Crashing upon entering skyrim, and solstheim, dungeons

[EvanderMistwalker313]

Hello! I have recently run into an issue where I CTD when I enter a dungeon. It does not appear to affect any other cell, so I believe it must be a mesh that is causing an issue. I will attach a papyrus log from the crash, as well as my load order. This has never happened before to me, and has started late in my current play-through.

 

Load Order

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl
254 FE 1 ccqdrsse002-firewood.esl
5 5 ccbgssse016-umbra.esm
6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
254 FE 2 Vibrant weapons.esl
7 7 High Poly Head.esm
8 8 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
9 9 RaceCompatibility.esm
10 a Snow_Elf_Race.esm
11 b MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
254 FE 3 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
12 c Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
13 d ApachiiHairFemales.esm
14 e ApachiiHair.esm
15 f SkyUI_SE.esp
16 10 S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
17 11 Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp
18 12 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
19 13 Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp
20 14 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
21 15 Blowing in the Wind - ELFX Exteriors Patch SSE.esp
22 16 WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp
23 17 NAT.esp
24 18 ELFX - Weathers.esp
25 19 Immersive Wenches.esp
26 1a FMS_FemaleMakeupSuite.esp
27 1b RaceMenu.esp
28 1c RaceMenuPlugin.esp
254 FE 4 DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
29 1d Serana.esp
30 1e DSer360MovementBehavior.esp
31 1f WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest MCM.esp
254 FE 5 Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visuals.esp
254 FE 6 YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
32 20 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
33 21 CBBE.esp
34 22 XPMSE.esp
35 23 Undeath.esp
36 24 Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
37 25 Cutting Room Floor.esp
38 26 OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
39 27 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
40 28 Immersive Jewelry.esp
41 29 Snow Elf Race SE + Immersive Jewelry SE Patch.esp
42 2a AVExpansion.esp
43 2b VelvetRobesandCloaks.esp
44 2c TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
45 2d MagnusGauntlet.esp
46 2e UndeadFX.esp
47 2f AMatterOfTime.esp
48 30 Helgen Reborn.esp
254 FE 7 OCW_ELFX_FEPatch.esp
49 31 Faction Economy - Complete.esp
50 32 Reliquary of Myth.esp
51 33 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
52 34 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
254 FE 8 RoM - Dragon Priest Masks Pack.esp
53 35 HearthfireMultiKid.esp
54 36 TKAA.esp
55 37 Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
254 FE 9 OCW_LotD_FEPatch.esp
56 38 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
254 FE a RoM - Wintersun Patch.esp
57 39 Tools of Kagrenac.esp
58 3a Run For Your Lives.esp
59 3b Cloaks.esp
60 3c SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp
61 3d Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
62 3e Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
63 3f Inigo.esp
64 40 Artifacts.esp
254 FE b DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
65 41 WZOblivionArtifacts.esp
254 FE c DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp
254 FE d DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp
66 42 Arcanum.esp
67 43 UndeathFixes.esp
254 FE e Blood Armory.esp
68 44 Crimson Blood Armor.esp
69 45 PhaserRave_DragonsBloodAttributes.esp
254 FE f UnlimitedFastTravelMCM.esp
70 46 Lydia.esp
71 47 RaceMenuHH.esp
72 48 KaliliesNPCs.esp
254 FE 10 KaliliesNPCs - CRF Patch.esp
73 49 male npc overahul se.esp
254 FE 11 OCW_BCS_FEPatch.esp
74 4a Bring Out Your Dead.esp
75 4b jxsvrageswatch.esp
254 FE 12 OCW_CRF_FEPatch.esp
76 4c Hateful Wenches.esp
77 4d Identity Crisis.esp
254 FE 13 OCW_3DTaP_FEPatch.esp
254 FE 14 DBM_TOK_Patch.esp
254 FE 15 DBM_ELFXExteriors_Patch.esp
254 FE 16 DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp
78 4e Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
79 4f Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
80 50 Phenderix Magic World.esp
254 FE 17 DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
81 51 Lightweight Potions English 2.0.esp
254 FE 18 DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 19 DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp
82 52 Recover Draculas Stolen Artifacts.esp
254 FE 1a DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp
254 FE 1b DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp
254 FE 1c DBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.esp
83 53 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
84 54 The Tale of Tsatampra Xiros.esp
85 55 Sneak Tools.esp
86 56 Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
87 57 Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
254 FE 1d RoM - CRF Patch.esp
88 58 Imperial Post.esp
89 59 Lucien.esp
254 FE 1e OCW_ELFXE_FEPatch.esp
90 5a ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
254 FE 1f DBM_ArtifactsofBoethiah_Patch.esp
91 5b Tainted_Blood.esp
92 5c Growl - Werebeasts of Skyrim.esp
93 5d Tainted_Blood_Growl_Compatibility_Patch.esp
254 FE 20 DBM_ArtifactsofSkyrim_Patch.esp
254 FE 21 DBM_IA_Patch.esp
94 5e FestusKrexSpell.esp
95 5f CHEESE.esp
96 60 GIST soul trap.esp
97 61 GIST-RusticSoulGems-patch.esp
98 62 akornojesus.esp
99 63 P1FlyingRing.esp
100 64 ShadowDancer.esp
101 65 Animated Wings Ultimate.esp
102 66 RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
103 67 Forgotten Wenches.esp
104 68 Judgment Wenches.esp
105 69 Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp
106 6a Deadly Wenches.esp
254 FE 22 GuidingLight.esp
107 6b RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
108 6c BlendedRoads.esp
254 FE 23 MajesticMountains.esp
254 FE 24 DragonboneCrossbow.esp
109 6d dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
110 6e Arvakr.esp
254 FE 25 DBM_CC_GrayCowlReturnsPatch.esp
254 FE 26 DBM_CC_UmbraPatch.esp
111 6f DX Necromancer Robes.esp
254 FE 27 CWRepairs.esp
254 FE 28 OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp
112 70 Slow and Freeze Time Spells -TwinCrows.esp
254 FE 29 Lucien-Umbra-Patch.esp
113 71 GetOutTheWay.esp
114 72 MJHSynthesisRedux.esp
115 73 Supply and Demand.esp
116 74 Blowing in the Wind - Helgen Reborn Patch SSE.esp
117 75 FNIS.esp
118 76 ASwordAccursed_v2.01.esp
119 77 The Dark Arts.esp
120 78 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
121 79 FireBurns.esp
254 FE 2a RoM - Apocalypse Patch.esp
122 7a The Facebreaker.esp
123 7b dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
124 7c AHZmoreHUD.esp
125 7d VioLens SE.esp
126 7e DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
127 7f Footprints.esp
128 80 RichMerchantsSkyrim_x2.esp
129 81 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
130 82 InigoPerkPointGiver.esp
131 83 ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
132 84 HagravenSkinShaders.esp
133 85 Jewelry limiter.esp
134 86 No Vampire Cure on Rumors.esp
135 87 TrainingLimit.esp
136 88 HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp
137 89 more plants all extra.esp
138 8a Helgen Reborn TKAA Patch.esp
139 8b sandboxcylinderheight.esp
140 8c Daedric Stealth Suit.esp
141 8d kanospellabsorbtionring.esp
142 8e Heart Breaker SE.esp
254 FE 2b Increased Urn Loot All.esp
254 FE 2c YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp
143 8f HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
254 FE 2d YOT - Helgen Reborn.esp
254 FE 2e YOT - LOTD5.esp
254 FE 2f YOT - Umbra.esp
144 90 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
145 91 EasyReturnToRoots.esp
146 92 Durnehviir God of Death.esp
147 93 lucien replacer new.esp
148 94 Vicious Heart.esp
149 95 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
150 96 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
151 97 Multiple Enchantments - Ordinator Patch.esp
152 98 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
153 99 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
154 9a Snow_Elf_Race_SCS_Patch.esp
254 FE 30 YOT - Sacrosanct.esp
155 9b Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
156 9c Alternate Start - Child of Coldharbour.esp
157 9d Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
158 9e Convenient Horses.esp
159 9f Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
254 FE 31 YOT - Andromeda.esp
254 FE 32 Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp
254 FE 33 CWR_IC_Patch.esp
160 a0 ELFXEnhancer.esp
161 a1 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
254 FE 34 OCW_CellSettings.esp
162 a2 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
163 a3 WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp

[nt5raham]

Have you made any recent changes, installed a new mod, changed the configuration of a mod, done an update, etc.? Have you been in these particular cells/dungeons before and it just started CTD, or is this the first time you've tried to enter the cells during this play-through?

 

I'm going to venture a guess, based on your load order, that you may not be using LOOT to sort it. If not, I highly recommend using LOOT because many problems can be easily fixed via load order, and LOOT accesses a central database listing orders that are know to function properly. Are you using a mod manager of some type? Vortex, as an example, has LOOT built in and makes sorting a cinch.

 

I also see the last plugin is WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp but I don't see the Bashed Patch itself...

[EvanderMistwalker313]

I have not added any new mods to my load order lately. I will try and remove the WACCF patch. I do use vortex, which auto sorts it.

 

Edit: I manually used the auto sort button on vortex, and disabled the WAACF patch. I still CTD upon entering a dungeon.

Edited October 3, 2020 by EvanderMistwalker313

[nt5raham]

A question remains if this is a problem that just started, or if it has been there all along and you are just discovering it. That's why I asked if you have been able to enter these dungeons before, or if this is the first time you've tried to access them.

 

Is this happening in all dungeons, just one or two, or what? Can you give specifics?

 

Also, do you have any followers with you at the time? If so, have you tried entering without them?

 

You can go through your load order and systematically disable plugins that you think might be related.

 

Or simply disable half of your plugins, and if the CTD stops then you can bet it is one of those disabled, then re-enable half of the ones you disabled and see what happens. Or, if CTD continues, disable half of whatever is still enabled, and son on. Trial and error to narrow it down.

 

Since you are using Vortex, you also have the option of creating a Profile so you can test enable/disable plugins without messing with your actual game load. Use the option in Profiles to Clone your game load.

 

In the event that it may be a corrupted save, try starting a new game with your current load order and see if you can go into the cells in question. You can also back up to a previous save and try entering those cells.

[EvanderMistwalker313]

This has never happened to me before. I have tried entering three separate dungeons. Those dungeons are Volunruud, Kolbjorn Barrow, and Miirrak's temple. This problem has not happened to me before. I have the follower Lucien with me, which has never caused a problem for me before. I have re-validated the game files of skyrim, and that did not do anything to help in this situation.

[nt5raham]

This has never happened to me before. I have tried entering three separate dungeons. Those dungeons are Volunruud, Kolbjorn Barrow, and Miirrak's temple. This problem has not happened to me before. I have the follower Lucien with me, which has never caused a problem for me before. I have re-validated the game files of skyrim, and that did not do anything to help in this situation.

So you have previously gone to Volunruud, Kolbjorn Barrow, and Miirrak's temple without CTD? And now you are trying to re-enter the same locations?

[EvanderMistwalker313]

Yes, I first noticed the problem when I was trying to renter Kolbjorn Barrow for the quest. I had to clear out the drauger again, I had no difficulties the first time. I CTD'd and then I figured I'd try and work on the main quest of the DB dlc. I crashed trying to enter there as well. I went to a location that I had no issues with before, Volunruud, and crashed there as well. I have no issues entering cells that are not dungeons, i.e. houses, inns, etc.

[nt5raham]

Yes, I first noticed the problem when I was trying to renter Kolbjorn Barrow for the quest. I had to clear out the drauger again, I had no difficulties the first time. I CTD'd and then I figured I'd try and work on the main quest of the DB dlc. I crashed trying to enter there as well. I went to a location that I had no issues with before, Volunruud, and crashed there as well. I have no issues entering cells that are not dungeons, i.e. houses, inns, etc.

That is helpful. Even though Lucien has never been a problem before, have you tried going in without him just to see if it makes a difference? Obviously, if you could go there before and you can't now, something has changed. Just trying to narrow down what the problem may be.

[EvanderMistwalker313]

I just tried entering Kolbjorn Barrow without Lucien. I still CTD'd. I tried entering Benkongerike with him as well, and I managed to load into that cell, and then leave. I then tried another cave, Soljunds Sink hole. I CTD'd trying to enter there. It may have something to do with drauger then.

[nt5raham]

I just tried entering Kolbjorn Barrow without Lucien. I still CTD'd. I tried entering Benkongerike with him as well, and I managed to load into that cell, and then leave. I then tried another cave, Soljunds Sink hole. I CTD'd trying to enter there. It may have something to do with drauger then.

You may be onto something there. But aren't there "live" draugr present the first time you entered Kolbjorn Barrow? Still, it wouldn't hurt to disable your draugr mod(s) and try it.