ok i think i missed this.. i'm running Oblivion on the computer. the Shivering isles, is that a separate CD? i thought i just had to download it off the official site, but that appears too be just the patch. Wow i think i really missed something there...... :mellow: edit: yea after looking to buy SI i now see why i was having so much trouble... i also see why it looked like it was going so fast on the updater, granted it only went to 50% it went from 0 - 50 in one leap. meaning there's only 2 real things on that, and 2 major things does not shivering isles make.