piotrmil Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 > Vortex might not be suited for people who... > ...have massive, stable load orders, which they maintain manually or with another mod manager. > ...prefer to do their sorting manually. Thanks for being honest with us, at least now I know I don't have to bother with it :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff7legend Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 In response to post #64312911. #64313051, #64318821, #64319546, #64329726 are all replies on the same post.ff7legend wrote: My main concern is migrating my MASSIVE Skyrim SE mod installation over to Vortex. If anyone remembers the infamous NMM 0.60+ migration debacle that literally destroyed many a user's modded game install, you'll know what I speak of here. Nearly the entire SOT TEAM (The Way of the Dovahkiin - Sands of Time authors) lost their modded game installs & had to re-install from scratch. Just ask tonycubed2 about said debacle. I'm not about to play Russian roulette with my massive mod install. I will not make the switch until Vortex is proven not to destroy an entire modded game installation. As the old saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".Dark0ne wrote: We even say this in the very news post you're commenting on:If you have a perfectly functioning load order and stable modded game then we highly recommend you do not move over to Vortex at this time. The main focus of Vortex is on making your game as easy to mod as possible, in the most stable way, with the least amount of effort and if your game is already stable, there's no point making even a small effort to move over. However, for many of you who have been plagued by mod conflicts and issues, or who are starting a new playthrough or who just want to try out something new, Vortex might be a great fit.The inherent issue is that NMM is so bad and so..random..in its failings that it's nigh on impossible to make an importer that is going to 100% work in every single situation. It works for the vast majority of people, but there are going to be some NMM installations/mod setups out there that are so screwed, no importer would be 100% effective.Hence why we are telling people to only move if (1) they want to and (2) they have little to lose.ff7legend wrote: Yes, I read that but there will likely come a time where the user will be forced to migrate over to Vortex since NMM support will likely be cut at some point. Just like we were forced to migrate over to the new Nexus Mods website format that looks more like a smartphone interface than an actual website. Don't get me wrong - I like the new Nexus Mods layout, though it took quite a bit of getting used to. However, I really wish various websites would stop going for the smartphone-like interface. I don't own a smartphone & can't stand smartphones to be quite honest. Not only do smartphones cost way too much money, but half the features of a smartphone I would never even use. Don't even get me started on those ridiculously expensive data plans/data overage charges/throttled down streaming speeds either. I have no intention of making the switch to Vortex unless I'm forced to do so, which is a likely eventuality at some point.Dark0ne wrote: We cut NMM "support" two years ago. We no longer support it! But it is software, and it will continue to work unless a major new Windows OS comes out that breaks it.There is no way we can force people to stop using NMM. All we can (and will do, at some point in the not too distant future) is turn off the web hooks that NMM uses. That doesn't break NMM or prevent it from performing its main function, which is managing mods, all it prevents is the ability to download automatically from within NMM and see new version updates. Adding new mods to NMM would then require a couple more clicks, downloading mods manually and then using the "Add file" functionality from within NMM.That is, of course, unless someone updates NMM to work with our new API. In which case, all it will require is users to download an update.Either way, we can't force people off NMM, even if we want to.piotrmil wrote: Honestly? Don't even bother migrating. MO2 is far superior than NMM or Vortex, so for Bethesda games, there is very little incentive to use Vortex. For other games - perhaps. Mods like FNIS will not work/install properly when using MO2 piotrmil. fore has made it quite clear that he will not support FNIS installations using MO2 & has repeatedly redirected inquiries into issues with FNIS not installing properly with MO2 over to the MO2 devs, which have so far failed to address said issue last I checked/heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishkahKid Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I very much appreciate NMM . I'm an old person that likes simple things. I don't think I will be able to adapt. please keep support for NMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted28731935User Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) imo NMM was already fairly easy to use vortex really feels pointless Edited October 13, 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishkahKid Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I don't want to use Vortex. So, are we going to be forced to use it? In order to use your site? I much don't care for the future, if this is the case. I have a real problem with forced compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishkahKid Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Let me put it in a different way, I would like the option to be able to choose. Is that allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 In response to post #64331406. WishkahKid wrote: I don't want to use Vortex. So, are we going to be forced to use it? In order to use your site? I much don't care for the future, if this is the case. I have a real problem with forced compliance.No one is being forced to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishkahKid Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) In response to post #64331406. #64332176 is also a reply to the same post.WishkahKid wrote: I don't want to use Vortex. So, are we going to be forced to use it? In order to use your site? I much don't care for the future, if this is the case. I have a real problem with forced compliance.Dark0ne wrote: No one is being forced to do anything.From what I understand, auto downloads with NMM will be a thing of the past, manual only. Yes, or no? Edited October 13, 2018 by WishkahKid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diotima Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) I set up Vortex two days ago, and after a few mistakes i made and some new gray hairs i already love it. It took time to set up my massive mod installation, but with Vortex it`s much easier to change the loadorder of, for example texture mods without an esp, and i like the option to reinstall mods with all options like fomod installer etc. with only one click. Thank you so much to all developers of Vortex, and also for the already included german translation. That was you Tannin, wasn't you? :-) A big "Thank you" goes to Gopher for his tutorial videos. They helped me a lot! Edited October 13, 2018 by Diotima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishkahKid Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I guess what I'm asking here is that thousands of folks are still using NMM , are you going to cut them all off? What if these people don't want to use Vortex? Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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