This question donned on me earlier. In our society Hitler is generally accepted as the incarnation of absolute evil, the ultimate ass, but is he really? I don't like to enter into discussion of evil, because I find that to be metaphysical bullshit and open to wide interpretation. For the sake of clarity and concencus, I generally reference assness as a substitute. Both evil and assness are commonly defined by one thing: selfishness. As for the question of who was a bigger turkey, I think what needs be asked is who was more selfish? Hitler or Kim Jong II First let's examine Hitler's case. Now Hitler was not a selfless person by a large regard, but one could argue he still did care about his people, about his country, and about the future of both. He wanted to rid the world of those peoples who he viewed to be the cancers that plagued the humanity and prevented it from becoming all it could be. Fortunately for him, they were all easily identified themselves by their skin, heritage, or ideologies, and even more fortunately for him these all happened to be people he never liked in the first place. Kim Jong-il on the other hand is arguably much less noble than his Hitler. For example, while Hitler had only one large & elaborate mansion built for his personal use, Kim Jong-il has 17, at least one featuring watersides and many having large golf courses. While not busy stealing food from his own people and subsequently watching them starve to death, he enjoys the benefits of "western capitalism" that he brainwashes his people to fear; things like vising Tokyo Disneyland, viewing home of his 20,000 movies. To top it all off the only work he actually does as the leader of his nation only revolves around one thing, protecting his own ass by threatening to blow up japan. In short, Hitler really cared about some people, and all he asked was that they look like him, came from a similar heritage, and agreed with everything he said. Kim Jon-il on the other hand clearly doesn't care about anybody excluding himself. Not to say Hitler was a saint compared to him, both men will lock you in prison and let you rot to death if you look at them the wrong way, and that's if you're lucky. However, at least Hitler was able to feel concern for the welfare of some people other than himself, and may have thought he was doing the "right thing". At least that's something, and that if that small something is good for anything, it proves he wasn't as much of a selfish ass as Kim Jong-il. What do you think about all this? Was Hitler less of an ass than Kim, or is there something I'm missing? What's you're opinion?