Trying To Use A DEF_UI Preset, Only Showing Vanilla HUD

[EchoHuntsman]

So, I've installed DEF_HUD and DEF_INV via DEF_UI with Vortex. I downloaded Clean HUD 2, both through Vortex and, now, manually. Manually, I chose the .xml file that I wanted and replaced the appropriate one in E:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Fallout 4\Data\Interface\DEF_CONF. As far as I know, I've installed it correctly. I also checked if the .xml file was correct by opening HUDMenuSet and it was. I saved it just in case.

 

But no matter what, if I enter the game, it shows the vanilla HUD and I've no clue why.

 

If it matters, I also tried installing Nomenklatura (a sorting mod), though the main file just caused my game to CTD when opening my Pip-Boy. So, I only used the DEF_INV_TAGS.xml and installed that manually too, which hasn't given me issues.

 

Load order is as follows.

 

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
254 FE 0 cccrsfo4001-pipcoa.esl
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 HUDFramework.esm
9 9 ArmorKeywords.esm
10 a Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp
11 b LBPAC.esp
12 c ScrapScrap.esp
254 FE 1 Gunsmith Overhaul.esp
13 d Better Locational Damage.esp
14 e OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
15 f Depravity.esp
16 10 AA FusionCityRising.esp
254 FE 2 ArmorClothingOverhaul.esp
17 11 WeightlessMods.esp
18 12 frogs345CombinedWeaponMods.esp
19 13 BLD - Leveled Lists - DLC.esp
20 14 Better Locational Damage - DLC_Automatron.esp
21 15 CraftingFramework.esp
22 16 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
23 17 TP-Redux.esp
24 18 Vivid Waters.esp
25 19 UniqueUniques.esp
26 1a SKKFastStart.esp
27 1b AA 50 Ways To Die.esp
28 1c ReducedJunkWeight.esp
29 1d Chainsaw.esp
30 1e Chainsaw_LL.esp
31 1f LooksMenu.esp
32 20 ProjectValkyrie.esp
33 21 LongRangeBulletHoles.esp
34 22 No More Evade Animation.esp
35 23 DOOM1911.esp
36 24 Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp
37 25 Mosin.esp
38 26 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
39 27 WestTekTacticalOptics-AWKCR.esp
40 28 CommonwealthConifersREDUX.esp
41 29 EveryonesBestFriend.esp
42 2a No Aggro Impact Landing.esp
43 2b Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp
44 2c Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp
45 2d Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp
46 2e RadiantBirdsv05.esp
47 2f TrueGrass.esp
48 30 CBBE.esp
49 31 FO4Hotkeys.esp
50 32 HuntingRevolver.esp
51 33 NoBattleMusic.esp
52 34 Crafting Mastery.esp
53 35 Give Me That Bottle.esp
54 36 SurvivalOptions.esp
254 FE 3 Gunsmith Overhaul - NADR.esp
55 37 LBPAC AWKCR Patch.esp
56 38 Realistic Sprinting.esp
57 39 Better Chems.esp
58 3a Better Locational Damage - DLC_Far_Harbor.esp
59 3b Better Locational Damage - DLC_Nuka_World.esp
60 3c Weapons of Fate.esp
61 3d Better Locational Damage - DLC_WWorkshop.esp
62 3e Better Perks - Enhanced.esp
63 3f VaultTecAcceleratedFocusSystem.esp
64 40 VaultTecAcceleratedFocusSystem - FarHarbor.esp
65 41 VaultTecAcceleratedFocusSystem - NukaWorld.esp
66 42 Better VATS - No Reduction.esp
67 43 Better Aim Models.esp
68 44 Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp
69 45 Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp
70 46 DarkerNights.esp
71 47 DarkerNightsDetection.esp
72 48 DLCWeaponsinCW.esp
73 49 DLCAmmoScrounger.esp
74 4a AlexSleevePatcher.esp
75 4b PIP-Pad.esp
76 4c EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
77 4d Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
78 4e PIP-Pad_Pip-BoyFlashlight.esp

[StormWolf01]

Heya Echo!

Ok, so I'm really tired, and it's time for this wolf to crash out, so I'm gonna be kinda to the point. Don't take it personal, I'm just tired.

First, I've not ever used DEF_UI, so I'm just winging this.

 

A) If you're using the latest updated version of Fallout4, are you using the updated translation files for the mod? (It's a seperate download on the files tab.) https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10654?tab=files

 

1) Never install games into Program Files or Program Files (86). Those are system files, and windows gets real control-freakish with those.

So, make sure that everything that is your game, the exe files all are run as administrator. Right click them, choose properties, then advanced. Under advanced, make sure that Run as Administrator is ticked, then click apply/ok.

Now, also make sure that the exe file that DEF_UI installed, is also running as admin. As well as make sure that you have them all whitelisted with your antivirus software(s).

 

2) Make sure that you do not have any other HUDMenu.swf files installed in your game folder. Those are NOT cross compatible.

Also make sure that it's located in your Interface folder.

 

3) Make sure that all the proper .esp files are set as active.

 

 

Hope this points you in the right direction :wink:

-Sleepy Storm

Edited December 3, 2019 by StormWolf01

[EchoHuntsman]

Heya Echo!

Ok, so I'm really tired, and it's time for this wolf to crash out, so I'm gonna be kinda to the point. Don't take it personal, I'm just tired.

First, I've not ever used DEF_UI, so I'm just winging this.

 

A) If you're using the latest updated version of Fallout4, are you using the updated translation files for the mod? (It's a seperate download on the files tab.) https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10654?tab=files

 

1) Never install games into Program Files or Program Files (86). Those are system files, and windows gets real control-freakish with those.

So, make sure that everything that is your game, the exe files all are run as administrator. Right click them, choose properties, then advanced. Under advanced, make sure that Run as Administrator is ticked, then click apply/ok.

Now, also make sure that the exe file that DEF_UI installed, is also running as admin. As well as make sure that you have them all whitelisted with your antivirus software(s).

 

2) Make sure that you do not have any other HUDMenu.swf files installed in your game folder. Those are NOT cross compatible.

Also make sure that it's located in your Interface folder.

 

3) Make sure that all the proper .esp files are set as active.

 

 

Hope this points you in the right direction :wink:

-Sleepy Storm

 

Hey, thanks for the reply! I followed all of those instructions, but unfortunately it hasn't fixed the issue. Thanks for the help though.

[StormWolf01]

No problem! Just sorry that didn't work.

Ok, I think I may have a better idea now. I was just looking at SKK's fast start, because of an issue somebody else was having. SKK says right on his mod page that his mod isn't compatible with DEF_UI and HUDframework. https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/29227

So I dunno if that's the source of the conflict, but I'd say that it's a good thing to look into.

[EchoHuntsman]

No problem! Just sorry that didn't work.

Ok, I think I may have a better idea now. I was just looking at SKK's fast start, because of an issue somebody else was having. SKK says right on his mod page that his mod isn't compatible with DEF_UI and HUDframework. https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/29227

So I dunno if that's the source of the conflict, but I'd say that it's a good thing to look into.

 

Yep, I think I saw that, but dismissed it as it hadn't given me any infinite loading... Though, I have just tried a fresh game without it and it still hasn't made the changes...

[StormWolf01]

Ok, lets give this another shot then. Did you use the patched HUDMenu.swf that comes with hudframework, that makes it compatible with DEF_UI?

After really digging into hudframework, I see that both those mods use the same swf file, and the hudframework has an optional file in the file tabs that has an edited swf file that has the info for both mods.

[EchoHuntsman]

Ok, lets give this another shot then. Did you use the patched HUDMenu.swf that comes with hudframework, that makes it compatible with DEF_UI?

After really digging into hudframework, I see that both those mods use the same swf file, and the hudframework has an optional file in the file tabs that has an edited swf file that has the info for both mods.

 

Hey, that worked! Thank God. It is a bit annoying that it was something so simple, but ah well. Thank you for the help!

 

EDIT: Aaand now opening my Pip-Boy/Pad causes a CTD... Possibly something related to the DEF_INV .xml files?

Edited December 5, 2019 by EchoHuntsman

[StormWolf01]

Ohhhhhh no! That sucks! But, I'm glad that we got at least one thing taken care of :)

That's definitely a possibility.

Does it work without the pip pad, or in both cases? I notice that pip pad requires MCM https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21497?tab=files which is not yet updated to the most recent updated version of the game that came out 2 days ago.

It's also possible that since the mod requires a "sorting mod" that whatever mod you're using for that may not be updated to the new file header system the game is using, and may not be working. :(

[EchoHuntsman]

Ohhhhhh no! That sucks! But, I'm glad that we got at least one thing taken care of :smile:

That's definitely a possibility.

Does it work without the pip pad, or in both cases? I notice that pip pad requires MCM https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21497?tab=files which is not yet updated to the most recent updated version of the game that came out 2 days ago.

It's also possible that since the mod requires a "sorting mod" that whatever mod you're using for that may not be updated to the new file header system the game is using, and may not be working. :sad:

I checked both and it seems to crash with both vanilla Pip-Boy and with the Pip-Pad. That's quite possible though, so I guess I'll keep an eye on updates and see if there's anything I can do in the meantime.

[StormWolf01]

I don't really see any other type of sorting mods on your list. So my next guess would be that it might be one of your item weight mods that might be in conflict.

Yeah, this whole updates thing is being a pain in the tail right now :(