CiderMuffin
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Yes! How dare they add in a suit they created and was in the trailer! How dare they add in warehouse and greenhouses tilesets because as we all know modders created the idea of warehouses and greenhouses! How dare they put in elevators, such a theft from modders who clearly created the idea! AND HOW DARE THEY GIVE US AN ENTIRE DLC AROUND BUILDING VAULTS THAT WAS REQUESTED SINCE DAY ONE OF FALLOUT 4 BECAUSE OF FALLOUT SHELTER
HOW DARE THEY
/sarcasm
Seriously, nothing has been stolen. Quit your whining.
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I think he is about Sarah Lyons Death, not Elder Lyon.
Considering all the things Sarah survived and that Elders normaly dont fight in the field (and always would have guards with them), a death by supermutants seems rather unusual and lame.
But since the game never follows up on this topic in any way, its kinda moot to discuss.
There are soldiers that survive an entire war but end up dying the last battle. There is no guarantee survival for a soldier on the field and that was what Sarah was. Hell, look at Roger Maxson. Founder of the Brotherhood and lead the entire group from Mariposa to Lost Hills right after the Great War ended but ended up dying from a poison arrow from a Viper attack because he took off his helmet for a minute. No conspiracy or anything, just died from a war injury.
Soldiers die, no matter if they're rookies or veterans. This is what happens in wars.
You have a strange insistence on this point. And in life, this is true. However, we are talking about a story here, which has arcs and developments and such. I'm not saying there was a conspiracy to kill Sarah Lyons, there's little evidence either way. But it ain't a closed case by a long shot. Sarah Lyons had all the enemies her father had in the Brotherhood, and unlike Owen Lyons they couldn't count on waiting for her to die. Plus the fact that someone that young took up the Elder seat smacks of nepotism. The Brotherhood does do nepotism, but for Maxons only.
I'll go so far to say that it was a fortuitous accident that Lyons died so quickly after becoming Elder, I'll be content to say her enemies were content to pray for a resolution and the Lord answered their prayers. But I wouldn't be remotely surprised if there was a conspiracy. Hard Liners tend to do things like this, and in Arthur Maxon they had not only the boy king, but an impressionable puppet. Because make no mistake, Maxon sits on his throne because he has powerful backers who wish it so. Otherwise seniority would favor innumerable Paladins and a few Scribes ahead of him.
It's true even in this. You're talking about making up a story out of thin air with zero evidence and ignoring facts. It IS a closed case because there is literally nothing to support the so called case. It's people literally making conspiracy theories out of nothing.
Soldiers die, just because this is a fictional setting doesn't make it any different.
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I think he is about Sarah Lyons Death, not Elder Lyon.
Considering all the things Sarah survived and that Elders normaly dont fight in the field (and always would have guards with them), a death by supermutants seems rather unusual and lame.
But since the game never follows up on this topic in any way, its kinda moot to discuss.
There are soldiers that survive an entire war but end up dying the last battle. There is no guarantee survival for a soldier on the field and that was what Sarah was. Hell, look at Roger Maxson. Founder of the Brotherhood and lead the entire group from Mariposa to Lost Hills right after the Great War ended but ended up dying from a poison arrow from a Viper attack because he took off his helmet for a minute. No conspiracy or anything, just died from a war injury.
Soldiers die, no matter if they're rookies or veterans. This is what happens in wars.
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fallout 4 is the "best" in a 70/40 kind of way, but fallout 3 is better than it in a 40/60 kind of way
if you were to play them once for the story and world, I'd almost suggest FO3, but the sheer difference in engine power lowers its ability
that said if you were to play FO4 and then FO3 or FO3 and then FO4, I suspect the first situation would make you rather impressed by the worldbuilding and frustrated by the clunkiness of the game, and the 2nd situatoin would make you rather impressed by the gameplay and disappointed in the story (execution and amount of the story at any rate the story itself is pretty good I think)
Uh, most of 3 was bleak and brown wasteland with long stretches haven't nothing. It's also weaker in art design and world building when compared to the vibrant world of Fallout 4 and the chance to develop it yourself. Plus people don't seem to magically get food from nowhere in 4 like they did in 3. There are farms and more organized trade routes not to mention you can develop the world on your own to build thriving settlements.
The writing was also pretty better. No stupid Tenpenny situations, no stupid wasteland vampires that make no sense and no settlements that survive via the power of plot only. The factions are more fleshed out and there is no clear evil big bad faction and the only good guys are the minutemen which don't really pick up strength unless you build it.
Fallout 4 gives a world that feels realistic with factions that feel real, Fallout 3 gives poorly written, bland and bleak empty world with factions and settlements that exist solely on plot alone.
Hell, you can't even compare the city designs the same. D.C. was bland, bleak and grey ruined city whereas Boston is colorful yet still dusty and dirty and you can see overgrowth taking over buildings and power lines. The only personality D.C. had was through it's landmarks, Boston is filled with personality.
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The bias is real. There is literally no mention of any Outcast attack on the citadel nor any other kind of combat. The BoS aren't "baby killing" and the arrogance and xenophobia were always a key part of the BoS, even Lyons BoS had it.
Maybe you should spend time reading stuff up before making bullcrap up. Seriously, if you can't come up with an actual argument and go the route of "Everything I say is correct and just because we don't see doesn't mean it doesn't happen" maybe you're not suited for this discussion.
The Outcasts would never attack the Citedel directly. It's too heavily defended and dust ups aside, the Outcasts and Lyons' mostly ignore each other. The only I've ever seen them fight is if you dismiss Star Paladin Cross in front of Outcasts.
There's a difference between a direct attack and a conspiracy and a coup. I'm saying a conspiracy and coup are very likely. First most of the old guard would be against Lyon's vision but take orders anyway. Only a true Maverick or believer, Casdin is probably the latter, would dare to try and rebel, and I'm sure Lyon's decision to let them leave voluntarily won him no respect in an organization like the BoS. And yes there were a LOT of Outcast Sympathizers, Scribe Yearling comes to mind but there are other in overheard conversation. The Brotherhood rank and file are NOT happy being defenders of rock banging locals, this goes against all the ideals they were brought up with. The notion that Sarah Lyons was assassinated, even if it was raiders or supermutants that landed the killing blow, makes no difference. Because, if there was a conspiracy, Sarah Lyons had to without question die in battle. It's all really too convenient for an Elder to die in battle. When Sarah Lyons was number one troubleshooter, she was putting her life on the line everyday. That's not what Elders get paid for..
To not acknowledge the very suspicious manner of Lyon's death is to ignore the least subtle thing Bethesda has ever meant to be subtle about. It could be that' it was just a tragedy, but considering the enemies she would have made, and what they stood to gain from her death, this is no case closed affair. This is an open question, something Bethesda itself meant it to be.
There is no suspicious manner of Lyon's Death. He was an old man, people die from diseases and old age. Holy crap, there is literally LITERALLY nothing in game that even suggests his death was suspicious. There was no conspiracy, there was no hint of a conspiracy, every claim of a conspiracy is baseless claims with literally zero backing behind them.
It's like reading the obituaries and going "Died from lung cancer? NOPE ILLUMANTI" "Died from a car crash? MORE LIKE KILLED BY ALIENS!"
At this point Lyons's death is becoming the Fallout version of the Denver International Airport
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What's all this about the Spanish Civil War? Cause the thing is, the Spanish Civil War doesn't apply: Maxon isn't interested in real governance to be a Franco and the Institute while running an an intelligence operation that the NKVD would be proud of also isn't interested in real governance either.
If I thought Maxon was as interested in peace and rebuilding as Franco was in in the 40s and 50s, I'd say the Brotherhood would be the way to go. But if Maxon was truly interested in peace and rebuilding, he'd have staid home and every Knight not involved in patrolling the wastes would be deployed to reconstruction duty, demolishing what couldn't be saved, re-excavating the metro tunnels, building enough housing for all the refugees that would come flooding in and all it's resources would be focused on education and scientific agriculture to make sure that DC, now pacified becomes the great beacon of progress and hope and safety in the region, must like New Vegas or San Fransisco or New Arroyo. Like his ideology or not that's what Franco did, and instead Maxon has elected to build the biggest army his limited resources will allow and then go glory-hounding in Massachusetts, 400 miles away from his base of operations.
The best hope is the SS changing the culture of the Institute and coordinating Institute and Minutemen forces to drive the raiders from the Boston area, while rebuilding and fortifying the city quickly as possible. Of course, once the mods allow it, is to convince the RR to go underground in lieu of being slaughtered, then restricting synth production to Gen-2. Otherwise between the RR and the Minutemen, you basically have the same ending, the Commonwealth starting to build from foundation one, which is still better than what Maxon will do.
Except everything you just stated can't be proven he isn't doing that. We don't know if the BoS have limited resources because we don't know the state of D.C.
It's entirely possible that under him the BoS grew to be a huge organization in D.C. that managed to gain enough troops and scribes to be able to focus on D.C. while being able to focus on a campaign somewhere else. The schism between the BoS and Outcasts was fixed, there is an active recruitment policy and the BoS have an entire airforce to move supplies. If anything the troops we see may not even be half of the BoS's true strength. So everything in your post is nothing but baseless speculation.
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Iirc there is actually an entire dialogue chain with Codsworth if you do the entire game without talking to Codsworth after leaving vault 111.
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Thank you my friend!
Pardon my ignorance, but SSE?Heh, I think you underestimate the draw SSE is going to have.
Skyrim Special Edition.
It might have a huge draw from Fallout 4 modding for awhile since everything in SSE is going to be an upgrade but ehhh I don't think it'll hurt Fallout 4 modding in the long run. I think SSE will have a huge community around it but not big enough to really 'kill' Fallout 4 modding.
So, SSE is really just a graphics upgrade then.
Nope, graphics and engine.
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everyone knows militaries work "off the books" but on the commander's mind
this is like the first rule of militaries everywhere forever, war never changes!
source: I'd rather not get political but does anyone remember bradley/chelsea manning?
or the "bad apples" quote of abu ghraib etc?
the truth is that these aren't special cases in military history the world over throughout time, look at the atomic bombs, bombing of dresden, and remember here that I'm using "our side" as examples, the other sides are often as bad or slightly worse or way worse
collective punishment of groups within the roman army that failed to do their duty, something called decimation, 1/10 people chosen and their squad/bunkmates/comrades had to beat them to death themselves - was done for a reason
this all said, between the railroad and minutemen, I think the commonwealth would be the best off, the BoS has a tendency to be untrustworthy with their impositions while in play, and the institute is straight out even more egotistical but less direct in getting their hands dirty (making them roughly equal to the BoS) - the railroad and minutemen are more limited, but a lot of the commonwealth has their own way of getting by anyways - with the two big boogiemen gone, things can normalize a bit, and the minutemen are back with a strong leader, the player
and I'm sure they'd learn from their mistakes in this case, the BoS are far too bigoted nowadays, and the institute are so removed from the basics of humanity that they don't even understand the needs of the people of the commonwealth
I'll take slightly weak but trustworthy groups (given that they don't lack courage) to do honest work over the trappings of power without ethics anyday, a lot of the raiders are decimated by the game's end anyways, as well as the gunners so another quincy is far less likely to happen, and with time, the various settlements could probably form another provisional commonwealth government without falling apart due to... (if you know you know if you don't, I haven't spoiled)
The CPG fell because of infighting between the settlements, not the Institute.
Also Railroad isn't that trustworthy
They kill off Patriot, someone who has done nothing but help Synths break free from the Institute because he was born in the institute and their entire deal is "freedom for gen 3 synths and not dealing with the consequences for mind-wiping them and then just throwing them out into the wasteland." There is also the fact in the game they seem more out for blood against the Institute then actually helping synths
BoS has never been untrustworthy at all in any of the games. They're pretty much a straight-forward group, the closest to untrustworthy would be actions done by individual members (Like Teagan and possibly the Sole Survivor) rather then the organization at large. They're also not going to stay in the Commonwealth because why would they? Their entire thing was fighting the Institute and collecting tech. The most likely outcome is they leave a few months after they win.
Minutemen are, again, the only group in the Commonwealth that's goal is developing settlements and protecting people. Everyone else is about their own goals. Institute is about self-sufficiency, BoS is about preventing another great war-like scenario and finding tech, Railroad is about freeing synths. None of them are about developing the wasteland or creating a government in the Commonwealth.
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Pardon my ignorance, but SSE?Heh, I think you underestimate the draw SSE is going to have.
Skyrim Special Edition.
It might have a huge draw from Fallout 4 modding for awhile since everything in SSE is going to be an upgrade but ehhh I don't think it'll hurt Fallout 4 modding in the long run. I think SSE will have a huge community around it but not big enough to really 'kill' Fallout 4 modding.
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Obsidian is definitely the best for Fallout.
The Institute is magic. It's supported by fairy dust. Dwarves mined all of their resources and building materials. How have they kept alive for so long? Don't think about it. It's magic.
Bethesda doesn't think that you're smart enough to ask these questions, as a player, so they don't even try to pose them. Fallout 4 is meant to be played with blinders on.
Obsidian doesn't think players are smart enough to learn everything through finding it, almost all the background lore in Obsidian games are given through exposition dumps by talking to npcs.
The Railroad is just too narrowly focused to have any long term plans for dealing with the issues of the wider Commonwealth. So not the Railroad.
The Institute has humanities best interests at heart. But according to the basic broadcast, their implementation is one of "Cooperate or Die". Not very leader like.
The Brotherhood Of Steel is the "Savior of the Commonwealth". Just give use all your food and technology and we won't kill you and take it anyway. Way to dictatorial for my tastes.
The Minute Men are a para-military organization and are ill fit to govern the Commonwealth. Military governments tend to be rather authoritarian (see BoS).
So my answer is "None Really". That said, I would rather see the MM backing a civilian government than the BoS or the Institute.
1. The food quest is off the books which is literally the first thing Teagan tells us about it and we know that the BoS usually trade for their goods with currency or tech they don't need
2. The BoS isn't authoritarian.
3. The Minutemen aren't para-military they are a volunteer army that works to protect people, not rule.
4. Railroad isn't even about ruling. They only care about taking out the institute and getting synths to a safe place so they can live normal lives.
Whoops. Sorry @CinderMuffin. It seems I had forgotten what a rabid protector of the BoS you where. Had I known that you would read my post and take notice of my honest appraisal of the actions of the Bos I would have praised them just to please you. I would have proclaimed the BoS as the second coming of the Messiah and elevated Elder Maxson to the rank of omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent deity.
NOT!!!!
In response to number 1 on your list and for the sake of truthfulness, openness and honesty; we find the following in the Feeding The Troops Wiki
Detailed walkthrough
- You are tasked with heading to a random settlement to secure a supply of crops for the Brotherhood.
- Go to the settlement and acquire the crops by paying for them (the cost is reduced with a successful speech check), charming them, or killing everyone.
- Return to Proctor Teagan to collect your reward.
And there are no Off the Books assignments in the BoS. You have stated as much several times in the past. To paraphrase, "BoS personnel follow orders and do not go off on their own". Are you now disavowing those statements?
Number 2 on you list is naive at best. Here is some scholarly treatises on the role of authoritarianism in military organizations.
- from the American Psychological Association - Authoritarianism and leadership choice in a military setting.
- from the Journal Of Personality - The Relation between Authoritarianism and Acceptance of Military Ideology
- from the journal Sex Roles - Military and Civilian Undergraduates: Attitudes Toward Women, Masculinity, and Authoritarianism
Number 3 is not based on any known definition of paramilitary. Form the Merriam-Webster website we get following:
- Simple Definition of paramilitary: of or relating to a group that is not an official army but that operates and is organized like an army
Number 4. Read the first paragraph of my post again. You may find we actually agree.
1. I hear something, yup I definitely hear something. I believe it's the sound of you being wrong. http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Teagan%27s_dialogue "Player Default: Caps on the side, eh? Doesn't sound like official military business to me." response is "Well, it is and it isn't. It's... complicated." Getting supplies is clearly the official bit, strong-arming settlements clearly isn't. I know, I know you want to be biased but we know strong arming settlements isn't what the BoS does as it's out of character for them, it makes literally no sense and Teagan is acting on his own. Also we never see BoS on their own demanding the supplies by force, this is literally just a player tactic and we know from terminal entries the BoS get their supplies through trading by protecting caravans with their vertibirds
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Prydwen_terminals
"Fr: Proctor Teagan TG-477PR
To: Lancer-Captain Kells KS-390LC
Now that we've arrived in the Commonwealth, I'd like to establish trade relations with the locals. I'm going to need a standard sweep and retrieve team and one of our Vertibirds in order to make that happen. There are several caravans that roam the Commonwealth, and we'll use the Vertibirds to track them. If any of the caravans gets jumped, we can swoop in and lend a hand to let them know that we're the friendly eye in the sky.
Since you can't normally buy that kind of protection from mercenaries, we'll be certain to get the best prices and values for trades. I've used the same tactic in the Capital Wasteland and it worked wonders. Out here, with the threat of the Institute looming over their heads, we'll have these merchants eating out of our hands."
2. Being a militant organization doesn't make something authoritarian especially since the BoS doesn't actually rule over anyone but those in it's rank, also there are no sex role in the BoS. Everyone is treated equally regardless of gender.
3. But the Minutemen is an official army in their own right, just because they aren't controlled by a state doesn't make them in anyway unofficial.
4. Your posts are wrong and built on biased views.
Also good job with the ad hominem attack on me, really helps your points and doesn't make you look bad at all. /sarcasm.
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The bias is real. There is literally no mention of any Outcast attack on the citadel nor any other kind of combat. The BoS aren't "baby killing" and the arrogance and xenophobia were always a key part of the BoS, even Lyons BoS had it.
Maybe you should spend time reading stuff up before making bullcrap up. Seriously, if you can't come up with an actual argument and go the route of "Everything I say is correct and just because we don't see doesn't mean it doesn't happen" maybe you're not suited for this discussion.
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I didn't say, and don't believe it's "some major conspiracy" ... However the Outcats proved they were pretty much all complete a$$holes in FO:3 and especially with Operation Anchorage, and Maxson and most of his crew are now also roughly at the same level of "a$$holeness". I dislike what Bugthesda have tuned them into, and it isn't at all far fetched that Casdin and his ilk could very well have orchestrated a "hostile" and 'Covert" takeover of the Eastern BoS and imposed their ideology.Well, one theory is that Casdin actually did orchestrate the demise of Sarah, and perhaps even her father and maybe a few of the other possible candidates such as Star Paladin Cross fer instance.
Lets' face it, they didn't exactly come across as "good guys" at the end of Operation Anchorage. They pretty much behaved, just as Maxim (and the rest of the BOS bucket heads) do now I just can't bring myself to enjoy playing the BOS path in FO4, they are all just such a bunch of arrogant, condescending a$$holes.
I didn't mind the BOS in FO:NV, they were arrogant, and standoffish, but they were open-ish to outsiders, and they certainly weren't the baby murderers that Bugthesda has turned them into
Or you know, Lyons died because he was an old man and Sarah died in a battle against super mutants. I don't get this obsession with thinking "it's some major conspiracy!" for Maxson to take over. It makes little sense.
Christ, No-Bark's conspiracy theories make more sense.
Except it is farfetched. How would they get in a position to kill Lyons? They were exiles, they wouldn't be able to get to the citadel and for all purposes they were fine just doing their own thing. Sarah died in combat in D.C.
If the Outcasts did do it wouldn't they have launched an all out attack? There is no BoS-outcast war mentioned anywhere, the Outcasts rejoined because Maxson promised a renewal of the BoS's original mission of finding tech which was the reason why they broke off in the first place because to Elder Lyons the idea of finding lost tech and information should be punishment detail. The BoS in Fallout 4 is not like the outcasts, it's a combination of the original BoS ideals and Lyon's idea of helping people, which the ECBoS under Maxson does. It's basically the same as taking chocolate and mixing it with vanilla, you get the best of both.
There was no "covert takeover" and there is clearly no implication of there being one. It's just another baseless conspiracy theory with literally no shred of evidence people push because they have to make some bad point.
People die, that's what happens. Whether it's old age or in combat in a heavily war-torn area. People will die, it's simple as that.
It's not far fetched at all. There was a lot of Outcast sympathizers in the Brotherhood, and it was basically Owen Lyon's force of will that kept them on the Paladin side of things. The Outcasts wouldn't attack Sarah Lyons directly, because what they want it reconsiliation on their terms, which is in fact what they got. Criminal conspiracies and coups happen all the time, as do convenient 'accidents.'
From 2 Samuel 11 14-17
14 In the morning it happened that David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it by the hand of Uriah. 15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, “Set Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retreat from him, that he may be struck down and die.” 16 So it was, while Joab besieged the city, that he assigned Uriah to a place where he knew there were valiant men. 17 Then the men of the city came out and fought with Joab. And some of the people of the servants of David fell; and Uriah the Hittite died also.
Except it is farfetched because again, they would have no way to actually kill Lyons and no there is no evidence in Fallout 3 of there being Outcast sympathizers. There was no covert takeover, the outcasts returned to the fold because Maxson promised to renewal the process of finding tech which was the real reason why the outcasts left hence why Maxson's ECBoS still recruits outsiders and helps protect caravans and settlements by attacking dens of hostile forces even if there is no tech value in them. Again, it's nothing but a straw grasping conspiracy theory to make some bad point because people are angry the BoS aren't white knight society again. There is literally not a shred of evidence of a coup or a conspiracy by the outcasts, if there was you may have something to go on but you don't so the conspiracy theory is baseless claims.
There was literally no indication the outcasts even considered attacking the BoS to take back control. There were no plans for an attack and they were doing what they wanted. They went out to research and discover new tech until the west coast sent word that what they were doing was the right direction. Again, it's a half-assed thought up conspiracy theory in every way.
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The Railroad is just too narrowly focused to have any long term plans for dealing with the issues of the wider Commonwealth. So not the Railroad.
The Institute has humanities best interests at heart. But according to the basic broadcast, their implementation is one of "Cooperate or Die". Not very leader like.
The Brotherhood Of Steel is the "Savior of the Commonwealth". Just give use all your food and technology and we won't kill you and take it anyway. Way to dictatorial for my tastes.
The Minute Men are a para-military organization and are ill fit to govern the Commonwealth. Military governments tend to be rather authoritarian (see BoS).
So my answer is "None Really". That said, I would rather see the MM backing a civilian government than the BoS or the Institute.
1. The food quest is off the books which is literally the first thing Teagan tells us about it and we know that the BoS usually trade for their goods with currency or tech they don't need
2. The BoS isn't authoritarian.
3. The Minutemen aren't para-military they are a volunteer army that works to protect people, not rule.
4. Railroad isn't even about ruling. They only care about taking out the institute and getting synths to a safe place so they can live normal lives.
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I didn't say, and don't believe it's "some major conspiracy" ... However the Outcats proved they were pretty much all complete a$$holes in FO:3 and especially with Operation Anchorage, and Maxson and most of his crew are now also roughly at the same level of "a$$holeness". I dislike what Bugthesda have tuned them into, and it isn't at all far fetched that Casdin and his ilk could very well have orchestrated a "hostile" and 'Covert" takeover of the Eastern BoS and imposed their ideology.Well, one theory is that Casdin actually did orchestrate the demise of Sarah, and perhaps even her father and maybe a few of the other possible candidates such as Star Paladin Cross fer instance.
Lets' face it, they didn't exactly come across as "good guys" at the end of Operation Anchorage. They pretty much behaved, just as Maxim (and the rest of the BOS bucket heads) do now I just can't bring myself to enjoy playing the BOS path in FO4, they are all just such a bunch of arrogant, condescending a$$holes.
I didn't mind the BOS in FO:NV, they were arrogant, and standoffish, but they were open-ish to outsiders, and they certainly weren't the baby murderers that Bugthesda has turned them into
Or you know, Lyons died because he was an old man and Sarah died in a battle against super mutants. I don't get this obsession with thinking "it's some major conspiracy!" for Maxson to take over. It makes little sense.
Christ, No-Bark's conspiracy theories make more sense.
Except it is farfetched. How would they get in a position to kill Lyons? They were exiles, they wouldn't be able to get to the citadel and for all purposes they were fine just doing their own thing. Sarah died in combat in D.C.
If the Outcasts did do it wouldn't they have launched an all out attack? There is no BoS-outcast war mentioned anywhere, the Outcasts rejoined because Maxson promised a renewal of the BoS's original mission of finding tech which was the reason why they broke off in the first place because to Elder Lyons the idea of finding lost tech and information should be punishment detail. The BoS in Fallout 4 is not like the outcasts, it's a combination of the original BoS ideals and Lyon's idea of helping people, which the ECBoS under Maxson does. It's basically the same as taking chocolate and mixing it with vanilla, you get the best of both.
There was no "covert takeover" and there is clearly no implication of there being one. It's just another baseless conspiracy theory with literally no shred of evidence people push because they have to make some bad point.
People die, that's what happens. Whether it's old age or in combat in a heavily war-torn area. People will die, it's simple as that.
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Well, one theory is that Casdin actually did orchestrate the demise of Sarah, and perhaps even her father and maybe a few of the other possible candidates such as Star Paladin Cross fer instance.
Lets' face it, they didn't exactly come across as "good guys" at the end of Operation Anchorage. They pretty much behaved, just as Maxim (and the rest of the BOS bucket heads) do now I just can't bring myself to enjoy playing the BOS path in FO4, they are all just such a bunch of arrogant, condescending a$$holes.
I didn't mind the BOS in FO:NV, they were arrogant, and standoffish, but they were open-ish to outsiders, and they certainly weren't the baby murderers that Bugthesda has turned them into
Or you know, Lyons died because he was an old man and Sarah died in a battle against super mutants. I don't get this obsession with thinking "it's some major conspiracy!" for Maxson to take over. It makes little sense.
Christ, No-Bark's conspiracy theories make more sense.
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Yup, knew it. Video is already down.
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Well to be fair none of them are trying to really advance humanity as a whole, save maybe the Minutemen.
BoS are trying to protect humanity from the mistakes of the past, Institute's idea of humanity is focused around themselves and self-centered, Railroad only really cares about freeing Synths.
The only BoS I'd really trust to rule over anything is the Midwestern BoS from tactics in their neutral ending so unless the East Coast BoS end up like that I think it's better they just become a political faction that acts as an advisor on technology, the East Coast is also not looking to rule over humanity nor anything really. Minutemen on the other hand is trying to found settlements and safe havens for innocent people, they're trying to build a new life and create something that lasts.
So for humanity in the Commonwealth I'd say a BoS-Minutemen alliance where the BoS just becomes advisors and help deal with hostile forces.
Alternatively, raiders with Institute help.
With Nuka World I can see at least one of the raider groups in it (Operators) being a force that can reform. The Operators are essentially like the Gunners, Mercenary Raiders who are only in it for the caps, now this can serve to build a merc army that could actually help trading and settlements and I've been thinking up a Operator-Institute alliance where the Institute under the rule of the Sole Survivor just completely moves out from under CIT and moves into Galactic Zone in Nuka World and builds up a new center of science with the Operators bringing in caps, resources and trade to the point that Nuka World slowly becomes a center of research and trade in the wasteland, eventually becoming a giant golden city in the east coast wastelands with the surrounding desert changing into vibrant farmlands. A utopia.
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I'm not pushing hate, I'm pointing out your claim of "BETHESDA IS STEALING MODS!" is nothing but false information built on pathetic reactionaries trying their best to attack Bethesda.
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Most likely they broke the NDA or pirated. Either way expect it to get shut down very soon.
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Blame Bethesda and corperate greed. Been on the Nexus for years. Modded 3, NV and Tale of Two Wastelands to hell and back more times than I care to admit. An hour after playing Fallout 4 the first time and I couldn't help but sit in awe at the balls Bethesda had on them.
The unmodded, vanilla Fallout 4 is basically a really well voice acted Skyrim mod built on a tweaked Skyrim engine using of a pile of stolen, ported Fallout 3, NV and Skyrim Nexus mods. it's like they didn't even try to hide it.
Yeah, we take liberties with our own personal copies of games, but the vast majority don't steal from each other. We mod for fun and try to keep it civilized. Bethesda, well, not so much. They're protected legally, so cherry picking the modding sites, throwing together an unfinished mess, slapping Fallout 4 on it and then selling it back to the same people you stole from, all so you could sit back and watch them repair it's shortcomings, building you another game for free? It's not only fair game to them, it's an established way to make millions of dollars.
They must think it's hilarious.
Nice argument that has been stated to death, pointed out inaccuracies and laughed at.
What did Bethesda steal? Settlement building? Surprise! Base building is not a new thing in game development and has been around for decades or what, are we now going to say games like Starbound and Subnautica stole ideas from Fallout 3 mods for having done similar things? This can go with every pathetic claim you can make up about "Oh no Bethesda is stealing mods!" which in itself is laughable without needing to explain why.
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Post your load order, that'll help.
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Ok, go talk to Zanity, you'll be able to share your bullcrap conspiracy theories based on trivial information.
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If you have any evidence whatsoever to support those first claims, please share it. The bottom line is, nobody on our planet other than Google knows to what degree the company is squelching their own competition, along with anyone else's they choose. Who exactly are they accountable to, with a practical market share of over 90% (between their own two-thirds, and most of the other one-third that are simply subsets of Google's results, as explained).As for 'manipulating search results' half the time that remove services because of DMCAs, other times it's to divert traffic going to websites for hate groups like Neo-Nazism. As a private owned company they are allowed to do this throughout the world. I know free speech is a hot topic right now by people who don't understand it but free speech in literally every country is just the government can't do anything about it. Private owned companies on the other hand can, that's why the Nexus can ban people for certain comments and censor words they don't like. What google is doing is not because of a 'prostituted and dysfunctional" government, it's because that's how our laws work and have always worked.
Google, despite what you so inaccurately claim, does not have a monopoly nor are they creating one. It would be like claiming the Nexus has a monopoly on modding just because it's the most used mod site for Elder Scrolls games.
To give one example of countless thousands, try a Google search for 'alternate search engines' and see if they provide any clue whatsoever about things like distributed engines and other current technologies that, given fair market exposure, would quickly relegate their fascist business model to its proper place in the dustbin of history, as explained earlier. Imagine finally being able to manipulate your OWN search results, instead of having them obfuscated based on graft, extortion and Google's own self-interest.
Obviously a company has the right to operate however it wishes, in accordance with our laws. Google's current abilities to be masters of their own business destiny, competition, market share etc do not qualify as in accordance with our laws, but until recently our feds lacked any legal teeth to do anything about it. Fortunately our FCC provided those teeth with bestowal of Title II common carrier regulations/protections on internet traffic. As explained. Wait and see imo.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bing
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Yahoo+search
There ya go. In fact when I was typing 'alternative' into google the second suggested result was 'alternative search engines'
WTF Bugthesda stealing mods AGAIN?
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Posted · Edited by CiderMuffin
Nah I'm not an employee nor am I really a fanboy. I just see a lot of the whining just blowing things way out of proportion just to attack Bethesda. Honestly, a lot of the stuff people bring up are just extremely silly sometimes, like this entire thread.