CTD when main menu starts loading

[TheUUolf]

When i start up the game and the imperial logo appears along with the loading wheel the game crashes after like a second. I sorted my load order and checked for patches but it still crashes, i have a couple of dirty esp's and esm's but i don't know if that is what is causing the problem.

Here is my load order

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
TerrainLodRedone.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
FNIS.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
Snazzy Furniture and Clutter Overhaul.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp
SFCO - LotD Patch.esp
Blues Skyrim.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
skyBirds_SSE.esp
marriagemod - alpha v3.esp
Holidays.esp
Tes Arena NorthKeep.esp
Tes Pagran Village.esp
Clockwork.esp
Tes Arena Nimalten.esp
Dwarfsphere.esp
TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Inigo.esp
TES Arena Amol.esp
DBM_Bruma_Patch.esp
DragonfallCastle.esp
fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
Tes Vernim Wood.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
TES DunstadGrove.esp
flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp
Tes Granite Hall.esp
Dawn of Skyrim_Holidays_Patch.esp
DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
Vigilant.esp
Eli_RiverwoodShack.esp
DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
RavenCastle.esp
Darkend.esp
Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp
Bikini Armors.esp
Justice Stalhrim Armor.esp
KKSDGWeightSliderFix.esp
KKSDrBWeightFix.esp
DHuntress.esp
KKFur.esp
FullBootForKKSA.esp
FlameAtronachArmor.esp
Jormundandr Dragon.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp
Vivid WeathersSE.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - AOS Patch.esp
VividWaterFix.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp
Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp
Footprints.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
DustEffectsSSE.esp
ScopedBows_EagleEyeTweak.esp
ScopedBows_ArrowTweaks.esp
RaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
Playable Spriggans.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
BVFE.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
RealRainSEVivid.esp
VWExtendedSnow - WaterFix - Patch.esp
VWExtendedRain - WaterFix - Patch.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
RealisticSpeedMovementWalkingSE.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
WetandCold.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
Skysan_Icicle.esp
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp
SummonShadowMERCHANT.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
ElderOutfit-NoBijin.esp
DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
Killable Children.esp
marriagemod - hf.esp
SFCO - ELFX Patch.esp
dwab.esp
dwbb.esp
Eimar's Edge.esp
Galanterie.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
ScopedBows.esp
LorkhanMoonlightGreatswordPack.esp
tamu75GreatSword.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
DBM_AOS_Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Legacy of the Dragonborn Patch.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Vivid Weathers Patch.esp
WheelsOfLull.esp
DBM_ArtifactsOfBoethiah_Patch.esp
blackreachrailroadnew.esp
Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp
RAO - ELFX Patch.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - Bruma Patch.esp
DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
magic of the magna-ge.esp
Aethernautics.esp
moonpath.esp
DragonLordSwords.esp
ValkyrieSwordShield.esp
Dunmeri Leaf Sword.esp
Nightingale Prime remaster.esp
Fenrir Blades.esp
Vigilant Voiced.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
SFCO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp (disabled because i don't have cutting room floor)
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Realistic Water Two Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

 

Edited September 15, 2018 by TheUUolf

[gromulos]

A crash like this is most definitely a missing master a mod needs or a missing patch file

 

Take note you should be using a bashed patch from Wrye with that load order. I am seeing several mods that either have scripts or leveled lists, a bashed patch will help your game run a LOT smoother with less problems.

 

Helgen Reborn - you have it enabled, as long as you are using Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp, that's fine, just do NOT read the book from the Helgen Reborn mod until AFTER you talk to the Jarl Of Whiterun, Balgruuf.

 

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp should be loading dead last directly above the bashed patch, it says that on the description page for the mod.

 

Take a look at my guide and follow it STEP by STEP. It will help you with your load order, pinpoint any red or orange mods ( this is what is causing your crash ) with Wrye, and lastly Xedit will help you Verify your load order is good to go used along side Wrye

 

IF you have any orange mods you fix them using Appendix 1 from my guide :) - Orange mods are almost always the cause of crashes or freezes, other than red mods.

[TheUUolf]

thanks for your help, im gonna see if this works

[TheUUolf]

i could fix most of the orange plugins except two of them (sfco - alternate start patch and rao - alternate start patch) SSEEdit tells me that it can't load them because they need to be loaded after alternate start - live another life but you told me to leave alternate start - leave another life at the bottom above the bashed patch, should i place them under alternate start's esp? I tried launching the game but it still crashed, are these esp's the problem?

Edited September 15, 2018 by TheUUolf

[gromulos]

should i place them under alternate start's esp?

 

Yes

 

are these esp's the problem?

 

They may be, load them like you need to , THEN, let's find out :)

Edited September 15, 2018 by gromulos

[TheUUolf]

i just placed them under alternate start's esp and it still crashes :/ no orange plugins left... what should i do now? should i clean the dirty plugins?

Edited September 15, 2018 by TheUUolf

[gromulos]

did you make the bashed patch like it says in my guide?

 

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2235394-beginners-guide-to-modding/

[TheUUolf]

yes, there is one thing i should point out, a window pops up when the bashed patch finishes rebuilding, it says this:

 

 

subrecord size = 8
file pos = 711
Error in dwab.esp
dwbb.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save dwbb.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 030041C3
eid = u'1stPersondebbwhip'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 4752
Error in dwbb.esp
Eimar's Edge.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save Eimar's Edge.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 02000D62
eid = u'1stPersonEimarsEdge'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 291
Error in Eimar's Edge.esp
WheelsOfLull.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save WheelsOfLull.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 042A9F96
eid = u'_lull_ramonBall'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 407886
Error in WheelsOfLull.esp
magic of the magna-ge.esp: SPGD.DATA: Expected size == 48, but got: 192
Error loading 'SPGD' record and/or subrecord: 030791E1
eid = u'SV3_Ilmaasi_SPG_NewWorld'
subrecord = 'DATA'
subrecord size = 192
file pos = 256145
Error in magic of the magna-ge.esp
Fenrir Blades.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save Fenrir Blades.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 010012CF
eid = u'BillyroFenrirGreatsword1stPerson'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 537
Error in Fenrir Blades.esp

 

[gromulos]

look for lines in that text that say this

 

"Wrye Bash SSE expects"

 

EVERY one of those mods was not converted correctly for SSE from original Skyrim and may very well be the cause of your problems

 

Like this one below

 

Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save Fenrir Blades.esp with the Skyrim SE CK

 

It's telling you exactly how to fix the mod

 

I'll go through it and everything in red is a problem, and everything in blue will be the fix :)

 

 

 

subrecord size = 8
file pos = 711
Error in dwab.esp
dwbb.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save dwbb.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 030041C3
eid = u'1stPersondebbwhip'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 4752
Error in dwbb.esp
Eimar's Edge.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save Eimar's Edge.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 02000D62
eid = u'1stPersonEimarsEdge'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 291
Error in Eimar's Edge.esp
WheelsOfLull.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save WheelsOfLull.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 042A9F96
eid = u'_lull_ramonBall'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 407886
Error in WheelsOfLull.esp
magic of the magna-ge.esp: SPGD.DATA: Expected size == 48, but got: 192
Error loading 'SPGD' record and/or subrecord: 030791E1
eid = u'SV3_Ilmaasi_SPG_NewWorld'
subrecord = 'DATA'
subrecord size = 192
file pos = 256145
Error in magic of the magna-ge.esp
Fenrir Blades.esp:
Wrye Bash SSE expects a newer format for STAT.DNAM than found.
Load and save Fenrir Blades.esp with the Skyrim SE CK
STAT.DNAM: Expected size == 12, but got: 8
Error loading 'STAT' record and/or subrecord: 010012CF
eid = u'BillyroFenrirGreatsword1stPerson'
subrecord = 'DNAM'
subrecord size = 8
file pos = 537
Error in Fenrir Blades.esp

 

 

 

try fixing those and then rebuild the bashed patch and see what it says :)

Edited September 16, 2018 by gromulos

[TheUUolf]

I could fix all the files except wheelsoflull.esp because that one makes ck crash when i save it, tried to run the game without fixing that one and it still crashes, another error appeared after fixing every file (except wheelsoflull.esp) and rebuilding the bashed patch, it was for magic of the magna-ge.esp, but this one doesnt say anything after that, it just says "Error in magic of the magna-ge.esp" so i dont know how to fix that one, i tried running it through CK but it didn't fix it.