CTD after EXACTLY one minute of gameplay, Wtf ?

[nini700]

Hi guys ! First, sorry if I do some english mistakes, I'm french :smile:. That's my first time posting here. I hate asking for help, I mean, if I try and solve my problems myself, I will save time to kind peoples that would try to help me.

Anyway, here's my problem :

 

I did a step-by-step installation, everytime trying adding a few mods and testing the stability, stable 60fps everytime, everything working fine.

 

So after installing like 200mods I had the feeling I hadenough mods and started playing.

I played at least 3 hours and got what, 2 ~ 3 random CTDs.

 

 

Buuuut in some areas, my game crash after exactly one minute after the save loading.

If I'm outside, no problem.

If I go inside, I crash after a few seconds.

If I load a game saved into the area, I crash after one perfect minute.

If I leave the area, I crash after one minute of gameplay too.

It's like those areas trigger a script that after one minutes makes my game crash. Idk maybe some kind of a script that executes every one minute fixed time ? (explaining why upon entering the area, the countdown is always less than one minute)

The areas that made me crash are (I don't think there is only those areas but that the ones I encountered) :

-Korvanjund Crypt (Stormcloak side, Trying to get the bone crown I think)

-Deadland (into Forgotten Rivertomb, from the mod Forgotten Dungeons) which has only draugr enemies. (you can see here https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/449)

-Ustengrav (I dont remember well where though)

-Inside Whiterun during the war (Stormcloak side)

 

I would reaally appreciate if this damn game had a crash report seriously. I know how to read logs, I can solve problems with logs. But I'm blindfolded here ! And papyrus log does not even helps !

 

My computer's config :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/31/7/1533488420-my-config.png

 

My Mod Organizer mod list :

 

 

 

 

My load order :

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

254 FE 0 AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl

6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

7 7 SkyMoMod.esm

8 8 Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm

9 9 Ducks and Swans.esp

10 a SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

11 b Cutting Room Floor.esp

12 c YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp

13 d AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp

14 e UIExtensions.esp

15 f AddItemMenuSE.esp

16 10 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

17 11 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

18 12 JKs Skyrim.esp

19 13 MoreColorfulCritters.esp

20 14 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

21 15 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

22 16 Immersive Jewelry.esp

23 17 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

24 18 Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esp

25 19 Beasts of Tamriel.esp

26 1a Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp

27 1b High Level Enemies.esp

28 1c OBIS SE.esp

29 1d Phenderix Magic World.esp

30 1e skyBirds_SSE.esp

31 1f BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp

32 20 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

33 21 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

34 22 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

35 23 Training Dummies XP.esp

36 24 SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp

37 25 BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp

38 26 Immersive Encounters.esp

39 27 ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp

40 28 Solitude Arena.esp

41 29 SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp

42 2a Immersive Wenches.esp

43 2b WZOblivionArtifacts.esp

44 2c YurianaWench.esp

45 2d Trees in Cities.esp

46 2e Tomebound.esp

47 2f Shor's Stone.esp

48 30 Immersive Patrols II.esp

49 31 MistySkye.esp

50 32 Colorful_Magic_SE.esp

51 33 Joy of Perspective.esp

52 34 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp

53 35 Skyshards.esp

54 36 Ivarstead.esp

55 37 Kynesgrove.esp

56 38 PatronGodsOfSkyrim.esp

57 39 Whistling Mine.esp

58 3a Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

59 3b Soljund's Sinkhole.esp

60 3c Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp

61 3d Rorikstead.esp

62 3e Dragon Bridge.esp

63 3f LABikiniSSE.esp

64 40 notice board.esp

65 41 LADX_SSE.esp

66 42 Follower Neisa.esp

67 43 PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp

68 44 amelia_rose_v3.esp

69 45 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

70 46 Missives.esp

71 47 Ravengate.esp

72 48 DestructibleDisplayCases.esp

73 49 JKs Skyrim_Thunderchild_Patch.esp

74 4a OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp

75 4b Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

76 4c Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp

77 4d Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

78 4e Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp

79 4f Immersive Weapons.esp

80 50 Bijin_AIO 2018.esp

81 51 Book of UUNP - Textures.esp

82 52 CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp

83 53 Celestine.esp

84 54 Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp

85 55 Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_SE.esp

86 56 CharacterMakingExtender.esp

87 57 Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp

88 58 Customizable Camera.esp

89 59 CWICRFSEPatch.esp

90 5a CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp

91 5b Deadly Wenches.esp

92 5c DibellasCompulsion-NudeSpell-1-1.esp

93 5d Dolomite Weathers.esp

94 5e Dr_Bandolier.esp

95 5f Facelight.esp

96 60 Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp

97 61 fastermining6-6.esp

98 62 FireBurns.esp

99 63 FNIS.esp

100 64 ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

101 65 FreyaFollower.esp

102 66 GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

103 67 HelmetToggle.esp

104 68 Heybaby_Follower_Jenny.esp

105 69 Heybaby_Follower_Olivia.esp

106 6a High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

107 6b High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp

108 6c honedmetal.esp

109 6d Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

110 6e iHUD.esp

111 6f J42_ArmorRatingRedux.esp

112 70 KS Hairdo's.esp

113 71 KS Jewelry.esp

114 72 LazyTools.esp

115 73 LeftHandRings.esp

116 74 LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp

117 75 Minazuki.esp

118 76 NARC SE for Vanilla.esp

119 77 NARC SE patch - SIC.esp

120 78 No NPC Greetings.esp

121 79 OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

122 7a OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp

123 7b OthersDaughter.esp

124 7c PassiveWeaponEnchantmentRecharging.esp

125 7d Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp

126 7e Pickpocket100Chance.esp

127 7f ShadowSpellPackage.esp

128 80 Shino Bikini Pack SSE.esp

129 81 Simple AUA.esp

130 82 SimplyKnock.esp

131 83 SkyUI_SE.esp

132 84 STFU.esp

133 85 STFUbitch.esp

134 86 SubsurfaceScatteringShader.esp

135 87 TERAArmorsSSE.esp

136 88 TeraArmorsSSE Leveled Lists Rare.esp

137 89 TeraArmorsSSE RARE USSEP Patch.esp

138 8a ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp

139 8b Training Dummies XP Dawnguard.esp

140 8c TrueStormsSE.esp

141 8d UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp

142 8e VioLens SE.esp

143 8f VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp

144 90 XPMSE.esp

145 91 YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp

146 92 YunDao_Hdt_Hair.esp

147 93 Headcrab_BunnyOutfit.esp

148 94 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

149 95 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

150 96 RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

151 97 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

152 98 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

153 99 RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp

154 9a Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

 

 

 

I use SKSE64 2.0.7 (though the dll isnt named that way), and here is a screenshot of my skyrim folder :

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/31/7/1533484576-skyrimfolder.png

I also use Nyclix's ENB-Reshade without the ENB's DoF and Verdant plugin. (link https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/3352)

 

I tried giving you the papyrus log but for no apparent reasons I does not seem to work anymore. It was disabled, I enabled it only for this topic but it seems it'll have to wait for a request.

 

A really fun thing is that saving & loading resets the countdown. So I can play if I reload my game every 50 seconds lmfao. Also, when I tried, for like, the 20th time, the game was running fine until 3:36 of gametime. Idk why. 21th time was 1:15. I think the problem might be battle-related because all my tests were only in battle. Those two were just me, standing at the entrance of the area before initiating a fight. So maybe it's some monster-related-mod that causes the crash ? I tried to disable them but when I do my save wont load so I cant try.

 

I really hope some kind souls could help me. Thanks in advance, Nini700.

Edited August 5, 2018 by nini700

[jjb54]

1 Question, and please no flame posts, please.

 

Are you using Script Extender 64?

 

I know a good number of people that are still having issues with it, me being one of them. I simply have chosen for the time, to not use it, in part your reason that you posted.

 

Reason being is yes, SOME mods are using it now and more are not using it yet. I have 4 major Mods that I am looking to see when they put their mods on SE SKSE64. Other wise I'm not touch it yet.

 

I have too many mods that are not using it, but encounter issues and CTD's because SKSE 64 was there and trying to access it.

 

I'll respond more, after I see if you are using SKSE 64 or not?

 

I do feel your frustration as many of us have been there.

[nini700]

First, thank you for your answer ! And yes, I do. I use SkyUI, Jump on sprint, simple auto unequip ammo, Enhanced Character Edit, and other mods that require SKSE64 so it is a must have for me. I edited my post and added a screenshot of my skyrim folder so you can see the DLLs added to my exe and the fact I use SKSE64.

I also added the fact I use Nyclix's ENB Reshade.

Edited August 5, 2018 by nini700

[jjb54]

First, thank you for your answer ! And yes, I do. I use SkyUI, Jump on sprint, simple auto unequip ammo, Enhanced Character Edit, and other mods that require SKSE64 so it is a must have for me. I edited my post and added a screenshot of my skyrim folder so you can see the DLLs added to my exe and the fact I use SKSE64.

 

Okay, well there might be a work around:

 

1. I am not familiar with a few of your mods.

 

... So specifically, are there any mods that affect the specific cells that you get the CTD?

 

2. I have 260 Mods running on my game and it's running fine, because my system can indeed handle them.

• So my question is, 200 MODS is indeed A LOT, and the question is:

............... Can your system handle 200 MODS?

 

I know a few of my friends thought their systems could handle 180 +, only to find out their system had to go under the 160 +/- mods.

 

3. It could also be, that you have some mods that are not " user friendly " ( yet ) with SKSE 64. As, again, I know I have a number 25+ mods that are NOT yet " friendly " with SKSE 64. So I bailed on SKSE 64, for now.

 

It might be, you have to save JUST BEFORE you know when the CTD will happen and maybe the game will continue?

[nini700]

I didnt realized my config wasnt correctly shown on my post. I changed that : https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/31/7/1533488420-my-config.png

I have a GTX 1080ti GPU, an i7 2700k 3.5ghz CPU, 24Gb of RAM, I think this is enough :/ (maybe I shouldnt mix 2 8gb ram with 2 4gb ram, idk)

 

If I knew a mod that affects the areas I got the crash, I'd already tried to remove it but the areas just dont have anything in common. Today I continued playing and got the same crash outside, fighting a spriggan at falkreath's west forest. There is no draugr outside ..

 

What kind of mod could be not user friendly with SKSE ?

 

and nope, if I save right before the CTD, I crash, if I save then load juuust before the CTD, I still crash 1 minute after the loading :/

 

EDIT : Also, I have cleaned a lot of mod and i'm down to 179 compared to the first time I got the crash on my first playthrough. (I did NOT removed mods and continued playing. I started a fresh playthrough after cleaning mods)

Edited August 5, 2018 by nini700

[nini700]

Ok so I tried to start skyrim without SKSE and the CTD was gone. I think you're right, the problem comes from SKSE. Now the question is which SKSE-dependent plugin is doing that. I'm currently trying to disable each SKSE plugin one by one.

 

Edit : I think hdtSSEFramework & hdtSSEPhysics are guilty. I'll play without them and I will update if there is no more CTDs :smile:

Edit2 : CTDs again. I re-tried the Deadlands and it worked but now it crashes again. So the problem is still here.

Edited August 5, 2018 by nini700

[nini700]

Today I noticed that XPMSE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1988?tab=description changed. He doesnt require SKEE anymore for enhanced character edit but some Racemenu's BSA resources extracted instead. Since I updated it, no more crashes. I'll bump this thread if it occurs again.

 

Edit : After a few hours of gameplay, the same crash still hapens. That's getting boring = _ = "

Edit2 : I mean, it's not just a bug. It's a random bug. I cant even test it for sure

Edited August 6, 2018 by nini700

[Xadhom]

i had also problem with CTD after 1 min, for me it was some problem with immersive encounters, i don't know what conflict it was, i simply disabled it. but as it runs fine on a different load order for VR, i think it is not it really a problem with immersive encounters but a mod conflict that caused the CTD.

[Gidelix]

Getting the same problem, uninstalling hdt-smp didn't do the trick for me either. Maybe gave a look at my topic and check for similarities? Haven't gotten any answers over there yet, but it's from yesterday evening so I'll try and stay optimistic.

[nini700]

I disabled SKEE (skse64plugins) and NetImmerseOverride and no more crashes since then. I really think it does come from XPMS or one thing related to it.