Is Vortex worth it?

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Short answer... NOPE, the old NMM is on Github use that.. Vortex is a bleeding mess that screws up your file, give no explanations and assume you have a degree of computer knowledge that only programmers have.. stick to NMM

like any program, vortex works on the following methodology - garbage in, garbage out.

if you don't know what you're doing, and you use any program incorrectly, bad things will happen. when bad things happen, its not the fault of the program, it's the fault of the person sat on the chair who didn't bother to read or try to understand what it was they were trying to do.

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Short answer... NOPE, the old NMM is on Github use that.. Vortex is a bleeding mess that screws up your file, give no explanations and assume you have a degree of computer knowledge that only programmers have.. stick to NMM

like any program, vortex works on the following methodology - garbage in, garbage out.

if you don't know what you're doing, and you use any program incorrectly, bad things will happen. when bad things happen, its not the fault of the program, it's the fault of the person sat on the chair who didn't bother to read or try to understand what it was they were trying to do.

 

So, it is the users fault that the program is flawed, having tried to follow "instructions" and watching a host of videos "explaining" the proper way to use said program, I would claim that it is the Programmers fault that the User have difficulties using it in the manner envisaged by said Programmer..

 

For the record I detest the mechanisms in the program that alters your mods and the UI is as intelligent and User-friendly as a google-translated russian manual to a Nuclear submarines electrical wiring... I can program (code to Americans) I wrote a nifty little thing that, today, is still used to coordinate goods delivery and collection in a major transport Organisation and I would never, EVER, allow my program to take decisions out of the users hand.. Vortex does that... Vortex floods you with useless information and derives you of the ability to have total control... unless you are very skilled or on the team that build the damn thing.. for MO2 users the transition is moderately smooth.. for NMM users not so much... it is confusing, it is assuming the end-user has vast experience and it is annoying to a degree where even I just chucked it, and THEN discovered i had to COMPLETELY, uninstall any and all things it had touched, that cost me a lot of time and a lot of irritation to the point where i swore i would never, ever, utilize anything made by the team behind this malaise.. unfortunately Nexus seem to adore it and some users do to... I, for one, detest it...

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that's a lot of fallacies and inaccuracies in a single post. well done.

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that's a lot of fallacies and inaccuracies in a single post. well done.

Being an arrogant donkeys rear end does not further your point, being a civil and polite person does.. You, Sir/Madam/It.. are the type of person i would prefer NEVER to meet and if i happened to run into you... I would ignore you politely whilst asking the Maitre´d to escort you out of the premises.. in other words.. due to your lack of manners and intolerable snootyness, you are hereby put on ignore for an eternity.. and then some.. have a day..

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that's a lot of fallacies and inaccuracies in a single post. well done.

Being an arrogant donkeys rear end does not further your point, being a civil and polite person does.. You, Sir/Madam/It.. are the type of person i would prefer NEVER to meet and if i happened to run into you... I would ignore you politely whilst asking the Maitre´d to escort you out of the premises.. in other words.. due to your lack of manners and intolerable snootyness, you are hereby put on ignore for an eternity.. and then some.. have a day..

 

My point was, you posted a lot of fallacies and inaccuracies based on your own ignorance of vortex and how to use it correctly. it doesn't need to be furthered. you responded with yet more nonsense and lastly decided that a personal attack (thus negating your own opening statement in your last response) would be your final word on the matter.

I mean, just read these support forums. They are full of posts from users, just like you, who don't know how to use the program, don't know the correct steps to mod their games, and decide that because you're lacking the basic skills required, and because you've not bothered to educate yourself, it's the fault of a computer program.

as a "coder" (ha) you surely see that this stance is asinine?

or maybe you don't. I'll never know now, will I?

 

In the meantime, Vortex is bloody marvellous and takes all the hard work out of modding your game. Just last week, I re-installed Fallout 4, updated mods that needed to be updated and started a new game inside an hour. An HOUR! But then, I know what I'm doing, so go me.

 

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Short answer... NOPE, the old NMM is on Github use that.. Vortex is a bleeding mess that screws up your file, give no explanations and assume you have a degree of computer knowledge that only programmers have.. stick to NMM

like any program, vortex works on the following methodology - garbage in, garbage out.

if you don't know what you're doing, and you use any program incorrectly, bad things will happen. when bad things happen, its not the fault of the program, it's the fault of the person sat on the chair who didn't bother to read or try to understand what it was they were trying to do.

 

So, it is the users fault that the program is flawed, having tried to follow "instructions" and watching a host of videos "explaining" the proper way to use said program, I would claim that it is the Programmers fault that the User have difficulties using it in the manner envisaged by said Programmer..

 

For the record I detest the mechanisms in the program that alters your mods and the UI is as intelligent and User-friendly as a google-translated russian manual to a Nuclear submarines electrical wiring... I can program (code to Americans) I wrote a nifty little thing that, today, is still used to coordinate goods delivery and collection in a major transport Organisation and I would never, EVER, allow my program to take decisions out of the users hand.. Vortex does that... Vortex floods you with useless information and derives you of the ability to have total control... unless you are very skilled or on the team that build the damn thing.. for MO2 users the transition is moderately smooth.. for NMM users not so much... it is confusing, it is assuming the end-user has vast experience and it is annoying to a degree where even I just chucked it, and THEN discovered i had to COMPLETELY, uninstall any and all things it had touched, that cost me a lot of time and a lot of irritation to the point where i swore i would never, ever, utilize anything made by the team behind this malaise.. unfortunately Nexus seem to adore it and some users do to... I, for one, detest it...

 

 

 

With all that knowledge you'll definitely understand Vortex then.

If not, I'd ask the University for your money back on those Computer Science classes.

 

As far as NMM goes, the reason the transition from NMM to Vortex is a problem, is because NMM users have this false sense of security that "NMM actually does stuff", when in fact it doesn't

Waxing lyrical about why NMM is superior, is like someone arguing that a funnel, filter, and a piece of garden hose is a superior Coffee Maker over a Keurig machine in function.

 

After spending so much time in these forums offering support, I've found that around 99% of people complaining about Vortex "being difficult" have (A.) Never used it. (B.) Didn't bother to RTFM, (C.) Are trying to force it to be NMM

 

The number one complaint is the tired, old, "I'm a programmer, This is not how you design this that and the other", while they go on and on about how they don't understand the very BASICS of using a Windows Program, and it's laughable at best that they come here and loudly list off the EASY things about Vortex, that they claim they don't understand.

 

NMM just laid there, comatose, while it did NOTHING but download and unzip mods, while you made horrible load order decisions that caused CTDs etc.

But to each their own I guess.

Also, another thing that's outstanding about the people who hate Vortex.

They come here and will argue endlessly about how much they hate it, instead of getting on with their lives

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I dont like Vortex, and still got NMM in use. hard to recognize where everything is or got some issues with download show off in dat dummy vortex ;/

 

I need to see full list of mod on one page with categories i want ascribe with eyes friendly interface

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I dont like Vortex, and still got NMM in use.

 

I use Jupyter Notebook because I don't like the functional limitations of Notepad.

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Short answer... NOPE, the old NMM is on Github use that.. Vortex is a bleeding mess that screws up your file, give no explanations and assume you have a degree of computer knowledge that only programmers have.. stick to NMM

like any program, vortex works on the following methodology - garbage in, garbage out.

if you don't know what you're doing, and you use any program incorrectly, bad things will happen. when bad things happen, its not the fault of the program, it's the fault of the person sat on the chair who didn't bother to read or try to understand what it was they were trying to do.

 

So, it is the users fault that the program is flawed, having tried to follow "instructions" and watching a host of videos "explaining" the proper way to use said program, I would claim that it is the Programmers fault that the User have difficulties using it in the manner envisaged by said Programmer..

 

For the record I detest the mechanisms in the program that alters your mods and the UI is as intelligent and User-friendly as a google-translated russian manual to a Nuclear submarines electrical wiring... I can program (code to Americans) I wrote a nifty little thing that, today, is still used to coordinate goods delivery and collection in a major transport Organisation and I would never, EVER, allow my program to take decisions out of the users hand.. Vortex does that... Vortex floods you with useless information and derives you of the ability to have total control... unless you are very skilled or on the team that build the damn thing.. for MO2 users the transition is moderately smooth.. for NMM users not so much... it is confusing, it is assuming the end-user has vast experience and it is annoying to a degree where even I just chucked it, and THEN discovered i had to COMPLETELY, uninstall any and all things it had touched, that cost me a lot of time and a lot of irritation to the point where i swore i would never, ever, utilize anything made by the team behind this malaise.. unfortunately Nexus seem to adore it and some users do to... I, for one, detest it...

 

 

 

With all that knowledge you'll definitely understand Vortex then.

If not, I'd ask the University for your money back on those Computer Science classes.

 

As far as NMM goes, the reason the transition from NMM to Vortex is a problem, is because NMM users have this false sense of security that "NMM actually does stuff", when in fact it doesn't

Waxing lyrical about why NMM is superior, is like someone arguing that a funnel, filter, and a piece of garden hose is a superior Coffee Maker over a Keurig machine in function.

 

After spending so much time in these forums offering support, I've found that around 99% of people complaining about Vortex "being difficult" have (A.) Never used it. (B.) Didn't bother to RTFM, (C.) Are trying to force it to be NMM

 

The number one complaint is the tired, old, "I'm a programmer, This is not how you design this that and the other", while they go on and on about how they don't understand the very BASICS of using a Windows Program, and it's laughable at best that they come here and loudly list off the EASY things about Vortex, that they claim they don't understand.

 

NMM just laid there, comatose, while it did NOTHING but download and unzip mods, while you made horrible load order decisions that caused CTDs etc.

But to each their own I guess.

Also, another thing that's outstanding about the people who hate Vortex.

They come here and will argue endlessly about how much they hate it, instead of getting on with their lives

 

I do understand vortex, I made it a point to "RTDM" and I did study each and every video BEFORE i even started the damn thing, my problem with it is the complexity, the machinery if you will.. for a user who comes from NMM and expects to download, unzip and then use LOOT followed by manual tweaking.. Vortex is a nightmare, it gives minimal control, UNLESS you follow the manual and gives no sense of user-control... I opened the "code" and took a look and I was flabbergasted by the very complexity and impressive amount of redundancy safeguards BUT.... the way it imposes itself on everything in your Steam folder and the sheer complexity of making it work in a customized "user-defined" way is beyond most and therefore I judge it so harshly.. If you would be so kind, you would notice that I specify that IF, you transition from MO2 you are less prone to run into frustrations and the myriads of problems reported.. I state clearly and will happily continue to do so that.. for a Newbie or one with limited interest in the "machiney" Vortex is not the answer, the more simple and less demanding NMM is.. for the Advanced user i would recommend MO2 because of the user-friendliness, take that con grano salis, for EXPERIENCED users.. Vortex tries to fill the gap between those two and does so in an unsatisfactory way.. I would not recommend it until it has progressed to the level of MO2 and then i would still advice New and Casual users to download NMM instead.. simply because not everybody likes to integrate themselves in the machinery and most prefer a point and click system that works without question... several Mod-Authors are in line with my thoughts on this, though they also despise NMM because of its inability to handle large files and thus, swear by MO2... I gave my opinion and would repeat it, the OP asks if Vortex is worth it and, as i deduced it, is a casual player whose previous experience comes fron using NMM, therefore my answer was to download the community version of NMM from GitHub.. I would like Vortex to work seamlessly for new and experienced players alike but.. at the moment... it does not.

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You obviously do not understand Vortex at all.

I read that ramble up to this point ... "I opened the "code" and took a look". Then I baled out. Good luck with NMM.