Jellote Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Hi all, I've replaying Fallout 4 after being away from it since 2018, and after moving over to Vortex and adding some seemingly harmless mods, the game now crashes whenever I target an enemy in VATS. Simply opening VATS by holding Q does not cause a crash, but targeting any enemy does. What should I do about this, and is there any way to prevent the crashes with my current mods? At this time, my Vortex launcher reports no conflicts or dependency issues. I attempted to follow the instructions suggested in this thread, but found that my HUDMenu.swf was already patched and up-to-date, and even replacing it with the new one created by the autopatcher did nothing. My current list of plugins is as follows: # Automatically generated by Vortex*Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp*HUDFramework.esm*NoraSpouse.esm*Snap'n Build.esm*Homemaker.esm*JonsMod.esm*EthreonMasterPlan.esm*OCDecorator.esp*Be Exceptional - Uninstall.esp*OCDecoratorDLC.esp*Be Exceptional.esp*OCDispenser.esp*LooksMenu.esp*3dscopes.esp*Companion Infinite Ammo.esp*CleanSettlement Snap'n Build.esp*AllSetsExtended.esp*Boston Natural Surroundings.esp*ManufacturingExtended.esp*Laurent's Robot Skins.esp*SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp*Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp*LegendaryModification.esp*NewFace_Settlers.esp*AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp*RealTroughs.esp*LegendaryModification2LM.esp*LegendaryModificationCSA.esp*LegendaryModificationMisc.esp*SettlementLimitSlashed.esp*SettlementWestEverettEstates.esp*Covenant Expanded WSecret Bunker.esp*UniversityPointSettlementSPE.esp*Rechambering The Commonwealth.esp*CCOFO4 - Traits and More Perks.esp*wasterArmor.esp*Workshop_Planters.esp*DD_All_the_COncrete.esp*Better Settlement Defence.esp*FaceMaxson.esp*HAIA With Crafting.esp*CovenantUnowned.esp*W.A.T.Minutemen.esp*CovenantTurrets.esp*Goodfellow's Diamond City Defences.esp*The Sanctuary Bridge.esp*SSEX.esp*Scrap_Hangman's_Alley.esp*ASE_PerfPatch.esp*Spare Railroad as Institute.esp*StackDLCsFoundations.esp*SLR.esp*ASEFarHarbor.esp*BetterJunkFences.esp*CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp*DLCLetters.esp*EssentialNamedSettlers.esp*ModdableRobotSettlers.esp*ProtectedNamedSettlers.esp*Extended weapon mods.esp*Marmo1233 - Immersive Settlers.esp*IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp*AkaInvisibleFurniture.esp*DOOMMerged.esp*YouAreSPECIAL.esp*Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp*StartMeUp.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 *Be Exceptional - Uninstall.esp <- Do you really want this one enabled as well???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellote Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 *Be Exceptional - Uninstall.esp <- Do you really want this one enabled as well????Fair point, that probably should not be in there. All the same, removing it and starting a new character does not fix my issue, I still crash trying to target the first radroach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wererommel Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Have you tried this? https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/9ecjut/for_those_having_issues_with_vats_crashing_their/ Also, was You Are Special one of the harmless mods you added? You need to start a new game for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellote Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 Have you tried this? https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/9ecjut/for_those_having_issues_with_vats_crashing_their/ Also, was You Are Special one of the harmless mods you added? You need to start a new game for that.I've installed both of those to no effect. It is hard to say which mods are definitely new, since after migrating to Vortex all mods say they were installed at the same time, though I know You Are SPECIAL, Be Exceptional, Level Up Menu and Nora Spouse are all new. I did start a new game for these mods, and did see You Are SPECIAL initialize during the intro sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Are you trying to target them in VATS? Maybe it's a menu problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellote Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 Well, as far as I can tell, I've gone ahead and disabled each and every mod and plugin I have, and the error persists. Unless I somehow have a mod installed manually that's causing problems, I think this is just how my game is going to be. I'll do a clean install, wipe everything including the data in my My Games folder, and see if anything changes. If not, I can always play without VATS, but this is truly strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wererommel Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Try booting from Steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellote Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 Try booting from Steam. Alright, so after a totally clean install, I'm finally able to target with VATS again. I am going to slowly start reinstalling mods starting with F4SE and report back if I can isolate the cause of the crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 There is likely an overlay .swf file (I think) for VATS, that was causing it. With archive invalidation, even if you deactivate the mod that installed it, the game will still use the newer file..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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