thanks, what I can't understand is why they can do all that really nicely in fallout 3 with great performance but not in oblivion? they probably could patch oblivion to help keep it beautiful, I mean its such a great game with so much effort and hard work poured into it. It looks like everybody worked so hard on it, the voice acting, the music, the massive world, the creative quests and writing, would it be so hard for the devs to just patch or do whatever they need to so that oblivion has the same type of lod type deal as fallout 3? if I ever have kids i'm going to have them play oblivion, i don't want them to be playing oblivion and whinging because the forts and bridges all pop into existence 100 metres in front.