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Guys you know what I think? You talk too much, go play the game :D

@yafi The problem is that I loaded older save and everything was fine, untill I went in and out of riften, then it's corrupted again. What do you mean by not enable/disable command on custom actors?

I'm having strange problem. Game CTDs around Riften (not particular place, just when walking/riding into it or using carriage). It's BIG area, as it crashes far north of the city (at crossing of roads where west=whiterun,south=riften,north=windgelm. It's the very east crossing of the map). I tried few things including uninstalling several potential problem makers, such as CLARALUX and other big mods, reseting INI, checking my files via steam, running without SKSE, running in offline mode. Then I tried with old save game of another character, and everything was OK, so I realized it is save-game corruption. Given that I loaded older save game of my current character and was able to get to Riften (used carriage for speed). Happy that I fixed issue I decided to stick with this save game, entered Riften, sold some items. But then I walked out and problem is back - game crashes in around 2 seconds after standing outside the gate (not even moving) but the area loads. Even more strange - there is no LOG files, even though they are enabled in .ini It looks like game is corrupting any new save games near this area Anything about that? EDIT: I left the city via south gate, then whent north around the city walls. Game crashed, but there is log this time: [06/25/2012 - 11:14:58PM] VM is thawing... [06/25/2012 - 11:15:11PM] WZMSG : PLAYER has ENTERED a RANDOM AMBUSH Area... roll 'dem bones [06/25/2012 - 11:15:11PM] WZMSG : RandomDICEroll = 56 [06/25/2012 - 11:15:11PM] WZMSG : EncounterOdds-Generated by Script = 30 [06/25/2012 - 11:15:11PM] WZ : Low Dice... noSpawn RaiseOdds script [06/25/2012 - 11:15:31PM] error: (00085CCB): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent. stack: [ (00085CCB)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ? [ (00085CCB)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line 26 [06/25/2012 - 11:15:31PM] error: (00085CCC): cannot disable an object with an enable state parent. stack: [ (00085CCC)].lvlpredatorscript.Disable() - "<native>" Line ? [ (00085CCC)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line 24

It's just common sence. Country has been crushed by war once finished it starts to rebuild. There oportunity for profit everywhere, so there are many traders from the world coming, economy starts to grow once again. Aside from private/foreight investors and traders as well as normal production the Empire still had money incoming from other provinces as well as Eastern Empire Trading Company profits. Or so they say in American schools. It's called patriotic education I believe. Yea, and how many days you can run without earing a one full meal? after some time your time will get weaker, sick and eventually you will use all resources you had and die.

Well that's what I'm saying, the Empire was strong enought to even attack Thalmor. But their forces were shattered among many fronts and they lost lots of economy and not only. They did the best they could - make peace, rebuild and grow strong again. Only thing I could accuse them of is not attacking back sooner. Maybe they wanted to to so, but there comes the Stormcloaks who screws the plan up. We will never know.

I think it really depends on what race and type of character you play. Here, check this map was very usefull for me: Tamriel Factions 4th Era Now for example lets say you are playing Altmer mage, obvious choice would be to join Nords in order to weaken Empire. But If you play as Dunmer than your character would be much more likely to join Empire as Dunmer detest Altmers. And Orc or Redgard warior might be just a mercenery looking for payment, then it's Empire they'd join most likely.

Ahh I forgot they made the offer before the war too, my bad. But I still can understand the empire - they were unchallanged force for centuries and overestimated their power while underesimated Thalmor. Once they realised their horrible mistake they wanted to make up for it and chose the best option aviable.

Yeah, so it's better to commit to the cause as you said and make lots of people loose their life for this cause with low chance of success than to save what you can and strike back when you grow strong enought. Really great idea, read-up on history how stories like this ended.

@fraquar Well as above - Washington faced only armies that were dedicated to north america colonies. He didn't have to face any major British forces, that were mainly in europe and many of them at other colonies. British empire didn't cosidered these colonies valuable enought to send there enormous forces they had and thus gave it up after their already residing forces couldn't win. So it's bad comparasion. Imagine that there is no Atlantic ocean and British (as Thalmor) can send all their forces as one army to conquer without great costs or time required - now this comaprasion is good. Also, I believe British armies didn't had powerfull mages.

@MacSuibhne No, I'm just saying that they stand much better chance with empire armies in their side, than withouth them + without soldiers lost in civil war. I'm aware that common folk were always close minded and stupid, in fact they still are (look at all the populistic people who think something just because everyonene esle do instead of make evaluation with their own brain). But the leaders shouldn't and really Ulfric might put a bit more thought into his actions. If you care, in my opinion the best course of action would be for Ulfric to talk to Hight King (whatever his name was), because as it was said by one of the Solitude character of the court: "if Ulfric would ask (skyrim king name) to declare independence, he would do it". If that didnt happen, then conspire with other Jarls to overthrow the King if needed. Next contact other provinces influential powers, especially in Cyrodil and make attempt to overthrow current weak emperor (other options were also avialbe, ie. Dark Brotherhood services) one way or another. Not a perfect plan but still way better than 'we will throw our poor armies onto entire world and see what happens'. About America vs British empire if I'm correct (I'm not much of a history nerd) I think it's diffrent, because 1. distance was way greater 2. british had more problems than just this not so much valuable colonies (north america was considered way less usefull colony area in comparasion to India, Africa, Indonesia and South America 3. british empire was concerned more into pulling resources and becoming rich within the original Isles (main reason they easily abandoned most of their colonies years later) than just ruling the world for it;s own sake. In short: it's really bad comparasion. Reference to Hitler is way more accurate. @RighthandofSithis I agree, skyrim is rought (not considering dragons because rebelion occured before their arrival). But Thalmor has one huge strenght which is magic and Skyrim lacks in it a lot. You can't really compare Skyrim/Hammerfell power to USSR/Alliance(mainly America), but Dominion/Third Reich is good power comparasion. More accurate would be France+England vs Germany which as we know failed horribly (before Hitler attacked they also believed they can win against him). /offtopic Abour USSR/Russia I'm not saying that 'West' could easily conquer it. At the period of WW2 and after it Soviets actually believed they can easily conquer all europe, in which eastern/southern//northen europe very easily, and western moderately easily and they were much right as none of the countries was able to defend effectively against the Red Army and they was too divided to ever support eachother. Only reason the Stalin didn't attacked europe was how powerfull America has grown during the war (it has been said that Japan awaken colossus), especially with their power show-off with nuclear weapons. I bet this scared the crap out of him. But now for example if Russia would attempt to conquer entire EU (ofc if it would stand together as it's supposed to) they wouldn't be able, even without US involved. Compare the Population (500 mln vs 150 mln) and economics (market value 15,8 vs 2,8 trillion). Anyway continuing the topic I think as soon as Russia get real democracy it will soon become long term ally with the West against growing power of China, India and uniting Middle-East. wow, this was long. Please guys if you wish to discuss futher (which is fun actually) let's make shorter posts :D

Hammerfell is not independent because it is so strong, but because Thalmor is obviously focusing on Elsweyr and fueling the fire in Skyrim to futher weaken Empire and is not striking upon Hammerfell. Also arrival of the dragons has forced them to hold their horses a bit. I don't know about your knoweagle of warfare but it seems rather thin. How could they keep fighting, when they was in defense at every front, lost most important economic/political/strategic center? They didn't had any army assembled that could strike back and didn't had the political influence to force provinces into joining the war with all they had nor did they had economical support needed to continue a war (Elsweyr, Hammerfell lost, most of Cyrodil conquered, Morrowind destoyed, Black March seceded, this leaves only High Rock economically unafected).

I don't know how much you know about universee, but even in Skyrim itself its said very clear, that Empire LOST to Thalmor. They lost imperial City, most of Cyrodil. There were 2 options : give Thalmor SOME power (right to hunt for Talos worshipers) or get conquered and thus giving them ALL the power (right to kill or enslave anyone they want, maybe every Man). This terms were only chance to gain more strenght (empire still has lots of manpower, but was not prepared for any assault onto them as there was no faction that could threat them before Dominion) and strike back after some time. So long story short, empire is good because they oppose bad (even thought not fighting against them FOR NOW). Here, take a look: Tamriel Factions 4th Era Stormcloaks are stupid, because their only chance to really be free is to fight in one line with empire. They stand no chance against Dominion by them selves in full strenght (not saying after bloody looses in war with empire). It's like soviets vs europe. Soviets will win against each european country, but have no chance against them all.

The obvious bad guys are Thalmor. They aren't far from alyeds, one step from worshiping Daedra. What Empire did was choice of smaller-evil, because it was either treaty and Thalmor's justicars or being conquered by Aldmeri Dominion. Do you think if Dominion'd rule over Tamriel life for Talos worshipers would be better than it is now? I doubt. So I'd sort them as: Thalmor: Bad Empire: good Stormcloak: stupid I mean if Empire as whole couldn't defeat Dominion how possibly could they loose to Nords them selves, divided and heavily wounded after fighting Empire in the first place? If they were smart they'd understand Empire had no choice but to sight treaty and gather all possible nord wariors to help Empire reconquering Mer land. Also there is interesting long-term plan made by Thalmor I've noticed. They took over Elsweyr, inspired Black Marsh to leave empire and raid south Morrowind. After that when they signed the treaty they made these 2 important notes: 1. To forbid Thalos worshiping (they were sure this will start rebelion in Skyrim) and 2. Hammerfel to be independet (now they can strike them without being afraid of Empire's intervention). They are separating provinces from empire one by one, while it's only chance to win is to assemble armies from all provinces under it's banners. Really clever.

Drax8 word of advice from me, just kick out all mods and reinstall those you want/need with good order. Takes a lot of time but you'll be much happier person lol.

29. Alternate Start - Live another life 30. SkyRe Main (skyrim redone) 31. SkyRe Races 32. SkyRe Standing Stones 33. SkyRe Vampirism 34. Economics of Skyrim 35. Weapons of third era (Wot3e) 36. SkyMoMod lists 37. DeadlyDragons 38. ASIS 39. Dance of Death 40. UFO These major mods and in this order are working 100% fine. Will add more later

@yafi I'm confused, are you responding to me? I fixed my ctds and so I posted my major mod load order as a resource for others to fix their game (yours load order is a bit of a mess and don't contain all mods I used so I thought this may be useful for others).

It seems I fixed the issue. There might be more mods that were causing problems but so far ac/deactivating 'Unoficial Skyrim Patch" after reinstalling my mods is what made/unmade ctds. My list is far from being completly reactivated yet, but all essentials have are working already, complete list so far: ESM: CLARALUX ApachiHair Populated Cities Warzones SkyMoMod ESP: visuals 1. All official HD packages (no esp) 2. Ultra Realistic World Lightning 3. Static Mesh Improvement 4. WATER 5. DYNAVISION 6.IMAGINATOR 7. Revamped Exterior Fog 8. Warmer Magic Lights 9. Pets of skyrim (dogs and cats esp) 10. CLARALUX 11. Bigger Dragons 12. Dragon Bridge Lights (from steam) 13. Hair Pack 14. My Type Of Hair 15. More Whiterun 16. Better Whiterun 17. Whiterun Fortified 18. Whiterun REVISION 19. Beautiful Whiterun 20. Realistic Whiterun (outskirt market mod) 21. Falkreath graveyard 22. Towns and cities enchanced 23. Better Viliages 24. Elvenwood 26. Populated Cities 27. Realistic Ragdoll Force 28. Crismon Tide - Blood main mods 29. Alternate Start - Live another life 30. SkyRe Main (skyrim redone) 31. SkyRe Races 32. SkyRe Standing Stones 33. SkyRe Vampirism 34. Economics of Skyrim 35. Weapons of third era (Wot3e) 36. SkyMoMod lists 37. DeadlyDragons 38. ASIS 39. Dance of Death 40. UFO with this order my previous issues with both new and old games don't appear no more. Still testing it but so far no problems whatsoever.

@yafi Following your advice I disabled: - Monster mod - Deadly Dragons (and armory) - Dragon Lords - Tales of Lycantrophy - ASIS All mods I know about that might alter AI. Both old and new game still caused crashes. I tried deleting ini files again and for some reason game have run it self in vanilla mode (all mods disabled) and ctd did not occur. This ensured me it's not game files it self corrupted, but some mods. So I'm doing the inevitable now - 1. clean old/not wanted/uncompatible etc, 2. update all other mods, 3. disable all mods, 4. run them one by one testing compatibility/load order... 6 hours and I'm at the point of disabling them all... It's a lesson for the future, never again install new updates lol... What I get? Mounted combat that I'll prolly NEVER use, what I loose? lots of time, good mods, will to play this game. Awesome exchange lol

@yafi Thanks for looking upon that. I changed it as you said but it still goes on (also I didn't changed ANYTHING manually before in either file). Now I'm getting instant ctd upon clicking doors of these locations (location load screen doesn't appear) so not even getting into blue void. <- testing on helgen's keep atm. Happens both on new game (with Alternate Start to speed up testing, But checked it and happens without this mod anyways) or old saves. Reseting ini files don't help anymore. What I've noticed is one doors to helgen's keep (the one of imperial choice in the quest) are ok, let me go in and load fully, but second ones cause instant CTD. I used BOSS Installer (no idea how to use this too really), and thats what it has to say about my plugins: BOSS log as far as I understand there are no mod problems it detected. Papyrus0 Papyrus1 Papyrus2 two with old save, one with new game. All are 20 seconds max of gameplay yet crazy long. 2 crashes on helgen's keep doors, one upon entering Treva's watch.

Yea I've got the same thing going on. Try if deleting skyrim.ini and skyrimprefers help (it did for me but only for a moment lol)

Ok I managed to fix most of my crashes and freezes by updating many mods and disabling few. But still I have constant interiors problem. Some areas either won't load (I can see blue void all around, some textures and doors I entered through) or cause instant CTD and enter. Confirmed locations: - Treva's Watch - Helgen's Keep (including starting a new game and makes it impossible to complete start game quest) - Cruel Sea hourse in Windhlem It's most annonying because I DON'T have any mod that modifies or alters interiors and problems happens ONLY in interiors (world is ctd free, especially on new saves). Out of desperation I tried to delete Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefers and... it helped. I could enter all of these areas but after some time ([??] maybe game reload, I'm not sure) it's back to the start and I can't enter them. I'll attach these files, please take a look if you got a moment. EDIT: For whatever reason I'm getting "Error You aren't permitted to upload this kind of file" so I'll just put them on pastebin. Skyrim.ini SkyrimPrefers With that said I want to add I'm unaware of any changes to SkyrimPrefers (haven't changed anything there by my self) so only option is some mod might mess with this, and only changes in Skyrim.ini are related to archery. How could this affect interiors maps and cells?

@yafi Yes I have both Monster Mod and Deadly Dragons, also Dragon Lords. After you pointed them I deactivated and reactivated them in order: Monster Mod Deadly Dragons +Armory Dragon Lords i also deactivated 2 'Mark and Recall' mods that spammed my previous logs. And it seems it fixed the problem, so far no problems and old saves are working again. Thank you, you have my kudos.

Hey, I could use little help if you have moment. my CTDs started after 1.6 (thanks bethesda, really appreciate your patches!). It seems to occur when entering some new locations outdoors. Plus, sometimes I go indoors there are no textures and I just start dropping. Last record in LOG file after long loop of exact entry says: [aaNSRQuest (13002851)].aansrquestscript.FXcameraAttachFunc() - "aaNSRQuestScript.psc" Line 155 [aaNSRQuest (13002851)].aansrquestscript.OnUpdate() - "aaNSRQuestScript.psc" Line 185 [06/19/2012 - 03:06:07AM] VM is freezing... [06/19/2012 - 03:06:07AM] VM is frozen [06/19/2012 - 03:06:07AM] Log closed I also dropped entire log here: http://pastebin.com/TTFAk2Gi What does it mean, what can cause the problem? EDIT: It happens both in old saves and entire new game.

I tried it before, but all in all, reinstall from DVD is faster than downloading full language pack via steam language change. Game graphics works well now and also fps is way better after reinstall, I just hope dialogue bugs will be fixed now, havent tested them yet.

Ok the issue has been fixed. Game reinstall has reseted antylasing settings, which were causing this bug. For anyone having similar problem, go to game options and set antylasing to 0 (OFF) and set it in your card settings on desired value. Topic to be closed.