Skyrim Dragonborn DLC CTD's Help Please [Semi-Urgent].

stiXzza · February 22, 2013

Please help:

So I've been playing Dragonborn for a while now, and at first I seemed to get a few CTD's here and there.

After a while, I noticed that they were happening at certain areas on Solstheim, especially in the open world (exterior).

I haven't found a mod which could be the issue, and I don't know how to look at the scripts, or how to pin-point what the cause of this problem could be.

I'm running +/- 5 Graphic mods (SSMIM, AOF Detailed mountains, Realistic Lighting 3.5, Imaginator, a bunch of retextures and Terrain Bump with Enhanced Distant terrain 1_4 HD)

I am also running DUEL Combat Realism 5, Dance of Death 3-3 (non SKSE version) and a bunch of overhual mods (combat + vampires). I have also used BOSS to correct my load order, and it still seems as if the issue persists.

These aren't all my mods [i run about 90 - 100 mods +/-] but only these that I thought were worth mentioning.

My current specs are:

- i7 2600k Quadcore 3.4Ghz

-12 GB RAM

-Asus GTX 560 Ti 1.2 GB

I'm getting annoyed with these CTD's, and they only (mostly) occur on Solstheim

So any help or suggestions at all would be very much appreciated, thanks in advance!

Feel free to add me on steam if you would like a direct conversation: http://steamcommunity.com/id/stiXzza/

styXz || stiXzza

ripple · February 22, 2013

It's not 'urgent', unless you are going to die in the next 48 hours and would like a solid Skyrim gaming session before you do..... :dry:

Post your BOSS (with the messages), include the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated, enclose them in spoiler tags so they don't clutter the screen.

stiXzza · February 23, 2013

Here's the load order:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

Dragonborn.esm

HighResTexturePack02.esp

DawnguardDrainVitalityFix.esp

EveryVampireEyesGrow.esp

realistic lighting.esp

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

Realistic Lighting - Dawnguard Patch.esp

realrain.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp

staticmeshimprovementmod.esp

prometheus_beastskeletons.esp

birdshf.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

DragonSoulsToPerks.esp

fixed followers.esp

higherlevelenemies.esp

ktxcompleteskyforge.esp

milkywaygalaxy.esp

sign.esp

auto unequip ammo.esp

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp

BlackSacramentArmor.esp

BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp

calyps-razorarmor.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

elegantvampirearmor.esp

FA Hide Armor.esp

isilNarsil.esp

KhantuArmor.esp

LustmordVampireArmor.esp

Orcish Sabre.esp

Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp

Svartbough.esp

tos_granitehall.esp

Whiterun Ferns.esp

br_hoodcirclets.esp

terrain bump.esp

tos_amber_guard.esp

tos_laintardale_hf.esp

tos_oakwood_hf.esp

civilwarcleanup.esp

dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp

vampireoverhaul.esp

spellsneak.esp

vampireshadows.esp

Duel - Combat Realism.esp

The Dance of Death.esp

TemptressVixen.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp

reduced distance npc greetings.esp

Purewaters.esp

PurewatersDG.esp

Blacksmithforge water fix.esp

moreandbettermm.esp

vampire lord tweaks.esp

dd - enhanced blood main dg.esp

helmetlesswarrior.esp

higherlevelenemies_dawnguard.esp

AelaTheHuntressFacelift.esp

AlexScorpion's SnakeBow.esp

AtherialCrown-Light.esp

Beards.esp

Better Dragonpriest Dagger.esp

Connys Improved Hearthfire.esp

DawnguardArmory.esp

Dovabear.esp

Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp

Dragonborn Axe Bleed Fix.esp

HighResTexturePack01.esp

DrSKnapsacks-Lore.esp

DrSKnapsacks.esp

Elemental Staves.esp

enchantfreedom.esp

HarvestOverhaul.esp

HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp

HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfire.esp

HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Iridum Eyes by Halendia.esp

JarrinRootForSaleRarely.esp

LeftHandRings.esp

Legendary Artifacts.esp

LydiaHousecarlWhiterunFacelift.esp

MjolltheLionessFacelift.esp

private_nokillblur_test.esp

PurewatersDB.esp

Realistic werewolf speed.esp

RichMerchants.esp

SilverArmor.esp

sit anywhere.esp

staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

Waves.esp

When Vampires Attack.esp

I've stopped using 1 or 2, but they won't make a difference. Thanks. :ohdear:

Edited February 23, 2013 by stiXzza

forum42087 · February 23, 2013

have you checked the papyrus log following a CTD for any errors? also I always sort out a CTD by going through exactly what was going on when it happened, if you say your in open area's is it when LOD's are loading or near civilizations more likely vs. wilderness and what are the most common or frequent assets in that cell that could possibly be the problem? Usually by looking @ the mod list while doing my "breakdown" in my head and combined with any applicable details from the log I can figure it out, or worst case scenario narrow it down to a small enough group that a quick disable/enable process of elimination in NMM takes care of it.

Just curious too, but does BOSS place Dragonborn.esm below ApachiiHair.esm or was that you manually placed? I've always thought a good rule of thumb with load order was too load "Official" plugins first, then customs. Same with the HighResTexturePack01.esp, HighResTexturePack02.esp, and HighResTexturePack03.esp I always keep them the first 3 plugins after the master file section, same thing basically, "Official" first.

Good luck mate I hope you get it sorted and it's nothing major with your save or anything, which is possible when you use a lot of mods, but it's just as likely too be a conflict or error so I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya! :smile:

Edited February 23, 2013 by forum42087

stiXzza · February 23, 2013

have you checked the papyrus log following a CTD for any errors? also I always sort out a CTD by going through exactly what was going on when it happened, if you say your in open area's is it when LOD's are loading or near civilizations more likely vs. wilderness and what are the most common or frequent assets in that cell that could possibly be the problem? Usually by looking @ the mod list while doing my "breakdown" in my head and combined with any applicable details from the log I can figure it out, or worst case scenario narrow it down to a small enough group that a quick disable/enable process of elimination in NMM takes care of it.

Just curious too, but does BOSS place Dragonborn.esm below ApachiiHair.esm or was that you manually placed? I've always thought a good rule of thumb with load order was too load "Official" plugins first, then customs. Same with the HighResTexturePack01.esp, HighResTexturePack02.esp, and HighResTexturePack03.esp I always keep them the first 3 plugins after the master file section, same thing basically, "Official" first.

Good luck mate I hope you get it sorted and it's nothing major with your save or anything, which is possible when you use a lot of mods, but it's just as likely too be a conflict or error so I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya! :smile:

Mmmm, thanks a lot. I see that BOSS does load Dragonborn after Apachii, that's weird. I doubt that it's an issue with my save, because it happened to all my characters (3) at certain spots on the island. So I doubt that it could be a mod conflict, because none of my mods edit the exteriors of Solstheim - let alone I have no mods that alter dragonborn whatsoever.

I'll try loading it before Apachii and see if it helps, but I get the feeling I'm one of many people have CTD issues with dragonborn. Maybe Bethesda will bring out an update, I mean it's really strange that these CTD's happen at certain/spcific point on the island, and I also notice that Solstheim is more intensive on my PC than any other place, so maybe it's that, who knows.

But I have started a new save today, and I'll see if that helps, but other than that, I really don't know what the issue could be. Thanks.

ripple · February 23, 2013

Didn't ask to see a load order, asked to see a BOSS log....

stiXzza · February 23, 2013

Didn't ask to see a load order, asked to see a BOSS log....

Is this what you are asking:

Skyrim.esm Active
Update.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 73 ITM, 1 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Dawnguard.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
HearthFires.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Dragonborn.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 57 ITM, 8 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
ApachiiHair.esm Active
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
DawnguardDrainVitalityFix.esp
EveryVampireEyesGrow.esp Active
- Note: This mod will not be compatible with any mods that alter humanoid(imperial, breton, nord, redguard) race. Also, not compatible with mods that have Babette's facegendata(0001D4B7.NIF).
realrain.esp Active
mintylightningmod.esp Active
Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp Active
staticmeshimprovementmod.esp Active
prometheus_beastskeletons.esp Active
birdshf.esp Active
- Note: Obsolete. Update to the latest renamed version, BirdsHFclean.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active
DragonSoulsToPerks.esp
fixed followers.esp Active
higherlevelenemies.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
ktxcompleteskyforge.esp Active
milkywaygalaxy.esp Active
sign.esp Active
auto unequip ammo.esp Active
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp Active
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp Active
- Note: Make sure you have not switched DoF off in your ini file. If you don't see any effect, open you Skyrimprefs.ini and look for 'bDoDepthOfField'. Make sure it is set to 1.
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp Active
AlexScorpion's SnakeBow.esp Active
BlackSacramentArmor.esp Active
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp Active
calyps-razorarmor.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp Active
elegantvampirearmor.esp Active
Elemental Staves.esp Active
FA Hide Armor.esp Active
isilNarsil.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 15 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
KhantuArmor.esp Active
LeftHandRings.esp Active
LustmordVampireArmor.esp Active
Orcish Sabre.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
SilverArmor.esp Active
Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp
- Warning: Contains unexpected (or out of order) records. A compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)
Svartbough.esp Active
HarvestOverhaul.esp Active
HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp Active
HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp Active
HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfire.esp Active
tos_granitehall.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 10 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
When Vampires Attack.esp Active
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Whiterun Ferns.esp Active
br_hoodcirclets.esp Active
Connys Improved Hearthfire.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 121 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Legendary Artifacts.esp Active
Realistic werewolf speed.esp Active
RichMerchants.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
terrain bump.esp Active
tos_amber_guard.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 36 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
tos_laintardale_hf.esp Active
tos_oakwood_hf.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
civilwarcleanup.esp
realistic lighting.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp Active
Realistic Lighting - Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp Active
- Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.
vampireoverhaul.esp Active
spellsneak.esp Active
vampireshadows.esp Active
Duel - Combat Realism.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
The Dance of Death.esp Active
- Warning: Dawnguard detected. Use The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp instead.
private_nokillblur_test.esp Active
sit anywhere.esp Active
Beards.esp Active
TemptressVixen.esp Active
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active
- Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.
UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp Active
UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp Active
UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp Active
reduced distance npc greetings.esp Active
AelaTheHuntressFacelift.esp Active
LydiaHousecarlWhiterunFacelift.esp Active
MjolltheLionessFacelift.esp Active
Purewaters.esp Active
PurewatersDG.esp Active
Blacksmithforge water fix.esp Active

EDIT:

That was a log from a week or so ago, that's the last time I ran it. So I've disabled/uninstalled the following:

-Blacksmithforge water fix.esp Active

-Realistic werewolf speed.esp Active

-Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp

-Orcish Sabre.esp Active

-isilNarsil.esp Active

-DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp Active

-DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp Active

-DragonSoulsToPerks.esp

That's it.

NOTE: I posted my system specs earlier, and I am running a few retextures, SMIM and RLwC 3.5 . So could it be an issue with memory?

EDIT #2:

I've pinpointed on of the locations on Solstheim which give me a CTD no matter how I travel to it (walk, fast tarvel, console) -> Brodir Grove. Hope that helps anyone who is helping me, if there is someone :3

Edited February 23, 2013 by stiXzza

borix666 · February 23, 2013

I have a similar issue, so I won`t start another topic. When I sleep in Solstheim, I wake up near temple of Miraak or a stone, and I cant go away because of CTD. I tried walking, fast travel and console commands - all results in CTD. Also I tried turning off all mods, lowering resolution, loading older saves. Can you help me?

ripple · February 23, 2013

@borix

Don't post your issue in other people's request for assistance thread. It just confuses the thread. Please start your own request for assistance thread.

@stiXzza

Re-enable the plugins you disabled, then...

1) Cleaning: download TES5Edit from that link, follow the instructions on the page and clean all the plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edit.' You'll need to remove identical to master entries as well as undelete/disable deleted references.

2) Did BOSS also generate a list of plugins it did not recognized?

3) If you can consistently reproduce the CTD, the easiest way to find out if a mod (and which) is responsible is to disable the plugins in groups then test in game, so you can narrow down on the plugin that is responsible for causing or triggering the CTDs.

If you are running out of VRAM because of the texture mods you are using, that might account for some random CTDs, but not the reproducible one.

Edited February 23, 2013 by ripple

stiXzza · February 23, 2013

ripple, on 23 Feb 2013 - 21:05, said:
@borix
Don't post your issue in other people's request for assistance thread. It just confuses the thread. Please start your own request for assistance thread.

@stiXzza
Re-enable the plugins you disabled, then...

1) Cleaning: download TES5Edit from that link, follow the instructions on the page and clean all the plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edit.' You'll need to remove identical to master entries as well as undelete/disable deleted references.

2) Did BOSS also generate a list of plugins it did not recognized?

3) If you can consistently reproduce the CTD, the easiest way to find out if a mod (and which) is responsible is to disable the plugins in groups then test in game, so you can narrow down on the plugin that is responsible for causing or triggering the CTDs.

If you are running out of VRAM because of the texture mods you are using, that might account for some random CTDs, but not the reproducible one.

Thanks a lot, I'll try it.

Just a question: What is this "Cleaning". I've seen quite a bit of it, and I just want to know what it could be. So what does it mean if a module isn't "clean"?

Here are the unrecognized plugins from BOSSLog:

moreandbettermm.esp Active
vampire lord tweaks.esp Active
dd - enhanced blood main dg.esp Active
helmetlesswarrior.esp Active
higherlevelenemies_dawnguard.esp Active
DrSKnapsacks-Lore.esp Active
DrSKnapsacks.esp Active
enchantfreedom.esp Active
Iridum Eyes by Halendia.esp Active
JarrinRootForSaleRarely.esp Active
PurewatersDB.esp Active
staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp Active
Waves.esp Active

And another question:

Is there a way to see whether or not it could be my VRAM?

Thanks in advance ripple!

---------EDIT-----------

So I've done that where I disable a lot (mostly graphical) mods, and the issue still persisted.

I just ran BOSS again, so here is an updated list:

Recognized

Skyrim.esm Active
Update.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 73 ITM, 1 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Dawnguard.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
HearthFires.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Dragonborn.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 57 ITM, 8 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
ApachiiHair.esm Active
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
DawnguardDrainVitalityFix.esp
EveryVampireEyesGrow.esp Active
- Note: This mod will not be compatible with any mods that alter humanoid(imperial, breton, nord, redguard) race. Also, not compatible with mods that have Babette's facegendata(0001D4B7.NIF).
realrain.esp Active
mintylightningmod.esp Active
Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp Active
staticmeshimprovementmod.esp Active
prometheus_beastskeletons.esp Active
birdshf.esp Active
- Note: Obsolete. Update to the latest renamed version, BirdsHFclean.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active
fixed followers.esp Active
higherlevelenemies.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
ktxcompleteskyforge.esp Active
milkywaygalaxy.esp Active
sign.esp Active
auto unequip ammo.esp Active
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp Active
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp Active
AlexScorpion's SnakeBow.esp Active
BlackSacramentArmor.esp Active
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp Active
calyps-razorarmor.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
elegantvampirearmor.esp Active
Elemental Staves.esp Active
FA Hide Armor.esp Active
Insanity's Dragonbane.esp Active
Insanity's Kahvozein Fang.esp Active
KhantuArmor.esp Active
LeftHandRings.esp Active
LustmordVampireArmor.esp Active
SilverArmor.esp Active
Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp
- Warning: Contains unexpected (or out of order) records. A compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)
Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp Active
Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp Active
HarvestOverhaul.esp Active
HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp Active
HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp Active
HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfire.esp Active
tos_granitehall.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 10 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
When Vampires Attack.esp Active
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Whiterun Ferns.esp Active
br_hoodcirclets.esp Active
Connys Improved Hearthfire.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 121 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Legendary Artifacts.esp Active
RichMerchants.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
terrain bump.esp Active
tos_amber_guard.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 36 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
tos_laintardale_hf.esp Active
tos_oakwood_hf.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
civilwarcleanup.esp
realistic lighting.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp Active
Realistic Lighting - Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp Active
- Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.
vampireoverhaul.esp Active
ShoutCD.esp Active
TrueDragonblood-DawnguardV001.esp Active
- Incompatible with: ShoutCD.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active
spellsneak.esp Active
vampireshadows.esp Active
The Dance of Death.esp Active
- Warning: Dawnguard detected. Use The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp instead.
private_nokillblur_test.esp Active
sit anywhere.esp Active
Beards.esp Active
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active
- Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.
UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp Active
UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp Active
UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp Active
reduced distance npc greetings.esp Active
AelaTheHuntressFacelift.esp Active
LydiaHousecarlWhiterunFacelift.esp Active
MjolltheLionessFacelift.esp Active
Purewaters.esp Active
PurewatersDG.esp Active
Waves.esp Active

Unrecognized:

moreandbettermm.esp Active
vampire lord tweaks.esp Active
dd - enhanced blood main dg.esp Active
helmetlesswarrior.esp Active
higherlevelenemies_dawnguard.esp Active
DrSKnapsacks-Lore.esp Active
DrSKnapsacks.esp Active
enchantfreedom.esp Active
Iridum Eyes by Halendia.esp Active
JarrinRootForSaleRarely.esp Active
PurewatersDB.esp Active
staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp Active
Improved Dragonpriest Daggers.esp Active
Odins Armoury.esp Active
Odins BattleaxeTempering.esp Active
TrueDragonblood-DragonboornV001.esp Active

I'll look at the TES5Edit, but I must admit that I am a bit lazy to go to that extent.

Hope that info helped.

Thanks

Edited February 23, 2013 by stiXzza

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