CiderMuffin

Yes and they would dispense justice regardless of your rank because you broke the rules. You won't get a pat on the head and told "You tried to help" you would most likely get imprisoned or executed. The same thing would happen with any organization. The organization isn't responsible for you going rogue but they are responsible for enforcing justice. You alone as an individual acted without orders from the higher ups to kill settlers. Again, this isn't the case of "the BoS killing innocent people" it's a case of "One member went rogue"

1. Teagan states that mission is off the books 2. If you kill the settlers it's entirely on you as the individual, not the BoS as again, the mission is off the books. 3. No, the dialogue isn't heavily skewed towards those three. They aren't on the beginning of doing such a thing because the only person doing it is you on a mission that is off the books, the rest of the BoS is centered around protecting people by attacking hostile locations and protecting the trade caravans by using their vertibirds.

From comments I've seen from community staff the new site is taking it's toll on them because they're trying to integrate everything and make the forum operate as to how they need it to. I'm not surprised it took this long if that's the reason, re-writing pre-designed sites is a hard thing to do. https://community.bethesda.net/thread/2152?start=1365&tstart=0 I'm imagining a lot of swearing is going on over at the offices with the people involved in the site's management.

Will we hear air sirens go off?

Huh, I was expecting more raised voices and disgruntled from Maxson, I'm surprised only Kells lectures you about it lol. I'm going to have to test that mod out.

Do you have a link for that cut dialogue?

I'm honestly surprised by the amount of "NOPE" I have when I face an assualtron at high levels. The only actual enemy outside of far harbor that managed to give me a fight on it's own.

Uh, Fallout 3's DLC are the prime example of linearity and mediocrity. They take like three hours, have almost no real exploration, the weapons were either weak or completely broken, Broken Steel broke the level list at high levels and caused high-leveled enemies to spawn outside of towns and the writing was so awful. Point Lookout is the only one with a real sense of exploration and it didn't do a good job at that. Operation Anchorage was literally "Hey, here is this easy linear worldspace to go through and once you're done you can have items that completely make the game easy mode and broken."

And as I pointed out earlier ED-E didn't make it to the chicago outposts, he arrived in Chicago sure but it wasn't the Enclave that repaired him but a waster whose son was engulfed in old holo-tapes of RALPHIE the Robot hence why ED-E's repairs are so shoddy and he has a license plate welded on him. If it was a Enclave base don't you think they would have the resources to repair him completely or known that Navarro was destroyed meaning they wouldn't have sent him to the west coast? So due to that he did make it to Illinois but didn't go to the outposts where he would've gotten proper repairs we can theorize the Enclave there are destroyed otherwise we would've had any indication that ED-E met with the Enclave there yet we don't. The better idea would just be to kill off the Enclave because at this point the fact that they're dead has more to them then any attempt to shoehorn them back in.

Fallout has a history of making things canon, wouldn't be surprised if Fallout 4 was given a canon ending.

When she said "This is Brotherhood level murder" she meant the fact that energy weapons were used, Cass is a NCR gal through and through and most likely saw the NCR-BoS war go through, when she sees energy weapons being used of course she will think "Brotherhood" but she doesn't accuse them of anything. Pay attention to what follows up next "But they don't do things like that" meaning, no the Brotherhood doesn't do stuff like murder innocent people. I can say a shooting "looks military level murder" because the shooters used the same tactics as a military squad with the same type of weapons it doesn't mean the military had a hand in it or does stuff like that. The Brotherhood aren't raiders due to the fact they don't act like raiders, they're more of scavengers and explorers then they are raiders. They, again, don't attack innocent people or settlements. They aren't raiders and saying so is essentially ignoring all the facts we've been given throughout the series save for one optional route, one optional quest and one optional ending.

^ this. It's his mod he can do whatever he wants to do with it. He is raising awareness for a legit problem right now.

Sadly there is no school mechanic yet to teach wasters the basic idea of stairs.

What they're doing is pretty important though, they are raising awareness for an actual problem that is during a contest that could seriously help modders out. Uh, what. The mod maker doesn't have that kind of power to do that.

Yes I can see it now "Fallout 4: rise of the terrible shoehorning in" Enclave deserve to remain dead, give us something new not another shoehorned in faction that has been destroyed completely.

There is a reason why the Enclave remnants hid away in New Vegas, because they knew if they revealed themselves they would be killed off. Same thing would happen in the east coast and given this time all the bases and personnel were destroyed completely they would be dead. At most there would only be the isolated outposts in D.C. that the BoS would've destroyed or they would've gone into hiding like the Enclave remnants did in New Vegas. They'd have no supplies, no real means of communication and nothing to support themselves. The only real option would be to hide and just give up. Face it, the Enclave in it's entirety is dead. There is nothing left of it but old veterans hiding away hoping they don't get caught and arrested as war criminals by the superior forces. America and the Enclave are dead.

They could be but most likely won't be due to them being so weak they wouldn't have the resources and their history of, you know, being actual wasteland Nazis won't help them gather faith now that the entire capital wasteland and the surrounding area would know who the Enclave is from trade caravans and news of the war. They're as dead as the dodo and I say good riddance. Should've been dead completely after Fallout 2.

Fun Fact, most of the quests in Skyrim was arbitrary chores like finding a book or killing something an NPC will give you. Fun Fact, most of New Vegas was small fetch quests that rarely had any content in them. Fun Fact, large amounts of data =/= "should have more quests" it just means it has more meat in other areas. Like environment, level design, texture work and mechanics. Fun Fact, just having more quests =/= better or more content when most of the quests are bare-boned.

I just really hope there is a subjugate other raiders and then subjugate the commonwealth factions. I want to have a raider overlord controlling an occupied Institute with Nuka World having an airship overhead watching everyone from my glorious capital. Probably won't happen but a person can dream

Well that's awesome. Now if only Bethesda gave us a way to transfer settlements from save to save xD

I don't get why they would spawn attacks inside a settlement, that's just a stupid idea since people are obviously going to build walls around a settlement O.o

Even if the Enclave left behind anyone it would be skeleton crews at most, like the supposed outpost in chicago (Which by the way could be destroyed as ED-E never reached them) The rest of the Enclave? Dead. They only had 1000 people on the oil rig and most of them were killed, the survivors fled to Navarro before leaving that with a small skeleton crew to go to D.C. which then they completely lost with two main bases completely annihilated. They never had the chance to really repopulate and since they're pretty strong on the while "kill everything that isn't us" they aren't going to have any people to re-populate their ranks unlike the Mid-western BoS and the Eastern BoS who both had recruitment policies. The Enclave lost every battle and major holding they had. The Oil Rig, Navarro, Raven Rock, the Satellite relay, the Mobile Platform and given ED-E never reached the Chicago outpost and with the Mid-western being up there who would have a hatred of the Enclave do to the war with the Enclave that happened after Fallout 2, all destroyed. We can accurately state that they're dead with at most a small handful of survivors who would integrate into settlements or groups due to lack of supplies, communications and manpower.

The BoS aren't really there to stay. Even Boston Airport isn't set up to be a permanent location. At most there would probably be a skeleton crew to set up a chapter while a majority of the forces go home. I see it as a similar thing with the NCR-BoS relations before the NCR-BoS war broke off. The NCR considered the state of Maxson as their territory but BoS held locations like Lost Hills remained in BoS control and influence.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Scourge "Before the Scourge, The Pitt was lawless and ruled by no one, with rape gangs, raiders, slavers, and many other kinds of horrors all freely wandered, terrorizing the few innocent survivors." Yea, the scourge was far from killing innocent people. Using the Van Graffs and one ending is pulling at straws because those aren't canon yet. What Cassidy actually says is "This... is Brotherhood level murder here. But they don't do things like that. This was done with a purpose." She straight up says the Brotherhood doesn't do things like that. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/RoseofSharonCassidy.txt The BoS go to Bunker Hill but it's not the citizens of Bunker Hill that are firing on them but the railroad and the Institute. The Brotherhood didn't attack any of the civilians in Bunker Hill. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Battle_of_Bunker_Hill Elijah's motivation after Helios One was turning the Mojave into a graveyard by using technology wrongly, it's literally the opposite of the BoS's philosophy. He wanted to use the cloud and the holograms to massacre everything, that was his entire goal in Dead Money. That's his ending, that was his entire goal in Dead Money and he'll straight up tell you that. After Helios One Elijah abandoned the BoS and their philosophy. "Attack? No, not attack them. {Cold, deadpan, quiet} Wipe the slate clean. Make the Mojave like it was meant to be... undisturbed by man. {Watching this play out in his head. Dreaming of war, victory, tinge of quiet, determined madness.} I'll scour Hoover Dam with the Cloud, rain its walls with spears from the sun... with an army of Old World ghosts behind me, Holograms all. {Watching this play out in his head. Dreaming of war, victory, tinge of quiet, determined madness.} I'll kill them until it's only me, me alone... in a quiet world. {To himself} In a world that's nothing like what happened at HELIOS One. {Quiet madness rolls to a near-quiet end.}" He even talks about killing his own chapter "Hnh. Going to wipe the slate clean. Kimball, the Republic... Hardin, McNamara, my "brothers." Then I'll head back West. {All of Elijah's Act 1 messages are spoken as if he's talking to himself, the player is eavesdropping on him.}" http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NVDLC01Elijah.txt http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Money_endings His madness is not fueled by BoS philosophy or codex, his madness is fueled by revenge of not being able to accomplish what he started at Helios One, not even revenge for his fallen brothers and sisters but revenge for not completing his work, even as an Elder he didn't care about the Brotherhood. Also yes, comparing the same line of logic to the Followers of the Apocalypse and Caesar is accurate. Everything Caesar knows he learned through reading and watching holotapes in the Follower's archives, it's the same exact logic you used and using Caesar and the Followers as an example is a good way to show how completely awful it is. I'm not insulting anyone, I'm pointing out inaccuracies in your logic.

The Brotherhood isn't even really about rebuilding the Commonwealth but protecting the people, trading and taking any unclaimed technology while taking out mutant-infested lairs. That's why I like BoS-Minutemen ending the most. Either complete the main story as the BoS or Minutemen and build up settlements. Minutemen on the defensive, BoS on the offensive.