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Just a morning update, for the time being it seems Skyrim is working for me again, with the load order I stopped on last night. I have no idea why it's working, and what's changed, beyond me restarting my computer. I sincerely hope my issue has been resolved.

Actually I did not, I've been doing 3DNPC entirely manually, which could be the problem I suppose, but as I stated earlier, I've not had these problems until this morning after the latest Wet and Cold update. I just tried reverting it manually as well, and the situation has not yet changed. I decided to manually go ahead and just slowly work my way through the list to find out where 3DNPC should be placed on the load list. I found a spot for it between Clothing and Smithing Pack and Wet and Cold, and it loaded up fine without SKSE. When I attempted to load it with SKSE, the game crashed, and now it won't load up without it again, despite everything being in the same place. EDIT: Right then, well, I'm calling it a night, I've been fighting trying to get things working for 19 hours now with only breaks when I was reloading or un/installing stuff. Maybe a good night's sleep and a computer shut down will help things along in the morning.

I have the 3.04 base module put aside, and it is complete, as well as the partial updates they've had ever since. Mostly for just this sort of occasional. It is definitely the complete mod.

Most current version as posted on their blog, with current Hearthfire patch included in the download.

I have followed the steps listed above in terms of cleaning, after cleaning, the mods (still including 3DNPC) would not run past the Bethesda logo. According to the current BOSS log, nothing remains to be cleaned, and there are no outstanding messages. I have attempted launch through all various methods of doing so at my disposal, and the situation is the same, it'll launch without 3DNPC, but not with it, with 3DNPC being in the place BOSS put it. EDIT: Also, I know how to copy and paste text into a forum, but this particular forum is not allowing me to do so, I have no idea why. Keyboard, mouse, and forum commands to do so are simply not doing it even as I can freely cut and paste in any other particular forum I'm subscribed to. Once again, is attached my current, cleaner, BOSS Log

My apologies, but I posted the correct list in my post above. The reason the older one (like waves) appeared was due to my own error in the past. The current list you have in the spoiler is not the correct list.

I'm saying that it's generating a list with mods I know I thoroughly uninstalled (at a point between then and now, I completely uninstalled the game, deleted all mods and folders remaining). On top of that, it's not registering new mods such as Deadly Spell Impacts and Wet and Cold - Holidays. I figured out the solution to that problem anyways, apparently I installed BOSS to a Read Only folder, which is why it wasn't functioning, I've attached the correct log. Also, for whatever reason, I can't seem to paste into this forum. Been trying it on a bunch of other forums, but no idea why it isn't working here. For the time being, I've included the Boss log as an attachment.

@rhowington: I know that, and I've tried it both ways. At the moment I have it set up with the correct one mentioned on the FAQ, but it does not seem to affect the situation either way. If I can't get 3DNPC working in either configuration, that's the least of my troubles. @ripple: I'd love to, but BOSS keeps generating a list with mods I don't even have any more from the last time I had troubles. Therefore the log it's been generating isn't going to be of much use in this scenario. I've only had issues once before, and BOSS didn't help then, normally I never use it. So, if there's a step I'm missing which would let it generate a current log, I'd really like to know. EDIT: BOSS is giving me errors, though they flash by on my screen too quick to read them. According to the interface I'm up to date, so I'm not sure what's going on with that. Also EDIT: Just tried latest version of 3DNPC, still not working with the other mods. Also, also EDIT: Just to make sure just ran 3DNPC along with the Unofficial patches, and it works fine in that manner, going to systematically try them again, and I've just dashed my theory that it's a conflict with Wet and Cold. I really am going crazy here, its been 17 hours since the problem started, and I still seem no closer to resolution.

Thanks for the response, but the unofficial patches are working already in the order I listed (and in the order recommended). With either configuration, 3DNPC continues to not work even while all the others do. I am using the Hearthfire patch for 3DNPC, but I will download the new version of the mod (didn't get this week's) and the hearthfire patch just to make sure that's not the problem. As I stated earlier, my game was running fine until the latest Wet and Cold patch, which is leading me to believe there must be some sort of conflict between the two, but it doesn't seem to matter whether I put 3DNPC before or after Wet and Cold.

Why doesn't 3DNPC work when it worked fine yesterday? I've tried every spot in the load order, all masters are apparently present. I've run NMM, WyreBash, TESedit, and BOSS trying to figure out where it belongs, and I have had no luck. Any help is desired before madness fully set in.

As if this were some log of a inevitably doomed expedition into a Skyrim cave, I figure I may as well post again, rather than doing EDIT EDIT EDIT, because if you say a word over and over, that'll make the word lose all meaning and drive you MAD. So this time, rather then start with the mods that add content (and that I REALLY want to use) I decided to start with SkyUI and work my way through the visual ones first. One by one I added them, starting the game, exiting when I made it to the window, and then adding another. So after the standard Unofficial Patches, Wet and Cold, and SkyUI I went in order of the following: Deadly Spell Impacts Realistic Water (and then Legendary) SMIM mod segments Younger Breton Females Immersive Saturation Boost Praise be to Sheoggorath it worked! Moving on, I added non-intensive script mods that I know work on their own, once again, checking each time that it would load up past the Bethesda screen: Take Notes Multiple Followers Lite Places: Amber Guard Places: Laintar Dale Places: Oakwood Jiub's Quest Markers Clothing and Smithing Pack All right, so far so good. It's all working, and continues to work. EVERYTHING IS AWESOME... 3DNPC BAM! That's it. I get the Bum- Bumbum of the Bethesda screen, and then a CTD. All this is in exactly the same order as my Skyrim load order. I unchecked 3DNPC and moved on. So I added the following two: Alternate Start - Live Another Life Civil War Overhaul. I bite my fingers as it loads up, but hurrah, it all works. So that leaves me with 3DNPC, my most favorite of mods. Where does it belong? Where in my load order does it need to truly be home?

So, when Wet and Cold updated this morning, something happened that completely threw my game off, in the most literal sense. I've spent, no joke, the past 12 hours trying to figure out what the hell is wrong. I've run Wrye Bash, the Nexus Mod Manager, BOSS, every tool I can find to figure out what the hell is going on. Sometimes it works, and the game plays as it should. Then, I'll turn it off, do something else, when I come back, the load order is still the same, but now it doesn't work anymore. For the life of me, I'm at the end of my rope here. Here's a list of the mods I have, in the order I currently have them arranged. Unless I specify otherwise, they come from the Nexus. All versions are the most current. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm HiRisTexture Pack 1-3 Unofficial Skyrim Patch Unofficial Dawnguard Patch Unofficial Dragonborn Patch Unofficial High Res Patch Wet and Cold (Steam Workshop) Wet and Cold - Ashes (Steam Workshop) Wed and Cold - Holidays -The Above section of the load order works exactly as arranged every time, as the below are added in various places, I start getting ample CTDs after the Bethesda logo. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. There's got to be an order to it I'm missing.- SkyUI 3DNPC (from 3DNPC site) Civil War Overhaul Jiub's Opus Quest Markers (Steam Workshop) Multiple Followers Lite (Steam Workshop) Realistic Water Two (Steam Workshop) Realistic Water - Legendary (Steam Workshop) Immersive Saturation Boost (Steam Workshop) Take Notes - Journal of the Dragonborn (Steam Workshop) Alternate Start - Live another Life (Steam Workshop) Deadly Spell Impacts (Steam Workshop) Run for Your Lives (Steam Workshop) Clothing and Smithing Pack (Steam Workshop) Static Mesh Improvement Mod (SMIM; Steam Workshop, divided in five parts) Places: Amberguard (Steam Workshop) Places: Laintar Dale (Steam Workshop) Places: Oakwood (Steam Workshop) Younger Breton Females (Steam Workshop) EDIT: To specify, what keeps happening is that I'll start with a base set of mods that seems to work no matter what, and slowly add more mods to try to figure out what the hell is going on, then eventually, I get to a mod that causes it to CTD after the Bethesda screen. So I'll deactivate that mod, then the previously stable set of mods don't work anymore! Why does it behave differently, even when everything is exactly the same? WHY WHY WHY? EDIT EDIT: So I activate 3DNPC, Hurrah, it works fine. I activate Civil War Overhaul, Hurrah, it works fine, I activate SkyUI, BOO, it crashes. I change the load order, it crashes, I remove SkyUI, it crashes. I remove Civil War Overhaul, it crashes, I remove 3DNPC, it works again. I add SkyUI and Civil War Overhaul, it crashes. I try all combinations, crash, no wait, works, crash, no wait, crash. Cue massive swearing and growing insanity. What is going on, what madness is this?

Starting today, for no apparent reason, the Unofficial Skyrim Patch has begun crashing my game to the desktop immediately after the Bethesda logo displays. I have used BOSS and looked up the proper loading order for the mods I currently have active, and everything is in the correct place. I am using the latest version of the Unofficial Skyrim Patch, and none of the other official patches are causing any issues. I cannot figure out where I'm going wrong, or why it suddenly has stopped working. Prior to this morning, everything was working fine.

I have to agree with the above guy's statements. I'm likely less tech savvy than he is, and as far as I can tell, all that would be required is a single modified .upk file. Seeing as someone has already modified the said file, it just seems hard to imagine why they wouldn't just post it in a link already modified?