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In response to post #24644689. #24645379, #24645579, #24645684 are all replies on the same post.The "change" thing is an excuse.. Yeah I get its reality also..Vidicus wrote:PharCry wrote: I'm sorry if something I mentioned came off as offensive, but what words did I put in your mouth? And how was I being aggressive? Don't post things without making references.
This is very, very simple as far as I can see (for now at least). Valve is giving modders the opportunity to ask money for their content, their work, their time AFTER their own work or schooling is done and they have time to work on the crazy stuff that we download and use with only giving them a simple thanks. Users decide whether or not they pay for said content. The field will level itself from there. If no one wants to pay for it, they won't pay for it.
Creators have the option of not posting content on Steam Workshop OR the Nexus and make it available elsewhere. This is not the end of the world, but something that needs watched as it is a VERY new thing, and is change, which the vast majority of people are scared to death of for some reason. Be mindful, watch as things evolve, and inform the community appropriately. End of story. There's nothing aggressive about that. It's mindful, and supportive. Appreciate what you have, and help these content creators to expand their horizons and build even more quality content. Some are acting as if this is solely for the benfit of Valve and the Nexus. Yes the price model is questionable (I mentioned that in another post, sorry), but change takes time. Give it some thought and consideration.speash wrote: I'm not affraid of change, it's just that nothing ever changes for the good as soon as money comes into play.PharCry wrote: That's a very general statement speash, one with no relevant arguments. Again, another person shooting from the hip... It's what people do best on the Internet. People need to gather some constructive thoughts and criticisms about this situation, which some have been. Trolling and random one-two lines statements that have a mild similarity with what's being discussed in the OP are not helpful.
This is effectively now a business and that wont stop or protect people from people because by contradicting their own stance on profiting from their content opens them to a dozen versions of litigation. Let alone no form of quality control with a mod in nature causing instability or damage to a game. The distribution of profits lend to sloppy get rich quick modding rather then paying modders for real work; You effectively just came up with a whole 'nother nickle and dime scheme and turned modders into a sweatshop.
You might as well sell water as medicine to people.
The reality is now the down and dirty of law and greed will be involved. If not here and now (which is ALREADY happening Via Chesko and now the SKYui situation)
The reality here and now is not change its Laws and greed. These will drive the direction this goes in. I dont know how to put it. Call it change; but its manipulation...
Change is like telling me about Change while the forest burns down around us.
It IS the end unless some change is done. Why do people not get it; its business 101.
In order to protect the final structure if one even comes about, it will require a new form of control that will certainly effect real modders and places like Nexus.
Nexus modders will be the new pirates by definition..
Abuse, slander, and claims wont just happen at Steam because of how sloppy this is but will then be brought to nexus. As someone on Nexus for example questionably post something simi similar to a best seller on WS but in reality is hardly noticeable... Well then they would have to effectively stop the nexus modder as its cutting into their profit. So a system and a line between sanctioned modding and non sanctioned will come about...
Which is why to avoid that it seems they plan on bringing out an entire new system or set of tools for the next games in order to keep it bound to Steamworkshop only.
So ie it kills modding.
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In response to post #24643354. #24643854, #24643949, #24644484, #24645019, #24645524 are all replies on the same post.He's not wrong..joz23 wrote:Qrygg wrote: First of all, no one is forcing you to buy mods, they are a 100% optional part of PC gaming.
Second of all, Nexus is not "in bed" with Valve and Bethesda. Nexus happens to be the largest or one of the largest mod repositories for TESV: Skyrim, and it would be foolish to not have relations with Bethesda, who created the game, and Valve, who distribute the game. If Bethesda got pissed at Nexus, they could issue a Cease and Desist letter for using trademarked/copyrighted material. They support the modding community because, frankly, it means better reviews and more playing of their games on the PC platform; and they don't have to pay a dime of it.
If anything I choose to view the cut from Valve as a thumb-in-cheek move: "Valve is allowing modders to charge money for their mods? Well let's take a piece of the pie, no need for Valve to grow rich off modders hard work!"PharCry wrote: Qrygg is right, no one is forcing you to download and install content that is not included with the game itself.
But the cut Valve is asking, is a bit absurd... 75% for something they never even touched as far as the game goes? That seems a bit shady IMO...sh0d4n wrote:First of all, no one is forcing you to buy mods, they are a 100% optional part of PC gaming.
100% optional FREE part of PC gaming.. Until yesterday.Second of all, Nexus is not "in bed" with Valve and Bethesda. Nexus happens to be the largest or one of the largest mod repositories for TESV: Skyrim, and it would be foolish to not have relations with Bethesda, who created the game, and Valve, who distribute the game. If Bethesda got pissed at Nexus, they could issue a Cease and Desist letter for using trademarked/copyrighted material. They support the modding community because, frankly, it means better reviews and more playing of their games on the PC platform; and they don't have to pay a dime of it.
So its better to sponge as the community slowly dies?
We are talking a slow death here. May as well take what I can as the ship goes down?
I honestly dont know what to believe. All I know for sure is that this is not good for the modding freedom we have all come love. I dont understand why so many are blind to where it is clearly going to end up. Its like they resigned themselve to the fact that its going to happen no matter what, so the'll just position themselves to benefit from it while they can.
People really are selfish. They are only thinking about the now, not the future generations of modders.sunshinenbrick wrote: The truth in this is painful to read. Look what Apple did to Linux. Fight the good fight people!shadowslasher410 wrote: You... did read the entire thing right? even the part where it says this:
"I was not under an NDA, I was simply told "we haven’t announced this information publicly yet, so we appreciate you keeping this under wraps for now.". If you believe I should have outed them right there and then and completely destroyed my relationship with Valve and Bethesda then I think you're being naive."
Its not about just complaining or being as simple as "not having to buy" hes talking the truth about how it's heading and what it means. He is simply saying the natural cause and effect of things that WILL 100% happen unless this is reversed.
Its just business and statistics. It will dmg modding.
Sure it will still be around; because it was always a tight nit community however that's IF they don't find a way to eliminate non sanctioned modding as it could be made non sanctioned modding under this coarse in order to protect themselves with this model.
This entire model can be used as a way to profit off modders and at the same time turn all non financial generating contributions to be labeled as some form of piracy..
Since the Publisher is not getting their chunk and or it distracts from their sales.. Do you understand for example a nexus mod could conflict with a well known steam sold mod this would cause conflict that would require actions.
He came up with a valid point; in order to control quality and content because this has opened a mass tear in space of potential lawsuits they will force it to be workshop bound. Let alone by nature with current systems it encourages low quality and sloppy work or then the fact that mods in general brake your game unless you're a master at it lol. Let alone no possible way to even CHECK the quality of a mod yet your still charging for it?
IF MORE control was given to modders via better software tools this could be lessened. OR if Beth took the mods in then looked over them and made sure they worked; by then releasing their own version then giving you your cut.
Its 101 stuff.
Its great to be hopeful and all but this is the agenda. Its was not Val/Beth saying boy gee wiz lets give back to our community... Matter of fact its more like well lets get this "blank" storm over with before the next games come in. This will net them double profits when it does.. Its about Profit...
This is nickle and dimming after a slew of a yr plus now of this kind of thing escalating by companies. At the same time it is literally almost like setting p a sweat shoo lol.
At the same time the current system encourages and rewards fast and sloppy work; it appeals to the get rich quick types; not the modders who work hard and should get something. Even then tech they are using them for cheap content that makes them hundreds and the modders nothing. Again Keep in mind this is LEADING to the next 2 games.
You will get 1000s of greedy people suddenly participating and the slander, he/she stole, used, etc will be impossible to ignore.
The patchiness of making such claims when in these cases people use the same resources; of which none belong to either in the first place is hilarious. But because your being paid this changes that all. Its contradicts to the publishers own stance and IS open to legality.
I mean my god Chesko already got hit day one by a claim; legit or not.. When the get rich YT/twitch wannabe desperadoes join in on this it going to be all hell braking lose. And if they don't start now they will for sure on next release.
At the same time we then have the current debacle going down right now..
SKYui is required for most modders that are new to even intermediate at this stage for MCM capability alone.
Now he has pulled out from nexus (well all future development.) A Core mod needed now for most mods.
At the same time lol even SKyui makes use of SKSE... So SKYui profiting off of not just mod users but modders should be forced to pay SKSE should they not. Im just using this as a small example; but this is the "blank"fest that will be coming.
And you know what who is to say that Beth should not have included their own caked in system like SKui has for modders. Because by not doing so and no controlling profit from both markets they are effectively able to nickle and dime people on a whole 'nother lvl!!!!!
Which is why I said if they are going through with this they are goign to have to give access to much better tools to the communities next time around.
Your not wrong either but you are not at all looking at the reality of the business model nor the effect it will have. The loopholes that will open over this kind of exchange BECAUSE of the BAD people will be so large that if they truly want to keep something functional up they will by nature be required to consolidate their set up; which means the end of nexus and the like.
(Unless of coarse they have something going on behind the scene; which imo is their own business and non of ours.) But you give to much credit to thinking they will just let things stand as is with the way things will go. They might scratch each others back; im not saying its not possible.
But again its the legalities that would by defacto lead to it having to be ended. .ie you cant have your cake and eat it too.
This then leads to a future of companies now getting their content from players at Sweatshop value while they company makes bank. And in order to keep order they would have to lock down any modding not going through official channels as a form of piracy.
Why do you play this down so simple as a god forbid they let modders add an ability to pay.
LOL its an agenda not a handout..
Yes I know English but im bad at it..
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In response to post #24569794. #24569974 is also a reply to the same post...on the contrary. Down the road this could mean a valid way to shut nexus down... :/Theseus12 wrote:Aedred wrote: I'm unsure about that, because I noticed that there's a user on the Steam Workshop that posted a mod which takes things a bit further than my simple Vampiric Drain mod. If they decide to put that mod behind a pay wall, It's going to be really tough finding a mod like that, unless the player knows their way around the Creation Kit.
Heavier version of the stormlord armor
in Skyrim LE
Posted · Edited by Paragon777
Shinjin is correct in that it's a mashup of multiple mods.
It's a private collection of Joeylock; he has multiple versions but they are complete reworks of other modders work altered along with his own custom reworks so you cant simply rebuild it. (The guy is gifted lol; shame he didn't mod for community.)
He has multiple versions too but over the past year or so forgot how he had it all organized. Even then he still would then have to get permission from the other modders to share it :/ Im sure they would not hesitate though lol.
I always was jealous of his posted pics; talk about a troll T_T.
PS Shadowjin is incorrect; if your going to point out people should give credit then make sure its right. Stormlord was made by Gechbal not Hoth... Hoth uses it with his permission.
Stormlord source:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/40216
Included in Hoths armor pack:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19733
JoeyLocks Page:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/users/5241044
You can msg him I guess or look over the comments on his photos for discussions. As I said though he already said he cant rebuild it atm :/ (even if he could share)