ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition - 2K"
"Falmer.by.Kajuan"
"Farmhouse Door 3D"
"Faster Mining Plus SE"
"Floating Damage for skse64 2.0.7"
"FNIS Overwrite Files - All in one"
"FNIS Sexy Move SE"
"Footprints"
"Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS SE"
"Forgotten Retex Project"
"Frozen Electrocuted Combustion"
"Gemling Queen Jewelry SE"
"Giant.by.Kajuan"
"Glorious Dwarven Metal USSEP Safe"
"Greatsword Sheaths and Scabbards Redux SE"
"Gruesome Death Hound"
"Hagraven.by.Kajuan"
"Halla - A Whiterun Player Home"
"Harvest Overhaul Redone - Ordinator Patch"
"Harvest Overhaul Redone - Plants and Creatures"
"HD dawnguard armor 2k"
"HD Photorealistic Ivy"
"High Poly Project"
"Hold Border Banners"
"Horncandles.by.Kajuan"
"HQ Paper"
"HQ Tree Bark"
"Hunter Archer Armor"
"Hunterborn"
"Idyllic Farmhouses - 2k"
"Immersive Armors"
"Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul"
"Immersive College NPCs"
"Immersive College of Winterhold"
"Immersive Fallen Trees SSE"
"Immersive Laundry"
"Immersive Patrols SE"
"Immersive Sounds - Compendium"
"Immersive Weapons"
"Imperial Sword 4K"
"Imperious - Races of Skyrim"
"Improved closefaced helmets"
"Improved Weapon Impact effects - Correct Metal SE"
"iNeed - Food, Water and Sleep"
"InnCredible"
"InnCredible - 3DNPC Patch"
"Interesting NPCs SSE 3.42"
"ISC - Enhanced Blood Textures Patch"
"JK's Skyrim - Dawn of Skyrim - Patch"
"JK's Skyrim - No Snow Under the Roof Patch"
"JK's Skyrim all in one"
"JK's Skyrim No Lights Patch"
"JK's Skyrim SE - CFTO Carriages and Ferry Travel Patch"
"JK's Skyrim SE - Realistic Water Two Patch"
"JK's Skyrim SE Immersive Laundry replacer esp"
"Just Ice 2k"
"Key Bindable Dual Wield Blocking and Parrying"
"Lanterns of Skyrim SE"
"LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer"
"LeanWolf's Improved Enchanter Candle Meshes SE"
"Leather details and other things"
"Lethal Traps"
"LH's Chopping Execution Block HD 2K-4K"
"Lock o Motion - Wooden Thrill"
"Lore Weapon Expansion SE"
"Magic Casting Animations Overhaul SSE"
"Majestic Mountains"
"Mammoth.by.Kajuan"
"Man Those Borders SSE"
"More Colorful Critters SE"
"moreHUD SE"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate - Ars Metallica Patch"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate - Immersive Armors Patch"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate - Immersive Weapons Patch"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate - Improved Closefased Helmets Patch"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate - Lore Weapon Expansion Patch"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate - Summermyst Patch"
"MorrowLoot Ultimate - Uique Uniques Patch"
"Mortal Enemies SE"
"Mortal Enemies SE Patch - Realistic Animals Predators Patch"
"No BS AI Projectile Dodge"
"No More Glowing Weapons Mod"
"No snow under the roof"
"No Spinning Death Animation"
"Nordic Snow (aka HQ Snow Texture)"
"Obsidian Mountain Fogs"
"Opulent Thieves Guild"
"Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim"
"Ordinator Beyond Skyrim Patch"
"Overwrite Junk Folder - Should be enabled"
"Palaces and Castles Enhanced SSE"
"PC Head Tracking and Voice Type SE"
"PCA 1hm Overhaul_SSE"
"PELTAPALOOZA - Special Edition - 2K"
"Point The Way"
"Pretty Combat Animations SSE 1.376"
"Proper Beast Sizes"
"R's Windmill"
"Real Bows"
"Realistic AI Detection SE (better sneaking)"
"Realistic Aspen Trees SE"
"Realistic Conversations"
"Realistic Melee Range"
"Realistic Ragdolls and Force"
"Realistic Water Two"
"RealisticWaterTwo - Verdant Patch"
"Relationship Dialogue Overhaul - RDO SE"
"Resilient Dragons"
"Routa - Stormcloak and Warrior cabin"
"RUGNAROK - Special Edition - 2K"
"Ruins Clutter Improved SE"
"Ruska - Riften Player Home"
"RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition"
"RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION - Special Edition - 2K-1K"
"RUSTIC COOKING - Special Edition - 2K"
"RUSTIC ELDERSCROLL - 4K"
"RUSTIC NOBLE FURNITURE - SSE - SMIM - 2K"
"RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Special Edition - 2K Sorted"
"RUSTIC WINDOWS - Special Edition - 2K"
"SABRECAT.by.Kajuan"
"SBT_mosspatch_2.0-Cleaned"
"Sekmet Shadowmarks 1K"
"ShowRaceMenu Alternative"
"Simple Auto Unequip Ammo"
"Simply Bigger Trees SE (Realistic Aspen Trees - Loose)"
"Simply Knock SE"
"Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.4k"
"skse64_2_00_07_scripts"
"SkyHUD"
"Skyland - Standing Stones"
"Skyrim Better Roads"
"Skyrim Flora Overhaul SE - Trees Only"
"Skyrim Is Windy"
"Skyrim Is Windy - Harvest Overhaul Patch"
"Skyrim Is Windy - Simply Bigger Trees Patch"
"SkyTEST - Realistic Animals and Predators"
"SkyUI"
"Sounds of Skyrim Complete SE"
"Sovngarde - Mist's Font Replacer"
"Spells Emit Light"
"Sprint Jump SSE"
"SSE Fixes"
"SSE High Quality Music"
"SSE High Quality Voices (Part 1 of 4)"
"SSE High Quality Voices (Part 2 of 4)"
"SSE High Quality Voices (Part 3 of 4)"
"SSE High Quality Voices (Part 4 of 4)"
"SSE Uncapper DDLPlugins"
"Staff of Magnus HD"
"Static Mesh Improvement Mod"
"Stunning Statues of Skyrim"
"Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim"
"The Notice Board SE"
"Thieves Guild Armor HD revival 2k"
"TK Dodge SE"
"Torch Arrows and Bolts"
"Training Dummies 2k"
"Troll.by.Kajuan"
"True HD Nightingale"
"tundragrassobj02 yellow"
"Ultimate HD Fire Effects - Ultra - Non SE"
"Ultimate Noble Beds"
"Unique Uniques SE"
"Unmanaged: Bashed Patch, 0"
"Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch"
"Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin"
"VioLens - A Killmove Mod SE"
"Vivid Weathers - Definitive Edition"
"Volkihar Knight - Vampire Armor"
"Wanderer Cuirass"
"Wearable Lanterns"
"Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim"
"Winter Is Coming SSE - Cloaks"
"Wispmother.by.Kajuan"
"XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"

 

 

EDIT:

Okay, fixed that. ICOW_MOW_Patch.esp was to blame. But now I'm having another question. How do you delete a plugin form the plugin tab? I have reinstalled Immersive College of Winterhold (ICOW) to not include the MOW_Patch, but the plugin stays in the plugin tab, issnt that weird?

 

EDIT2:

Sorry, I'm noobing. I should replace after reinstalling instead of merging... Still new to MO2. So back to the Men of Winter issue, I have moved it to the very last spot in my load order, still brown face! So I am going to need a patch of some kind.

[QuagaarWarrior]

Just indulge me for a second....try disabling completely (in the left pane of MO2) your cloaks of Skyrim mod and testing it - see if he still has the black face issue. Preferably test it on a new game using Alternate Start mod.

You may need to disable your bash patch temporarily while you test it

Edited May 30, 2018 by QuagaarWarrior

[hielkeskyrim]

Did just that, exactly as you said. Still the brown face bug, unfortunately.

 

Explain me one thing, If I delete Ulfric's records in xEdit for Men of Winter, how is it possible to still conflict? I mean the mod technically has no records for Ulfric anymore.

[BlueGunk]

The mod might not - but if you saved the game it might be burnt into that?

[QuagaarWarrior]

If the OP starts a new game each time as recommended then nothing should be burnt in.

My NPC mods in load order (left pane of MO2)

KS hairdos

Immersive KS hairdos

Total character makeover

Feminine khajiit textures

Feminine argonian textures

Masculine khajiit textures (plus neck fix)

Masculine argonian textures

Skysight skins

UNP Blessed body

Mature skin 2

Bed head and ultra matte replacer

Beards

Improved bards

Men of winter

Bijin NPCs

Bijin warmaidens

Bijin wives

Seranaholic

Valerica

Bijin AIO

True meeko

RS Children

Salt and wind - KS Hairdos

Salt and wind - Bijin

 

None of the NPCs i have encountered so far have any problems

[hielkeskyrim]

How do you copy mods in the left pane of MO2? I've added some new NPC mods, very similar to your list. Would be nice if you could take a look at those.

 

EDIT:

I'll type them out (in the order of the left pane)

- UNP Female Body Renewal

- Brows

- Beards

- The Ordinary Woman

- Hallgarth's Additional (Vanilla) Hair

- Masculine Khajit Textures

- Masculine Argonian Textures

- Feminine Khajit Textures

- Feminine Argonian Textures

- Tempered Skins for Males

- Bijin NPCs SE

- Bijin Warmaidens SE

- Bijin Wives SE

- Bijin All in One

- RS Children

 

This is my current plugin load order (copied it from various mod authors)

154 - Brows

155 - Beards

156 - Hallgarth's Additional (Vanilla) Hair

157 - The Ordinary Woman

158 - Bijin Wives SE

159 - Bijin NPCs SE

160 - Bijin Warmaidens SE

161 - Bijin All in One

 

I deleted Men of Winter for now, I was thinking of adding Men of winter Anyway and then adding another Ulfic mod on top of it to remove the Brown face. When I add MOW and add Ulfric the Special (link down below) to my load order and overwrite MOW, the brown face disappears. However, I do not like how Ulfric looks now..... -.-' Seems there is no winning here.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/7301

 

EDIT2:

This seems to not be the case anymore. No matter what Ulfric Mod I download, the appearance stays the same, even after loading the new mod + plugin after Men of Winter.

 

EDIT3:

I even tried making a patch from the skyrim.esm Ulfric lines, overwriting Men of Winter, no effect. It seems that Men of Winter is extremely dominant.