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Artholix

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I was doing the quest getting the horn of Jurgen Windcaller, and stopped at Morthal on my way back to Riverwood. Went into the Inn and rented a room, I slept for 8 hours. When I woke up and got up from the bed I switched to 3rd person and noticed I was still laying down. I went to 1st person and could move around fine but the moment I went to 3rd I could no longer move and was laying down like I was sleeping. I went outside of the Inn and took screenshots.

 

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb455/Artholix/Screenshot1464.png

 

And another after I moved a little ways into town:

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb455/Artholix/Screenshot6898.png

 

Every time I try to enter a building or wait or try to load a previous save I CTD. I have no idea how to fix this. I am assuming it is some mod conflict but afaik I don't have any mod that has to do with sleeping animations.

 

Here's a list of my mods anyways:

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
SPIKE.esm
Fantasy Music Overhaul.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Clanking Armor.esp
IceBreaker's Improved Reverb-v0.02-Cleaned.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
LIAT - Sounds.esp
randomthunder.esp
Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp
BirdsHF.esp
Birdsofskyrim.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Candle_DG.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Caravaner.esp
JBS_hunting.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - RCRN Pure.esp
LIAT - NPCs.esp
RealShelter.esp
Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Tytanis.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
Footprints.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
LeftHandRings.esp
Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp
Northborn Fur Hoods.esp
3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Realcitiessolitude.esp
SleepingDangers-SandsofTime.esp
Masters of Death.esp
Distant DetailHF.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Headtracking.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Killable Children.esp
Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp
OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp
Riften Bigger Trees.esp
Skyrim bigger trees.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp
Hunting in Skyrim - No Perks.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
InvestedMagic.esp
Duel - Combat Realism.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
SkyRe_Combat.esp
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
SkyRe_Survivalism.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
SkyRe_Races.esp
getSnowy.esp
WATER.esp
WATER Plants.esp
Blacksmithforge water fix.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
ReProccer.esp
Fantasy Music Overhaul - Combat Music.esp
Fantasy Music Overhaul - Unique Town Music.esp
IHSS.esp
LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
MVABasic.esp
realcitieswhiterun.esp
DragonFastTravelRedone.esp
Urge - Lighter Dragon Bones And Scales.esp
Binocular Vision Game Settings 135.esp
UniqueBows.esp
MidasSkyrim.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
WetandCold.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
Cloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
rcrnShaders.esp
RCRNvolumetric.esp
Supreme Fog.esp
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

 

 

If anyone has any idea what is going on that would be great. Thanks for the help.

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Well, I have had the same issue this playthrough, which I ascribed to Frostfall (since that was a new mod for me)--but since you don't have that, perhaps something else is going on.

Personally, I have noticed an increase in script-related problems since getting the Dawnguard DLC.

 

I'm afraid I don't have a solution for you (except maybe not to use Dawnguard, but who wants that?)

However, what I have found is that issues such as you describe seem to happen randomly and not very often. When they do occur, I have found simply saving the game and reloading it (I don't have to exit the game, just it save and then load the game again) has worked fine for me to be able to continue the game. Hope that is at least a little useful to you!

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Well, I have had the same issue this playthrough, which I ascribed to Frostfall (since that was a new mod for me)--but since you don't have that, perhaps something else is going on.

Personally, I have noticed an increase in script-related problems since getting the Dawnguard DLC.

 

I'm afraid I don't have a solution for you (except maybe not to use Dawnguard, but who wants that?)

However, what I have found is that issues such as you describe seem to happen randomly and not very often. When they do occur, I have found simply saving the game and reloading it (I don't have to exit the game, just it save and then load the game again) has worked fine for me to be able to continue the game. Hope that is at least a little useful to you!

 

I actually do have Frostfall, 14th one down the list. I'll try what you said with saving and reloading. Thanks for the response Georgiegril.

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Turns out I CTD every time I try to save, whether that be a new save or overwrite a previous save. Would this problem persist in a new game when attempting to sleep? I'd hate to have to start the game completely over again hoping this doesn't continue to happen. There wouldn't be some console command that would be relevant here would there?

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The first thing I would do, is go through your saves folder and delete any with .tmp at the end. This will not work properly, and will add to your troubles. Also you may want to check the size of your save game files...if you find that they became drastically larger at some point, you might try going back to one that is smaller.

 

Then, this is what I would try for the save: Go back to an earlier save, before the sleeping problem save (a complete save is much better than a fast save, if you are using those.). Then, enter an interior cell (like a house or store) and try to save. If that doesn't work, you could try to find an earlier save (preferably in an interior cell) and then use the console command player.kill. That should kill you and reload the cell. Then, before trying to save, I would try to go through a door or fast travel, then save again, if you can.

 

There are a few causes for save issues. Looking at your list, which is fairly similar to mine, I would investigate your weapons/armor mods, maybe rerun the reproccer? In an old game before the reprocc existed, I had a similar crash on save, which only existed if I had a particular weapon in my possession, which I surmised had not been patched properly for skyre.

 

the only other thing...your mods list looks a lot like mine, but a few mods seem much different in their load order. Maybe you could try to run BOSS again, or try moving your manually placed mods around to see if it is simply a load order thing?

 

Sorry about missing the frostfall mod, derp.

If none of that works, maybe someone else will have an idea....

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The first thing I would do, is go through your saves folder and delete any with .tmp at the end. This will not work properly, and will add to your troubles. Also you may want to check the size of your save game files...if you find that they became drastically larger at some point, you might try going back to one that is smaller.

 

Then, this is what I would try for the save: Go back to an earlier save, before the sleeping problem save (a complete save is much better than a fast save, if you are using those.). Then, enter an interior cell (like a house or store) and try to save. If that doesn't work, you could try to find an earlier save (preferably in an interior cell) and then use the console command player.kill. That should kill you and reload the cell. Then, before trying to save, I would try to go through a door or fast travel, then save again, if you can.

 

There are a few causes for save issues. Looking at your list, which is fairly similar to mine, I would investigate your weapons/armor mods, maybe rerun the reproccer? In an old game before the reprocc existed, I had a similar crash on save, which only existed if I had a particular weapon in my possession, which I surmised had not been patched properly for skyre.

 

the only other thing...your mods list looks a lot like mine, but a few mods seem much different in their load order. Maybe you could try to run BOSS again, or try moving your manually placed mods around to see if it is simply a load order thing?

 

Sorry about missing the frostfall mod, derp.

If none of that works, maybe someone else will have an idea....

 

Thanks for all the help Georgiegril, you're awesome. I'll try what you said soon.

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I deleted all .tmp files and I reran the reproccer and BOSS. I loaded a save when I was in Ustengrav Depths, I did the player.kill command and went back up the tunnel and entered into regular Ustengrav. There was no crash there, so that was promising. I created a new save there, but when I try to enter back into Ustengrav Depths I get a CTD. So I guess at this point I will try disabling armor/weapon mods to see if that is the issue.

My BOSS log has some unrecognized plugins, and I haven't a clue where in the load order they should be placed.

They are:

Fantasy Music Overhaul.esm
Fantasy Music Overhaul - Combat Music.esm
Fantasy Music Overhaul - Unique Town Music.esm
IHSS.esp (this is Improved Horse Step Sound)
Left Hand Rings - Dawnguard.esp
MVABasic.esp (More Village Animals)
realcitieswhiterun,esp
DragonFastTravelRedone.esp
Urge - Lighter Dragon Bones And Scales.esp
Binocular Vision Game Setting 135.esp
UniqueBows.esp
1nicWICSkyCloaksPatch-No ImpGuards.esp(Not active in load order)
1nicWICSkyCloaksPatch-NoGuards.esp(Not active in load order)

Do you think the Unique bows could be the issue with SkyRe?

 

EDIT: Disabled Unique Bows and no change.

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Hi,

Those unrecognized mods, usually it is enough to place them with similar mods in your list. Something there could be causing your issue. I don't have all of your mods, but I can make some suggestions based on my own list:

1. Anything you included in the reprocc needs to be above it. Also, if you remove something that you included in the reprocc (like the bows?) you will need to run the reprocc again.

2. Put armor mods (including the cloaks) together, and weapons mods (iincluding unique bows) together, UNLESS you are not including them in the reprocc patch. In that case, any mod you are using but did not reprocc neeed to go after the patch.

3. I don't use your music mods, but I use personalized music, and BOSS puts that up near the top--it's first after all the .esms, so you might try that for your music mod. Maybe try the horse sounds up that way, too?

4. I don't know where your binocular vision mod would go, I don't use anything like it. Maybe check at the mod page to see what the author suggests?

4. The other mods, I am concerned that they might have conflicts with SkyRe--have you checked that out? Generally speaking, though, if you want a mod to overwrite SkyRe's changes (like with the lighter dragon bones) you would need to put it after the skyre modules (I use weightless ingredients, and that is similar to your bones thing. I think the left hand rings may also need that) The ones I am really not sure about are realistic cities and and more animals--I'd read the mods again to see if they are compatible with skyre, and where to place them.)

 

When you reran BOSS, did you look at the log and read the messages, then follow any instructions?

 

What is your savegame file size? Also is there any chance that you are exceeding your memory limits?

 

Another thought, just in case you are dealing with a problem related to something you are carrying--you might try dropping everything you are currently carrying/wearing in that interior cell, exiting, saving, then fast traveling somewhere safe (like to a house), since will will have noweapons/armor. Wait a week and then try saving again, Your stuff will be gone forever (if you continue from that save)--if this works then you have an idea that it is something related to what you had in your inventory. If it doesn't work, you can check that off your list, go back to the older save, and keep trying other things. (If it does work, then you can go back to the older save and try dropping just a few things at a time to figure out where the problem lies. I have had problems in the past with odd things like the dwemer fork, the spider control rod, the glass scimitar, so it may be just the odd thing in your possession that is the problem.)

 

If none of that works, I think you may be forced to go though basic mod troubleshooting, systematically removing mods one or two at a time, (exactly as instructed by the mod author) until the problem goes away, then adding mods back in to see if it reappears. This is not without possible complication, the main one being that removing a mod can create orphaned scripts, which is reduced by following the authors instructions, but not 100% foolproof. If you do this, (and want to use Skyre) I would start with mods that may conflict with Skyre. Then mods that are script-heavy (like those that spawn things, change animations, etc).

 

The other thing is, if you are dealing with some sort of orphaned script now, all that time may be wasted, and you simply may not be able to save your game. It's a matter of how much you are attached to your current playthrough and how much you want to invest in troubleshooting.

 

If you do decide to start anew, I'd suggest a complete clean reinstall of the game, no mods until after Helgen, then adding in just your most essential mods (like maybe Skyre and the unofficial patches), running BOSS and playing a bit before adding a couple more, running BOSS playing a bit...until you are where you want or you start getting problems. In this way, you may be able to identify a problem more easily.

 

Sorry this is rambling, I've had only 2 hours sleep. Need more coffee! Hope something here does help.

Also hope someone else may have a faster and more elegant solution!

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