Argonian & khajiit tail bug

[yojeff]

Hi,

 

When I add mannequins (Skin-toned Mannequins) in my player house, the tails are bugged (see pic).

 

https://imgur.com/a/tnvailn

 

If I try to add a new Argonian NPC in the Construction set, I get the following message :

 

Bone Bip Tail01 not for part 'BASE Characters\Argonian\Tail.NIF' Requested by Dee-Ma model ......

 

and the message shows another 7 times, asking for Tail02 to Tail08. When I add the npc, the tail is bugged like for the mannequin.

 

Now, during gameplay, "vanilla" argonians are fine (Dar-ma and Seed-Neeus in Chorrol), and argonians from mods are fine too (Elahai from AFK_Weye).

 

I understand that I am missing textures?

 

Could somebody tell me where that Tail.NIF is supposed to be (on the hard drive).

 

I have not added any skeleton mods recently, so I can't simply uncheck the last mod added.

 

Thanks!

 

On my Hard drive :

 

 

I don't see many file in the Meshes\Characters folder :

2018-08-31 10:22
.
2018-08-31 10:22
..
2018-08-31 10:22 companion_neeshka
2018-08-19 22:59 Goblin
2018-08-03 15:09 Hair
2018-07-30 20:19 Sheogorath
2018-07-30 20:18 _1stPerson
2018-08-09 19:04 _male
0 fichier(s) 0 octets
8 Rép(s) 18 712 293 376 octets libres

in _male :

2018-08-09 19:04
.
2018-08-09 19:04
..
2018-08-09 19:04 45 656 femalefoot.nif
2018-08-09 19:04 142 123 femalehand.nif
2018-08-09 19:04 194 809 femalelowerbody.nif
2018-08-09 19:04 317 980 femaleupperbody.nif
2018-08-26 00:03 idleanims
2018-08-31 12:27 specialanims
4 fichier(s) 700 568 octets
4 Rép(s) 18 712 227 840 octets libres

 

 

My mods

 

 

 

Masters for Save 1093 - Francis - The Heartlands, Level 21, Playing Time 153.32.53.ess:

00 Oblivion.esm
01 TR_OoT_Main.esm
02 Race Repository.esm
03 Example Race.esm
04 Flame Atronach Race.esm
05 CM Partners.esm
06 Minotaur Race.esm
07 SPTDiverseGuards-Resources.esm
08 Spider Daedra Race.esm
09 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.5.6]
0A UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
0B Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0C DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0D Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.9]
0E DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
0F DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.12]
10 DLCThievesDen.esp
11 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.15]
12 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.14]
13 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
14 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
15 DLCVileLair.esp
16 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11]
17 DLCHorseArmor.esp
18 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
19 DLCOrrery.esp
1A DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
1B DLCSpellTomes.esp
1C DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
1D DLCFrostcrag.esp
1E DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10]
1F Knights.esp
20 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.8]
21 Underwater.esp
22 Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3]
23 Vacuity.esp [Version 0.2]
24 GizmodianNetherweaveRobe.esp
25 Legion-occupied Forts.esp
26 Roads of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.0]
27 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1]
28 Underworld Armor.esp
29 UFF Warrior Skin.esp
2A Castle_Seaview.esp
2B Kvatch Rebuilt.esp [Version 3.0]
2C BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp
2D Sutch Village.esp [Version 1.0.4]
2E HentaiSchoolGirlCollection.esp
2F Veil and Dress.esp
30 Blackheart and Gizmodian ECRobes Shop Version.esp
31 TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp
32 Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
33 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.7]
34 Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0.11]
35 Nirnroot Completion.esp
36 Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp
37 GwedenBrothel.esp
38 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.32.Non-COBL]
39 Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.2]
3A Villages1.1.esp
3B SPTDiverseGuards-Combined-Imperial.esp
3C eyja.esp
3D Devastation of Kvatch.esp
3E Castle_Highrock.esp
3F MountainShackR13.esp
40 Colourwheels Sexy Dark brotherhood.esp
41 BXX_Mines.esp
42 EM_RedRoseManor.esp [Version 2.0]
43 ColourWheels Sexy Milk Maid HGEC.esp
44 AleswellHomeQuest.esp
45 Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp
46 RomancingAhnassi.esp
47 CM Partners.esp
48 Retma Dresses.esp
49 Reedstand.esp [Version 1.0.4]
4A Naughty_Joana_01.esp
4B ROC+Shadowcrest Vineyard Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
4C Abecean_lighthouse_1.1.esp
4D AFK_ICTempleCleanup.esp [Version 1.0.LtPD]
4E Shadowcrest_Vineyard_Guard.esp
4F GMArcheryRebalance.esp [Version 1.0]
50 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]
51 ATakesAll.esp
52 LooterWeightMod.esp
53 Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
54 Mercantile Leveling-Fixed.esp
55 All+5AttributeModifiers.esp
56 Playable Flame Atronach.esp
57 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]
58 wb_RRLR_TalosBridge_Patch.esp
59 SMYB Female Only.esp
5A CM Partners More NPCs.esp
5B No Anachronistic MQ Comments.esp
5C ViljainAleswell.esp [Version 1.3]
5D ViljainRedRoseManor.esp [Version 1.2]
5E TR_Stirk.esp
5F HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp
60 EM_CompInnsleeping.esp [Version 0.9]
61 Colourwheels Sexy Holy Knight Armor.esp
62 Morrowind Robes and Dresses for HGEC.esp
63 SPTDiverseGuards-Core.esp
64 Areala.esp
65 Rowboats.esp
66 HouseMapMarkers.esp
67 Binoculars.esp
68 Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp
69 CM Partners NPC.esp
6A ROC+LtPD Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
6B Molapi.esp [Version 1.0.1]
6C CM Partners Argonians by Howabominable.esp
6D LakesideHome.esp [Version 2.]
6E ViljainLakeside.esp
6F RR - LTPDPatch.esp
70 Leyawiin Bridge.esp
71 ROC+Romancing Ahnassi Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
72 ROC+RR Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
73 ICTowerObservatory.esp [Version 1.2]
74 Playable Minotaur.esp
75 Playable Spider Daedra.esp
76 kgt_Avve.esp
77 Colourwheels Sexy & extremely short dress.esp
78 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
79 Ice Gowns for HGEC.esp
7A CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
7B CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
7C Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp [Version 2.01]
7D CM Partners Vwalk.esp
7E CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp
7F CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp
80 runMult.esp
81 Playable Example.esp
82 ImmersivePorters.esp
83 cmMoonMoon.esp
84 No psychic guards v1.2.esp
85 gardening.esp
86 BlackDress.esp
87 SkinMannequinVan-nosleep.esp
88 Swimwearset.esp
89 Oblivion Gate Destruction Spell.esp
8A P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
8B 0FSexyLingerie.esp
8C VisiblyUnlimited.esp
8D BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp [Version 1.0.2]
8E ROC Standard Road Record.esp
8F Ryk_Swimwear.esp
90 SG014_SparkleSweetSummer.esp
91 JFGMaison.esp

 

 

[DrakeTheDragon]

Actually your files seem to be all fine, at least regarding this specific issue, to me. What's happening here is the bone "Bip01 Tail01" (and the others) are not found inside the skeleton armature the actor/NPC is using, so the vertices inside the "tail.nif", which every member of the race uses, don't have anything to stick to and fly off into infinity, stretching the polygons along with them.

 

The thing is, unlike body meshes, which are global, head parts and skin textures, which are race-based, skeletons are actor-based. The tail-less default skeleton "skeleton.nif" is used by default for all actors of all races. The tail-ed skeleton "skeletonbeast.nif" is used by members of the beast races, but only when each and every actor also has it assigned instead of the default.

 

So the solution is split into 2 choices:

- Make sure each and every actor/NPC/mannequin of a beast race also has "skeletonbeast.nif" selected as its skeleton,

- Replace your regular "skeleton.nif" with your "skeletonbeast.nif", or any other tailed replacement skeleton for that matter, as the difference between "skeleton.nif" and "skeletonbeast.nif" is -only- the tail bones, and they can be used interchangeably for un-tailed actors.

 

Hope it helps.

[yojeff]

Thanks for the explanation!

 

So I am in the Construction Set, Object Window, NPC.

 

If I click on Dar-ma (vanilla Argonian), there is a button showing "Characters\_Male\Skeleton_Beast.NIF"

 

If I click on my Argonian, the button shows "Characters\_Male\Skeleton.NIF"

 

If I click on the button to select a new file, and I navigate to "Characters\_Male\", I don't see any of the two files. No Skeleton.NIF, no Skeleton_Beast.NIF.

 

If I search for a Skeleton.NIF file in the Data Directory, I see some for different creatures, but none in a _Male folder.

 

How can I change the file? Are they inside an Oblivion.esm (?) and can't be seen (in the Windows Explorer)?

 

I see the solution you give, but I can't seem to apply it.

 

PS : When I created the Argonian, I right-click "New" and then edited her like I wanted. Should I try to edit an existing character instead?

 

Thanks!

Edited September 20, 2018 by yojeff

[yojeff]

By googling "Skeleton.NIF", I found that post,

Help with Character/Creature Skeleton Nif

I saw that I had to extract the files from the Oblivion - Meshes.bsa, which I did with the BSA Unpacker.

 

I modifed my mod and the mannequins mod, and both work correctly now.

 

Thanks!

Edited September 20, 2018 by yojeff

[DrakeTheDragon]

Uh, oh, yeah! I totally missed that part. Yes, you'll have to extract the files from the BSA first, before they can be selected.

Now, you could've also just created a new text file inside the folder where the skeleton should've been, "named" it "skeleton.nif", and you would've been able to select it in the CS as well, then delete the 0 byte dummy again afterwards. But that's honestly a little dirty a trick anyways.

Just saying you won't need to "keep" this extracted version of "skeletonbeast.nif" around either, as the game will load it fine from inside the BSA, if it's not. But it'll sure be useful, if you intend to point the CS to it again from other records in the future. Sadly not even the CS can "browse" to files inside a BSA during selecting them.

 

Glad it's all working now.