PrinceArthur2708

Just passing by to say it was a motherboard problem, since I've change it from MSI (burn) to GIGABYTE motherboard, no more crash problem. My solution still working on another PC downstairs, wich is another MSI motherboard, a little bizarre ?!?!?

You missed Leliana's romance and the dialogue option "I've heard that in Orlais, minstrels are often spies." I have no credit for this solution, I found this over 10 years ago on a french forum and make a copy. Today the problem came back so I decide to check if someone has the problem and share it. My part is this solution is only to translate it in english. - To reinitiate Leliana's romance, you need to bring back this line in your conversation : I heard in Orlais ministrel are often spy.- Only your conversation option are written here, just follow carefully lines by lines with your conversation with Leliana. First you need to put an end to your actual romance with her... even if it's not a real one.Talk to her in camp : - "I'd like to talk" - "About us" - "I don't think this is going to work" - "Life is too uncertain right now" - "We could die at any moment" - "Maybe when this is all over we can start over" (Leliana disapproval -8 to -26 or Warm=74---------------------------------------------------------This Phrase should be back now... "I heard in Orlais ministrel are often spy" Talk to Leliana : - "I'd like to talk about something" - "I heard in Orlais ministrel are often spy" - "Who cares, is it true or not" - "And bards are spy" - "Patron? What sort of patron?" - "You were a bard, weren't you?" - "I'd never leave that, it sounds too exiting" (Talk to her again here and learn Bard's Skill if present, if not quit the conversation)-----------------------------------------------Quit the camp to any destination and come back, here she admit lying to you... - "Why?" - "Hunted? What for?" - "You loved her?" - "You opened them, didn't you" - "So? It's just Orlais" - "What do you mean?" - "Who's they?" - "And you never sought revenge on Marjolaine for this?" - "And so you came to Ferelden, to Lothering" - "You will be safe in my company" ------------------------------------------------------Fron here you must travel on the map with Leliana to encounter Leliana's assassins.Then go to denerim to confront Marjolaine.I killed Marjolaine, didn't know if it work if you let her live (need verification)------------------------------------------------------ Go back to camp and talk to Leliana... - "I'd like to talk about what happened today" - "What about?" - Is there anything I can do?" - "She would have attacked you there eventually" - "You can stop thiking that, if you really want to" - "You are a good person, you always will be" - "You left the chantery to help others. That means something." Talk to her again : - "We need to talk" - "I'm sorry I had to end it" Talk to her again : - "We need to talk" - "I have heard some rumors about Orlesian spies" - "They say you will do almost anything to achieve your goals" - "That's good to hear" - "Good to know" - "You... you think it was a game" - "And would you say you've mastered this game?" - "Maybe you could smile at the blight and tell it to go away." ----------------------------------------------------Quit the camp and come back... Leliana : "Do you remember our discussion?" - "Yes, of course" - "It was my pleasure" Talk again : - "Are you feeling better about what happened with Marjolaine?" - "They had to the complexity and beauty of the piece." - "She was special to you, wasn't she?" - "Have you felt this way about another person?" - I can only hope to one day be as special as she was for you." * Here she declare her love for you * Leliana should be at love approval now here.-----------------------------------------------------Talk to her again... * English version, or with ROMANCE MODS, you can have other conversation from here.* Talk to her until you see the next phrase to reach this final conversation. - "I'm glad your path lead you here too" - "Hmmm, want some company ?" or play innocent lollllll-----------------------------------------------------------Now you have your romance that you wish for. :)

I don't know why, I did search the solution for month in a lot of forum and found nothing that works 100%. All I know is that on my Vanilla installation, both city have this problem, on Ultimate only in denerim. Even without any MOD installed. I did see this problem once almost 15 years ago, on a DVD game intall (can't remember which game) and it was a miss-calculation of data during a save. Fortunatly, the company offer the possibility to change back the dvd. Then for me it's the same I think, on certain dvd batch. Did you ever see a patch for this or something to correct it ?

For those who came here to find a solution about some crash in denerim or the chantry in lothering, read this, work 100% for me. My english is so so, but you will understand i'm sure DENERIM: 1- First thing you must know, never never never... did I say NEVER, never save your game in Denerim, always get out to the camp to make a save. 2- At your first visit in Denerim, do what you have to do without going in any building or the city map and don't talk to Couldry, stay in the market district. 3- After that go to camp, save your game, completly get out of the the game, not just go to the menu, really restart the game. 4- After that you can do whatever you want and it will not crash, I'm doing this since 3 weeks now and nothing crash or freeze. 5- JUST REMEMBER... NEVER SAVE IN DENERIM NB: Sometime it take a bit long to get out of a building, black screen, just wait and don't attack your keyboard lollll LOTHERING: 1- Almost the same of Denerim, but you can go at Dane's refuge without problem, here's what I'm doing. 2- Same rule, NEVER save in Lothering. 3- As I enter Lothering, I'm going directly to recruit Leliana. Equip her and bla bla bla in Dane's refuge. 4- After that, I'm going to the chanter's board, (you can take a look around for chest, talk to Sten etc... but do not enter the chantry) I'm doing the 3 quests of the chanter's board. 5- Get out to camp, save and restart the game. 6- When I'm back, I finish all the quest in Lotering, and I can enter and get out of the Chantry without any crash. 7- AGAIN, DON'T SAVE IN LOTHERING *** EDIT: Restart the game only the first time you enter Lothering or Denerim. *** Hope this will help members here, cause I see many post in the MOD section talking about that recently. Farewell...