skyquest32
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Ok. Ok. Let's get back on track. This isn't the "Why Trump Won" post. This is asking what people thought about a modder is blaming Trump becoming president as his reason for removing his mods. If you want to banter about Trump being awful, or Hillary being cheated, please take it elsewhere. Thank you.
Before you close this let me chime in here with an opinion on the actual question being asked. I f you take the time to read the statement by apollodown, which apparently most people here have not done, you should note that he did not take his mods down because Trump won; he took them down because of his own realization that a large proportion of people downloading his mods would hold political opinions that he himself would be offended by - in other words Hilary's basket of deplorables.
Speaking as one of the deplorables - I would have voted Trump if I could have, I think he is wrong about Trump supporters, but not wrong to take down his mods. If he really believes that Trump supporters are a bunch of hateful neo-Nazis and fascists and he doesn't want to share with them, then going by the logic he is operating under, his choice to remove his mods would be brave and moral. It is his perception that is flawed, not his decision. His decision was based on the perception.
It is a small example of the political climate in the US right now. No one is listening to what anyone else is really saying as they all talk past each other. It's time for people to start listening to each other with open minds instead of succumbing to their worst fears. Wasn't it Hilary, who after she lost, urged people to give Trump a chance, or did I dream that?
Fine...here it is, based on what you have just said:
In my view he did it to make a public statement, taking advantage of the content of his mod to get a little backing and draw Attention.
If the content was truly offensive or suggestive of something offensive in the first place he would not have made it because he would not have been inspired to make a thing with such symbolism he would have loathed with or without Trump.
For example if a guy made a variant on Nazi uniforms and sold them online, then pulled them because he thought some supporters of a political figure may use them, this begs the obvious question....
Hence its a cry for attention and childish and not really relevant as I said.
Giving it a little thought I saw no integrity, but the reverse. A Hillary like movie, which is what I would roughly expect.
That said I know nothing of this guy or his mod, but this seems a valid argument based on the finer points of what you said, assuming you actually read the piece in question.
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It was probably as the result of some anger or betrayal, done publicly, but again the truth is we cant know, an overdone retaliatory sort of jibe like we witness with celebrities, this was well before trump held political office.
I can only guess, as I have never witness this, but speaking to his character that seems likely.
Probably what he said was not what he really felt. Interview many men of Trumps personalty type, Especially the more colorful ones in there early days and you might get something similar.
It may have been irresponsible and if he where then holding such a position of trust he would not have said it. Bravado. Trash talk maybe?
I myself never witnessed the footage in question but I am sure it dose not have any real bearing on a nation in crisis and our current situation.
Trump is a passionate man, but also a logical man. I truly believe as to his character he is a trustworthy man if not a perfect one...but to be a perfect one you would need to be a god or something. He without sin, and all that. What do you think of Bill Clinton by the by? That has no bearing here but I am curious as to what you will say?
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None of whats going on today is anything new really, broadly speaking that is.
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One can make claims about anything but without proof or accumulated research one doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Ok what research do you want pertaining to what claim exactly? To get you the correct stuff I have read, I must understand what claim you are refuting. Is it as to relative numbers of known musical genius at a young age? The forming of personalty and effect on ability at a young age? Or the fact of voices changing at puberty, and this effecting singing?
Hehehe...i'm not refuting anything i'm just trying to understand.I don't accept your answers is all.
That is a healthy attitude. :)
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He hit Florida where it hurt, there new age greed. That's a true wheeler and dealer for you. The man knows his stuff.
Miami Florida is now longer a sanctuary city, thanks to Donald Trump. Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez, citing Trump’s executive order has signed a memo undoing county’s status as immigrant “sanctuary.” This is just the first of many sanctuary cities that will be losing the sanctuary part if they want to get tax payer funds from the federal government.As to the above things are never as simple as the seem, your speaking of something that originated behind the closed doors of a marriage, we cant know the whole story only two people ever knew the entire truth of what really happened.
Marriages are complex, human relationships have many aspects. There is sometimes bitterness and hurt that comes out manifested in many ways. Long standing issues. In public you may see the blowup or the aftermath. Couples don't always bring out all there dirty laundry for public inspection, not all...and there are two sides to every story.
Sometimes not even close friends get all of it, but there is cause and effect and usually a reason, when a sane man acts in such a way, especially if its out of character with the past.
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One can make claims about anything but without proof or accumulated research one doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Ok what research do you want pertaining to what claim exactly? To get you the correct stuff I have read, I must understand what claim you are refuting. Is it as to relative numbers of known musical genius at a young age? The forming of personalty and effect on ability at a young age? Or the fact of voices changing at puberty, and this effecting singing?
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Mozart was such a one, dose this help?
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From my opinion, children can learn faster and better than adult. Any skills that they picked up at early age will get mastered pretty quick.
Traits are probably formed to degree by the age of 12 or thereabouts, but that's just a theory.
You will find strangely enough that many can sing well at a young age but lose the talent later. There are really few prodigies.
My sister entertained family as a child with her singing, but cant carry a tune now to save her life, her voice cracks unless its talk singing. She can still play though, and very well.
Well i haven't found good examples of they "lose the talent later" but that would be worth looking into.If there is a window where genius appears and later disappears that would be fascinating to research.
To my mind superior talent at a young age is brain related.As for there are few prodigies,you might want to rethink that. :wink:
The kids voices change, without a coach it becomes harder. True Genius, in the classic sense, not IQ, is rare, if it were common, it would not be exceptional. Few have the capacity. Many kids can sing well. Maybe we mean different things by rare talent. Its relative to what you mean. I am not just speaking of a little talent, but a true child prodigy.
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Look here, its not just about that, the direct policy, through I must say I am pleased by the mans integrity, that hes actually doing what he said he would do to the best of his abilities. Most just sort back off once elected. Trump is a smart man.
He has demonstrated this in his dealings through much of his long life. I am not just pulling this out of the air. He understands how to get things done, he understands management.
He is not stereotypical of what is expected for such a position, but if you cant pragmatically see the potential of the man, and are impressed so easily by surface things that don't matter, then your perception is lacking....and that his is a outsider, is all the better. He could not do the job we elected him for otherwise.
Most all men that do great things historically are not what you would expect, not taken seriously but then...bam...greatness, and people stop laughing....they make waves that change the course of things.
It takes such a person, such a entrepreneurial spirit, a stubbornness and an ability to understand the hearts and minds, of his opposition and his supports, and grab them where they live...like it was one of his projects.
Many of the people that elected him want to kill the mainstream overload of fanatical politically correct lunacy that was trying to force itself on mainstream society. Trying to make it seem normal and excepted.
Think of what Judge (wish she had run in Hillary's place hahaha) on fox news said directly after he one the election...we want our way of life back.
I know Christians, a few satanist, atheists, even more conventional radical humanists..people from all walks of life, poor men, wealthy men, that want this. Some just on general principle, even if it effects them badly in some small way.
That's how bad its got.
I could name enough people to populate a university, I talked to, just off the top of my head in the last few months.
I want you to understand its about more than it seems to be about.
This man has resonance with his supporters. There is a strong undercurrent of emotion, an advertiser could even use to sell products in the wake of his election. The tension has been so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Even the pc people know its about more than it seems to be about. That is why the unheard of reaction. That's why they take it personal because, guess what? Bellow the surface it really is. On both sides.
Trump will be able to unite some but not all once there ridiculous fears don't come to pass..like the bs propaganda would suggest..but some people will take it so personally that they will never be reached because they are too fighting for there way of life as they see it.
They want the carnival to continue until it spins out of control. we want to cancel the show call or at least not make attendance mandatory or an expected thing with social and professorial ramification. Freedom of thought and opinion, of lifestyle, the same as they want to maintain.
People are feed up with the fanatical liberal tyranny. We don't want it shoved down our throats anymore because its making us sick. We here them say these things and we want gag. Its nauseating us every time we here the catch phrases and buzz words parroted. Gone so far we no longer sympathize as we once did. Truly cringe worthy, we just want it over.
There are more of us than them, this is a democracy, and so...the result is inevitable...given time. It dose not take a seer to know it. I knew he would win for a fact despite silly words...I knew. People would have elected Satan himself if he ran on the right platform, said the right things.
The reason people were surprised is they don't see this. This social phenomenon. That it was about the issues he raised and so much more.
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From my opinion, children can learn faster and better than adult. Any skills that they picked up at early age will get mastered pretty quick.
Traits are probably formed to degree by the age of 12 or thereabouts, but that's just a theory.
You will find strangely enough that many can sing well at a young age but lose the talent later. There are really few prodigies.
My sister entertained family as a child with her singing, but cant carry a tune now to save her life, her voice cracks unless its talk singing. She can still play though, and very well.
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It's remarkably effective brainwashing, apparently.
Come now, that's harsh. Its the kind of change people were hoping for for a long time, if it was not trump it would have been something else. I really don't get guys like you, no offense. Why are you really trying to propagate the nightmarish way things have been going? It must be because of personal concerns, and situational. To protect something.
If you have thought it out, even if I don't agree with you I cant fault you on that. I'm not you however. I have my own interests and affairs, my store to mind as it were. I'm not brainwashed we know all to well what this man is.
You cant always assume because people if they are a good person, don't believe as you they must be brainwashed somehow, the man is simply pandering to us. We listened, we voted him in. I'm not about hate, what I hate is what these people would have our world become.
I want to fight a idea, a concept, a falsity, I view as dangerous and wrong. Not people. He or someone like him was just what was needed.
On the reverse I think the liberal media has brainwashed people, even corrupted youth. No, no, I am not pulling a south park like Hillary ''wont someone please think of the children'' *give it as many explanation points as you think it deserves but I don't believe in using the youth of America to make a point. Its just right is right.
The sad thing is, I don't think we have much common ground, the two sides I mean, when one person thinks a thing good and another corrupted in the same way, it leaves very little to say. This is sad. I really think so. Sometimes I morn humanity in general in this day and age. What was being lost. I know however it is being found again, and that this new dark age was bound to pass sometime.
I say, turn the page.
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Cool. This has to be my third favorite Alice song.
Sounds good man.
He reminds me of me when I as a teenager and of then. Though really in many ways I'm really just a 80's sort of guy...that never changed.
Sorry to wax nostalgic. My fav song by him is the first I posted the second would be love is a loaded gun, because in a way, metaphorically speaking, it really is or can be.
I like a lot of dark stuff as well, like King Diamond, Lizzy Borden, grim reaper, Bauhaus, to the doors, and Indian stoner music to anime songs.
I am a conservative, but was a Bowie fan and mourned his passing because it was always just about the art to me when it comes to music, my taste varies and I can compartmentalize. That is why I hate the republican stereotype.
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You know watching fox news today, listening to him...in a really, well, interesting way, it makes me happier than I have been, watching such things in a long time. I just leave it running in the background on two different televisions, while I go about things.
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Devils Carnival, very cute...part two was bad though, except the keystone cops, I had such a crush on the female one, she can give me a translation any day.
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Cool. This has to be my third favorite Alice song.
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Best love song.
Yeah Meatloaf is cool.That's one of those 3d videos unfortunately i only have one eye. :sad:
Its the beauty and the beast Disney never made, my favorite rendition outside of the original story, done in under 5 min. Brilliant work. Powerful stuff.
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A little culture wont kill you.
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Best love song.
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SMH.
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An anagram?
Supporting mother Hillary? Stealing my hypo? Save my Hillary? Must be...shaking my head? Do I win the stewing chicken?
Progressives don't understand this. They equate it with tyranny. But Trump is a creation of the people, a manifestation of their will. Yes, we created Trump. Not the real estate mogul, but the man who talks about draining the swamp. He truly embodies the populist ideology we've been longing for years.Let my buy you a drink.
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This quote pretty much sums up Donald Trump's path to victory.
“You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic.” Robert A. Heinlein, Revolt in 2100/Methuselah's Children
It mattered not if Donald Trump prevaricated, some people already believed the lie. It mattered not if Donald Trump mimicked the disabled, some people enjoyed it. It mattered not if Donald Trump made comments disparaging those with more melanin than he, some people believed him. It mattered not that Donald Trump stated his misogyny on an open microphone, some people felt the same way. Donald Trump appealed to the basest prejudices in the United States, and no journalist, no fact checking, no truth telling, no reality check was going to dissuade those who already believed the lies.
But the part that scares me the most is that Donald Trump generates so much hate on both sides of any discussion. The hate speech, threats of violence, petty name calling and foolish insults are more destructive than any weapon in the arsenal. It rends at the fabric of the United States and will surely tear our nation asunder.
You just don't get it. At this point in time, many Americans would have voted for Mao if he ran on a ticket of economic nationalism and anti-immigration. Trump is an imperfect messenger for Trumpism (populism + economic nationalism + white identity politics).
There is no 'lie'. This is the consequence of the past twenty years of the ideological and physical shrinking of mainstream conservatism.
You don't understand my point. Pedantically analyzing the accuracy of one of Trump's statements does nothing to understand the motivations of people who voted for him. Most people are not autistic and so don't care about about the individual details or correctness of a statement. No one really analyzes the tiny policy differences between candidates because it truly doesn't matter. Instead they vote according to broader issues and grievances.
Fact checking was the swan song for progressives in 2016. You cannot win people over with 'logic' (or more accurately: debased pseudo-rationality). People are emotional creatures, and it is to emotional arguments that they respond. Most people instinctively know that something is fundamentally wrong with America. Donald Trump spoke of saving a once great nation from the abyss. I'm sure he has been given all the facts on immigration, the economy, and the stupid foreign wars, but instead of beating his supporters over the head with worthless data and statistics, he went right for the emotional heart.
Obsessiveness over Fact-checking is why progressives don't understand human nature. It appeals to the kind of people who were shoved into lockers at schools. Let me know when someone fact checks the destruction of Libya and Syria, our border being a joke, multinationals screwing over American workers, the disaster of Obamacare, and mass racist Black violence and riots.
As I said originally (quoted above) whether Trump lied or not was immaterial. MajKrAzAm, you denied that there was any lies (also quoted above). I provided you with evidence that Trump disregarded the truth. You arbitrarily dismiss that information and attempt to turn the verification of the veracity of a candidate into a shortcoming (quoted above). Which proves my point "It mattered not if Donald Trump prevaricated, some people already believed the lie" (quoted from above).
And MajKrAzAm, I do get it. I understand your point entirely. I stated such originally, "Donald Trump appealed to the basest prejudices in the United States, and no journalist, no fact checking, no truth telling, no reality check was going to dissuade those who already believed the lies."
I do understand human nature. Racism exists. Homophobia exists. Misogyny exists. Jingoism exists. Radical theologists exist. Ignorance exists. Hatred exists. Intolerance exists. Greed exists. Xenophobia exists. War mongers exist. I just find pandering to these human foibles to sway voters reprehensible. And that is where we disagree and must continue to disagree. You justify Trump's behavior. I do not.
I also understand that tolerance, acceptance, understanding, empathy, generosity of soul, and humanitarianism exists. I prefer to live in a society that values these human aspects of human nature and does not denigrate them. Caring about the whole of humanity and the planet which we all share is not weakness. Yet you label such human characteristics "PC" and ridicule these finer qualities of human nature. You propagate the hate.
And finally, I know enough about human nature to know that nothing I have said here will dissuade you from your beliefs. I attempted to address your intellect, and you established quite clearly that such attempts do not work. On this point, we agree.
Radical PC is more harmful to society than all the things you mentioned because its more insidious. Bringing corruption in the name of good intentions. A philosophy the hides in the false light of delusion, flawed on so many fundamental levels in practice,
The PC ideal world in totality would be my definition of hell on earth. Its not as simple as you make it out. Its not about compassion or lack thereof it goes deeper.
Dont give hollow platitudes or assume you know the totality of the nature of man if you can say such things so simply with no understanding of the consequences of the implications of what you say.
Also Misogyny Trump? Based on what total data do you make that assumption? One unguarded remark that was more connected to ego? That simple huh? How presumptuous and unforgiving you are. It was rude, no more.
I think from his relationships and mannerisms that trump is a purely heterosexual, lover of women, in all senses.
I also don't think a woman like the one he has would have remained with him this long otherwise. He excretes confidence, even vanity from his very pores. Not a confused man, or one with too many issue that would be relevant to that type of resentment.
No highly unlikely he would ever develop that complex, but this is by the classic definition not pc make believe bs that attempts to disregard behavioral sciences, the relevant aspects of sociology, and genetics.
He also dose not seem to fit the psychological profile of Misogyny. I know the types that mostly fail into the category profiles and patterns, would seem to suggest trump is not. If hes responding to anything it would be a reaction to pc influences on society. Sort of a rebellion. Hes perfect for this.
Hes the sort of man that given the right situation, if allowed would be chivalrous to women, but not at personal cost to his honor, just in the classic sense...but being essentially corrupted and perverse,pc nature would abhor this too..and greed, haha too funny.
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Ok. Ok. Let's get back on track. This isn't the "Why Trump Won" post. This is asking what people thought about a modder is blaming Trump becoming president as his reason for removing his mods. If you want to banter about Trump being awful, or Hillary being cheated, please take it elsewhere. Thank you.
All this is just my opinion but Trump rightfully won and:
A. Hillary was incompetent.
B. Brain damaged according to reports, not a insult I mean this was on the news *
C a hypocrite and all around liar.
D offensive to many groups. She tried to play on her gender, made stereotypes of races, insulted crime victims...adopted a southern accent and mentioned hot sauce when addressing black people. (this last almost comically bad)
All this having to do with her professional campaign and her offices here, not private life...no low blows like she resorted to with Trump dragging out non relevant issues such as locker room talk. (trying to manipulate activists)
The sad thing is even considering things trump, probably dose respect women in reality more than her. Running was no more or less than a career move in my view and her claiming to care was just trying to be too smart for her own good and manipulate popular opinion because she happened to be born a woman...playing on this and using it.
If this country were racist and if her party were hypothetical that kind of person would have simply called Trump a racial sympathizer, or some such rot. Whatever the moment seems to demand..but like most of this...that's just my take on her. My measure of her character from all available data. In short opinion and everybody has one.
I think she lacks integrity.
The truth is that backfired among trumps demographic, I have spoken to women friends who said to the effect, at least he is a man. They wish they were his wife and had such a beautiful family.
As for the no prior office of the like thing this is good, considering his platform and campaign promises I think he will keep to best of his ability.
We needed an outsider to Washington, with his unique background and successes. Yep Hillary was busy doing what in my opinion contextually amounted to nothing, while Trump was building an empire.
Her husband was worlds smarter, and when not riding on his coattails....if she had listened to the advice he tried to offer, the voice of his experiences, the truth is she may have won anyway. I am glad she did not. I bet those people that laughed at Bill's suggestions are rethinking that now.
She planted people, payed them to protest. Conducted perversions, or rather improprieties repeatedly through a lesion reportedly.
Then there is the email thing which I care comparatively little about, involving I.C. Wiener or whoever it was. Mr. Wiener apt name I think considering how it turned out.
Ye gods do I need to get Hanover fists from the heavy metal movie in here? The dope selling while dressed as a nun and a couple others, are ''probably'' the only things she didn't do or I would give him a call. Shes not capt stern but you get my point.
On a personal note, it is my opinion that she also looked like a dead eyed, ravening lunatic. I have visited mental patients with just that same expression, no lie.
To be fair to her though, what would she have done in office? My opinion? Absolutely nothing whatsoever of any value, or really major detriment. Status quo all way down the line baby. Which is what people don't want.
I don't deny a woman president could work, like a queen, its nothing new, there have been women rulers throughout history, and the fact that its president and not queen dose not change the basic principle...but I feel strongly that it would be a insult to women everywhere if it was her just the same.
Besides I don't believe the woman really meant a single thing she said. She was using minorities and women not championing them in my opinion. Like she said something to the effect of there is a public view and a private view.
I think she shamelessly played every card she could and when it did not work she was like waaaa what happened?
Did she really think the majority of people were that dumb? That dumb? Give people a little credit just a bit please. She was almost making fun of these people and some of them still don't see it in my view.
As I said, removing a mod over this is childish... if one expected it to make a difference to anybody except that the mods gone,...I mean on a political level, that's edging into the land of lunacy.
P.S.
Now just for fun, I make no claims or connections to anyone, just explaining the Hanover ''joke'' reference for those who missed the film by 20 years or so:
I saw a documentary of Hillary growing up on the propaganda news, and was like, my god what happened to her, she seemed to show such potential. What a waste.
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Talos is admired for some of the reasons that crazy street preacher in whiterun gives. That would be enough for most like the Egyptian god set who is portrayed in certain Apocrypha as originally being a man. Even if they can never join him they view him as worthy of worship.
That is the perception. One that understands the human race because he was a man. Hence a brother to men. Like a man that reached the very gates of heaven to become a god, and watch over men.
This also tells the nords that even if they can t be a god, it affirms they have a bit of the divine within themselves because the potential is there. As above so bellow. So they are like Mormons in a way, yes? *sorry could not help it*
Or in some ways he is an ancestral god. :smile:
Who would not admire that, regardless of all else? It makes for a pretty story. An inspiring story for a warrior race, true or not. Myth, metaphor or reality.
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Why Trump Won
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I never said bill was evil, I asked your opinion. Don't put text in my field. Nor did I imply trump was evil. Its clear you feel very strongly about this however. What interesting type of morality.
As to my statement its honest, it has no bearing. Dredging up every event in a mans past not relevant to a public position of trust, is not only irrelevant its hitting bellow the belt.
That's Hillary's way. Its also a desperation move. In my view Hillary is the perfect example of true evil personified. Or rather corruption, because evil is too relative a term to deal with in this context.
On the last point I agree, in fact the path of wisdom, is the path of divinity and all that is sacred. Corruption lies in ignorance and true corruption is always connected to a type of delusion or willful ignorance.