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Hello friends

 

First time posting here. I'm really new to modding but it is always something that I have dreamed of doing so I decided to give it a go. I stumbled upon Gopher’s new modding youtube videos on NV and followed them to the letter but it would crash a lot. So i cleared everything and deleted everything NV from the files to the mods even Vortex went. Restarted everything but left out any non essential mods (textures and the like) and it still crashes some how more then before I’m hoping that you all might be able to help a rookie out so I can help my buddy mod his games too. Here goes nothing. My laptop is pretty bad FYI.

Windows 10 PRO

Lenovo Think Pad

CPU: Intel ® CORE ™ i5-8265U

CPU speed: CPU @ 1.60 GHz 1.80 GHZ

Graphics card: unknown

RAM (installed memory): 8.00 GB (7.82 GB usable)

Hard drive free space lots I just bought the laptop

64 bit operating system, X64based processer

OS build 18363.836

C:\program files(x86)\steam\steamapps\common\FalloutnewVegas

most recent updated game

All DLC’s

VC++ Runtime Redistributable (pretty sure I installed it right)

Downloaded 7zip

Have the 4G patch

New Vegas Script Extender (NVSE)

NVTF - New Vegas Tick Fix

Yukichigai Unofficial Patch - YUP : Yukichigai Unofficial Patch - YUP

Unofficial Patch NVSE

JIP LN NVSE Plugin

lStewieAl's Tweaks

UIO - User Interface Organize

Vanilla UI Plus (VUI+)

The Mod Configuration Menu (MCM)

One HUD – oHUD

Project Nevada

Project Nevada Patches

Just Mods Assorted

JIP Companions Command and Control

The Couriers Cache

The New Bison Steve Hotel and Lucky Casino

Afterschool Special

The Someguy Series

New Vegas Bounties I

Russell

1st Recon Beret Perk: https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/40662/?tab=logs

Canon Courier (Ulysses Duster plus Graham Armor) UPDATE https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/64682

CONELRAD 640-1240 - Civil Defense Radio: https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/35061

Retrievable Throwables: https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/66461

 

Just want to see if playing NV will work for me with this set up.

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Did you check the system requirements before you purchased and installed the game?

 

Did you run the game before you started to install mods?

 

You cannot mod the game while it is installed in Program Files. The Windows User Account Control prevents any changes being made to any file installed there.

 

There are instructions on Steam telling you how to move the game and the Steam installation.

 

As for being able to run FNV on your set up, maybe.

 

Please see: FNV General Mod Use Advice https://wiki.nexusmods.com/index.php/FNV_General_Mod_Use_Advice

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to answer M48A5 question:

i did check system requirements and it should run vanilla but from what i understand modding puts more stress on the system so i want to know if this rig can run modded NV

also i did run the game and then the game would run with mods installed but it would crash. i'm pretty sure you can mod games when its in Program Files because the game ran. From Gopher's guide said it would be ok to mod from there.

thanks for your reply

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"then the game would run with mods installed but it would crash " I guess this answers your question of being able to run the game.

 

"i'm pretty sure you can mod games when its in Program Files because the game ran. From Gopher's guide said it would be ok to mod from there."

 

Since you know this, why are you asking for advice?

 

Anyway, enjoy the game.

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I'm asking for advice because I've never done this before and I'm frustrated. I've tried to follow the tutorials I've found twice, sunk a bunch of hours into this and i still don't know why my game keeps crashing.

I Just want to play NV with this set up and with these mods if possible. It is just not happening for me. Could it have something to do with the mods themselves? i'm totally out of my depth here


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Please remember that everyone here is a volunteer. There is little patience for someone asking for help who then turns around and flat out tells them their advice is wrong, especially when they then say "i'm totally out of my depth here ". We don't ask for much, but simple respect for our efforts. There are many things which fall into the "technically 'yes', but in practice 'no'" category. The people here are helping with the practical aspects from experience.

 

A laptop where you can't tell what graphics adapter it's using most likely has an "on the motherboard chip" (from Intel in your case), which means it is using "system RAM" for it's graphics/video processing. (These Intel graphics chips have a bad track record with this game when it is modded. Not to say they won't work. Just that they can be "cranky".) The graphics memory has to be taken from the overall "system RAM". Fortunately for you, with 8GB of RAM you have enough it should not impact the maximum of 4GB the game can be patched to use. (It only uses 2GB by default.) But "system RAM" is slower than "Video RAM (VRAM)", so you can expect that "high-rez" or "improved graphics" mods are going to stress it. TEST them individually.

 

As for installing the game, please see the wiki "Installing Games on Windows Vista+" article for why the original default Steam behavior of installing games to the "C:\Program Files" or "C:\Program Files(x86)" folder tree was bad (they learned better, and don't do that any more but didn't change it for older games); and why "disabling UAC and running as Administrator" is NOT sufficient, with instructions how to move it. This is the single most important thing you can do to fix and protect yourself against problems in the future. As much of a PITA as that is, it's never going to be any easier than now. System updates often cause issues with games installed to these folder trees. With the game moved out of the default location you will not need to be running it as an "Administrator Account", which is safer. Please see the 'Restoring to "Vanilla"' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article as well.

Disabling "User Account Control" (UAC) only stops Windows from prompting you to grant "administrative" credentials to an application that the system says must have a "UAC elevation". Disabling UAC does not automatically then enable the permission for such applications. Instead, (for all intents and purposes) it automatically denies them. (Please read this MS article on how it works in Win10. The basics have been there since the inception of UAC with Vista.)

If you did move Steam out of the default location, then likely any access privilege problem is one of "File and Folder permissions" on the parent "root" folder under which you installed the games. If this is not set correctly to allow at least "System", "Administrators", and "Users" to have "Full Control" then you can't overwrite other files or make changes. You then (while logged in as an "Administrator Account") need to enable the "Properties | Security | Advanced | Change Permissions" setting of the parent folder to enable the box: "Replace all child object permissions with inheritable permissions from this object", so those changes get applied to the existing files and sub-folders.

We REALLY need to see a "load order" as produced by "LOOT"; to include the main game and DLC files. (Screenshots don't work so well for the purpose.) With modded games its the sequence, not merely the list of mods, which is the cause of many problems. LOOT's sort gives a good first approximation, correcting the most obvious issues and is sufficient for most players. You can make minor adjustments to the order and tell LOOT how to remember them. It's in the on-line documentation under "Metadata". Instructions on how to copy it's list for posting are in the "How to ask for help" article, and "Checklist Item #11' entry in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

 

Under exactly what circumstances are you crashing? Before the main menu, after it, after loading a save game but have been moving around in the exterior causing different cells to load, entering or leaving interiors, etc.?

Please see the 'Vanilla Load Order' entry in the 'First Timer Advice' section; and the 'Common Game Problems' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

 

There are a whole host of things listed in "Common Problems", of which you need to check ALL for a modded game.

If the problem persists, then see either the 'Solutions to Starting the game problems' or the 'Solutions to "Crash To Desktop" (CTD) problems' sections in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide. In particular I'm wondering if you have installed the DirectX9 drivers as indicated in the "Starting the game" section.

 

I recommend anyone read the entire "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article to understand the differences between this game and others you may have experience with; especially if this is your first attempt to play a modded FNV or it's been more than a year since you last did so. It is designed for someone who has never played a modded PC game before, so it tries to avoid making any assumptions, is kept "up-to-date", and covers years of "lessons learned". It is NOT a list of various mods to install that happen to work on the author's machine. It addresses fundamentals underlying how to get the basic game and mods to work together.

-Dubious-

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I apologize if what i wrote came across as disrespectful, i didn't tell him that his advice was wrong only relaying what i learned from Gopher's tutorial. I very much respect this forum's expertise I'm trying to fumble my way through this process please be patient with me too because its kinda overwhelming to start out.

Thank you dubious this is what i was looking for from the start. Thank you for your help however i don't have access to another drive to download/transfer the the game so that is a huge problem right there. Looking at all this seems that it might just be more worth it to wait until i have an actual gaming PC instead of trying to force this laptop to work for me.

For the sake of my own curiosity doesn't Vortex use a type of LOOT program when organizing its mods in the manager? If so would it still be necessary to get the Mod load order ?

Thank you for all your help. You will be hearing from me when i get a better rig.

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I don't use Vortex myself (old school; Wrye Bash/Flash just does fine for me) but I understand from "this post" that it uses LOOT internally through an API it provides. Which means you should be able to use it to post the "load order" here. While I am a fan and advocate of LOOT, it is not perfect. We need to see the "sorted load order" to identify potential conflicts it cannot address.

 

No one wants to hear their hardware isn't up to the job. But minimum system requirements are just barely sufficient to keep a vendor from getting sued for false advertising. They do not mean you will enjoy the experience.

 

FYI: In the meantime, you could create a separate "partition", in effect splitting your "C:" drive into a "C:" and a "D:" (or even more) logical drives. The tools are included in Windows. Here is an article on how to do so. It won't make your game perform any better, but would enable you to move it out of the "C:\Program Files" folder tree. It is easiest to do while your system is still "new" and has lots of "free space".

 

-Dubious-

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