Ah yes i had forgotten to update, i had been using the CK to compile, but the problem was the script wasn't running, or at least i had no way to really tell if the script is running. Every time i go to edit the quest, the scripts i attached to it are not there. when i load them, they are not saved, unless i open in an external editor and save it, i can open it back in the CK and it runs, but doesn't compile properly, so i use the NP++ setup and it compiles without error. This little project is a massive headache of either tool or user error, or perhaps both. Yeah, Can't seem to get the scripts to attach to the quest, i put the scripts to the quest, Hit okay, Save the esp, close CK, Reopen CK, go to quest, No scripts attached to quest.