Cannot Load Saves

[petroooooooo]

My saves will not load anymore, I was having problems with AllGUD derivative and eventually my saves broke. I can start a new game and coc qasmoke, but cannot load the old saves in game after doing either of those. The game's loading screens come up, and then it crashes before the actual game starts, and this happens if I load in game, with the main menu load function, or the main menu continue function. My save has been cleaned as well as the game files verified through steam. Any ideas on what I could do? Here's my load order

 

Edit: Link isn't working, here's the load order

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 RSkyrimChildren.esm
6 6 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
7 7 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
8 8 3DNPC.esp
254 FE 0 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
9 9 JSwordsD.esm
10 a Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
254 FE 1 Legendary Elder Scrolls Loading Screen.esl
11 b Wyrmstooth.esp
12 c RE_RealEstate_Core.esp
13 d FISS.esp
14 e SkyUI_SE.esp
15 f Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
16 10 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
17 11 Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp
18 12 Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
19 13 Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp
20 14 Immersive Weapons.esp
21 15 S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
254 FE 2 aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp
22 16 TKDodge.esp
23 17 CBBE.esp
24 18 immersive roads.esp
25 19 Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
26 1a JKs Skyrim.esp
27 1b Cutting Room Floor.esp
28 1c Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
29 1d JKs_Skyrim_No_Lights_Patch.esp
30 1e Footprints.esp
31 1f RaceMenu.esp
32 20 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
33 21 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
34 22 WetandCold.esp
35 23 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
36 24 honedmetal.esp
37 25 AHZmoreHUD.esp
38 26 UnreadBooksGlow.esp
39 27 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
40 28 SFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.esp
41 29 iHUD.esp
42 2a Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
43 2b SimplyKnock.esp
44 2c Peacekeeper Armour.esp
254 FE 3 EVGConditionalIdles.esp
45 2d No NPC Greetings.esp
46 2e Better Dynamic Snow.esp
47 2f attack commitment movement speed fluid.esp
48 30 VampireSun.esp
49 31 NorthernGrass.esp
50 32 Dark Face Bug Fix.esp
51 33 zz_GDRAHoods.esp
52 34 chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
53 35 LazyItemEdit.esp
54 36 TheEyesOfBeautyAllRacesPatch.esp
55 37 KS Hairdo's.esp
254 FE 4 playerequipmentmanager.esp
254 FE 5 FleshFX.esp
56 38 GirlHeavyArmorEbonyDwarven.esp
57 39 Helgen Reborn.esp
58 3a Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
59 3b AVExpansion.esp
60 3c Eli_Breezehome.esp
61 3d LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
62 3e Man Those Borders!.esp
63 3f LC_FeudalKeep.esp
64 40 RE_RealEstate.esp
65 41 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
66 42 OwnCivilWar.esp
67 43 Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
68 44 Immersive Music.esp
69 45 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
70 46 NewArmoury.esp
71 47 Ket_ARMONIZER_LL_v4.esp
72 48 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
73 49 Run For Your Lives.esp
74 4a Cloaks.esp
75 4b Growl - Werebeasts of Skyrim.esp
76 4c Dr_Bandolier.esp
77 4d PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
78 4e HeljarchenFarm.esp
79 4f konahrik_accoutrements.esp
80 50 SeranaDialogAddon.esp
81 51 Immersive Patrols II.esp
82 52 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
83 53 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
84 54 DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
85 55 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
86 56 CosmeticVampireOverhaul.esp
87 57 Unlimited Charge for Unique Items.esp
88 58 Unique Uniques.esp
89 59 VioLens SE.esp
90 5a DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp
91 5b Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
92 5c notice board.esp
93 5d Distinct Interiors.esp
94 5e Unlimited Charge - Unique Uniques Compatibility Patch.esp
95 5f Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
254 FE 6 Cuyima 3DNPC - Redone.esp
96 60 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
97 61 Distinct Interiors - Guilds.esp
98 62 More idle markers.esp
99 63 Real Estate USSEP.esp
254 FE 7 3DNPC - CRF Patch.esp
100 64 RSC CRF Patch.esp
101 65 Dawnguard Dont Hunt Cured Vampires.esp
102 66 SignatureEquipment.esp
103 67 SimplyFasterArrows.esp
254 FE 8 AIO SE TATTOOS.esp
104 68 CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp
105 69 CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp
106 6a Serana Hood Removal.esp
107 6b PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
108 6c sandboxcylinderheight.esp
109 6d Distinct Interiors - Miscellaneous.esp
110 6e Distinct Interiors - Shops.esp
254 FE 9 Wildcat-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
111 6f KozakowyFalkaArmor.esp
112 70 UltimateCombat.esp
113 71 PAN_NPCs_Males.esp
114 72 PAN_NPCs.esp
115 73 Bijin Wives.esp
254 FE a KSHairdosSMP.esp
254 FE b KSWigsSMP.esp
116 74 UIExtensions.esp
117 75 AddItemMenuSE.esp
118 76 RSChildren.esp
119 77 3PCO.esp
120 78 Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
254 FE c Improved Shadows and Volumetric Lighting.esp
121 79 Serana.esp
254 FE d USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
254 FE e Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visuals.esp
254 FE f JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp
122 7a Facelight.esp
123 7b Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
124 7c Better Shrouded Armour SSE - Ancient Replacer Only.esp
125 7d SineadFollower.esp
254 FE 10 Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Cutting Room Floor Locations.esp
126 7e The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
127 7f Landscape For Grass mods - Helgen Reborn Patch.esp
128 80 HoldBorderBanners.esp
129 81 Echtra.esp
130 82 DIS_Armor_Fractions.esp
254 FE 11 Generic Grass Limiter.esp
254 FE 12 NARC SE for Vanilla.esp
254 FE 13 NARC SE patch - SIC.esp
131 83 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
132 84 NB-Scars.esp
133 85 Brows.esp
134 86 Beards.esp
135 87 DSer360MovementBehavior.esp
FNIS.esp
136 88 AttackBehaviorTweaks.esp
137 89 Stances - Dynamic Weapon Movesets SE.esp
254 FE 14 Stances - Add-On.esp
138 8a XPMSE.esp
139 8b Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
140 8c Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
141 8d Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
142 8e Better Vampires.esp
143 8f Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
254 FE 15 Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Alternate start Locations.esp
144 90 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
145 91 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
146 92 Convenient Horses.esp
147 93 Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp
148 94 Landscape For Grass Mods -Immersive Citizens PATCH.esp
149 95 Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
254 FE 16 NARC SE patch - Convenient Horses.esp
150 96 nwsFollowerFramework.esp
254 FE 17 SDA NFF Patch.esp
254 FE 18 nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp
254 FE 19 nwsFF_NTMD_Apocalypse.esp
151 97 Bijin Warmaidens.esp
152 98 NAT.esp
153 99 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
154 9a Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
254 FE 1a 3DNPC0.esp
155 9b 3DNPC Don't Call Me Dragonborn.esp
156 9c RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp
157 9d ZedUnlimitedWeaponEnchant.esp
158 9e Dual Blocking for Idiots v1.35a.esp
159 9f Animated Immersive Weaps.esp
160 a0 AnimatedHeavyArmoury.esp
161 a1 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
162 a2 Project Proteus.esp
163 a3 Project Proteus - Growl Patch.esp
164 a4 All Geared Up Derivative.esp
165 a5 Apachii Store AllGUD patch.esp
166 a6 Away AllGUD patch.esp
167 a7 CGO AllGUD patch.esp
168 a8 IA AllGUD Patch.esp
169 a9 Proj Proteus AllGUD patch.esp

 

Edited March 9, 2021 by petroooooooo

[anjenthedog]

Does it come up partially and then crash? If so, try loading the same save until it does (or doesn't). I sometimes experience a situation after installing a new mod where the save will load (ie I can see the surroundings and my character) but then crashes immediately. If I'm stubborn and try to load it several times, it eventually loads correctly. That is, something's choking during in-game initialization. Why it takes several idk, but eventually the problem goes away. Once it does load, i usually create a new save, exit the game, then clean the last save using Fallrim tools. sometimes it shows junk, sometimes not.

 

PS> Your pastbin is empty.

 

Worst case, you'll need to do "the thing"... start uninstalling mods in reverse order of installation to find the culprit.

[petroooooooo]

Does it come up partially and then crash? If so, try loading the same save until it does (or doesn't). I sometimes experience a situation after installing a new mod where the save will load (ie I can see the surroundings and my character) but then crashes immediately. If I'm stubborn and try to load it several times, it eventually loads correctly. That is, something's choking during in-game initialization. Why it takes several idk, but eventually the problem goes away. Once it does load, i usually create a new save, exit the game, then clean the last save using Fallrim tools. sometimes it shows junk, sometimes not.

 

PS> Your pastbin is empty.

 

Worst case, you'll need to do "the thing"... start uninstalling mods in reverse order of installation to find the culprit.

Yep, sorry about that, check the spoiler. I've loaded it many times over the course of 4 or so hours while trying to fix the issue, and it crashes before the game appears unfortunately

[anjenthedog]

Well, I'm afraid that last sentence I wrote is the likely situation then.

[petroooooooo]

Well, I'm afraid that last sentence I wrote is the likely situation then.

if I'm using MO2, i can just disable the mods under the middle list, correct?

 

Edit: My only recently installed mods (Nemesis, CGO, Attack Behavior Revamped, Stances and Stances Addon, FISS, Proteus, and reinstalls of XP32 and DAR) are not causing the problem. And to clarify, I was running the game perfectly fine with the entire load order I posted and it was all running great

Edited March 9, 2021 by petroooooooo

[anjenthedog]

 

Well, I'm afraid that last sentence I wrote is the likely situation then.

if I'm using MO2, i can just disable the mods under the middle list, correct?

 

Edit: My only recently installed mods (Nemesis, CGO, Attack Behavior Revamped, Stances and Stances Addon, FISS, Proteus, and reinstalls of XP32 and DAR) are not causing the problem. And to clarify, I was running the game perfectly fine with the entire load order I posted and it was all running great

 

to be honest, I'm not sure. In Vortex, (which is what I use) afaik, disabling a mod doesn't always shut down its resources, it simply disables the mod. Best practice in Vortex is to Uninstall the mod. If that's what "disabling" means in MO2 then sure, but if it works like 'disabling' in Vortex, I'd say no, it's not guaranteed sufficient to ensure that all residuals of the mod will be removed.

 

I'm afraid that you'll have to wait for a fellow MO2 user to answer that. Or chance it.

 

PS, just to be clear (whichever you do)

1) uninstall/(or disable) the last installed mod

2) open game and see if something will load... if any save will load (not just the last save)

3) if so, then you probably found the bad guy, make a new save from that point and clean the save

4) if not, go to step 1 to deal with the next to last installed mod...

 

Repeat and rinse as necessary. It can be unpleasant, especially if you bulk installed a wad of mods and then encountered an issue, but there it is

 

PS> if that IS the case (you bulk installed a bunch of mods)... I'd recommend that you not do so in the future, one by one is the safest way to go, tedious as it might seem

 

Best wishes

[petroooooooo]

 

 

Well, I'm afraid that last sentence I wrote is the likely situation then.

if I'm using MO2, i can just disable the mods under the middle list, correct?

 

Edit: My only recently installed mods (Nemesis, CGO, Attack Behavior Revamped, Stances and Stances Addon, FISS, Proteus, and reinstalls of XP32 and DAR) are not causing the problem. And to clarify, I was running the game perfectly fine with the entire load order I posted and it was all running great

 

to be honest, I'm not sure. In Vortex, (which is what I use) afaik, disabling a mod doesn't always shut down its resources, it simply disables the mod. Best practice is to Uninstall the mod. If that's what "disabling" means in MO2 then sure, but if it works like 'disabling' in Vortex, I'd say no, it's not guaranteed sufficient to ensure that all residuals of the mod ill be removed.

 

I'm afraid that you'll have to wait for a fellow MO2 user to answer that. Or chance it.

 

Best wishes

 

As far as I know, through MO2, you can either disable the mod in the load order, or disable the files of the whole mod, which is what I was doing. I'm not sure what to do at this point so I might just start a new game and turn my old character into a follower with Proteus lol

[anjenthedog]

Please see my edited reply. It has a fuller answer. You were too darned quick!

[petroooooooo]

Please see my edited reply. It has a fuller answer. You were too darned quick!

Gotcha, that's what I was doing, thanks haha. I think I'm going with the "new game, old character a follower" solution lol. It's not ideal, but at least I can get rid of mods and add mods onto a new character

[HadToRegister]

One important thing.

DO NOT, under any circumstances, Install or Remove mods in the middle of a game with a character you care about.
Adding or removing mods from a game that has scripts etc baked into the save, will cause the index numbers of the mods to change, leaving all of the scripts baked into the save, as "orphaned" because they are still looking for the old mod with a specific prefix, and by adding and removing mods, you end up changing ALL of the prefixes of ALL the mods that load after the ones you removed ad/or added.

Have you looked at the save using FallrimTools and checked how many Unattached Instances you have in that save that crashes?

You could also be missing a master, if you happened to remove a mod