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Bubbles are bubbles, to think they are not connected is naive. When a stock broker flushes their life down the toilet on one side of the world, it can cause a tsunami on the other. This is a basic result of globalisation.

“Those who are not contented with what they have, would not be contented with what they would like to have.” ― Socrates

In response to post #24896554. #24896779, #24897154 are all replies on the same post. I totally agree which is why the argument I have been interested in is not the choice of whether modders can mod for money or for fun but that this should always be a choice. The fear among many is the "pay to mod" scheme that was tested. If you mod for money then you should at least be shown the respect and protection from the people you are supposedly working for, Beth. I totally support what you do and I certainly don't want dedicated. artistic people like you to get shafted.

Not everyone has the choice to buy or not as many people struggle to get by or have to beg and hope for food just to keep alive. Voting with dollars is a very totalitarian way of seeing things, but we are all entitled to our opinions and views. I for one would like to share the future with others as opposed to slapping it in a happy meal and then trying to sell it with a side of fries for a piece of paper that has no real value outside of a corrupt banking system. Purely my feelings on things. Thanks.

In response to post #24871339. #24886114, #24887249, #24887719, #24888359, #24889504, #24889659, #24890009, #24890154, #24890484, #24890884, #24891049, #24891434, #24891459, #24892539, #24892854, #24893109, #24893609 are all replies on the same post. "What's done is done. I need you cool... ...Are you cool? I'm cool." -Reservoir Dogs-

In response to post #24893389. Kudos!

In response to post #24871339. #24886114, #24887249, #24887719, #24888359, #24889504, #24889659, #24890009, #24890154, #24890484, #24890884, #24891049, #24891434, #24891459, #24892539, #24892854 are all replies on the same post. May I point out that people will also have the choice to buy them or not. I would love to see a McDonald's advert say: "You are unfit, overweight and we would be better off if you all just pissed off!" I'm lovin' it

This is definitely something I would support the further development of. If at all possible the titles could change (like the Enthusiast, Fan, Old Hand etc...) as you gain more experience and knowledge within the communtity. It would also be nice for younger (poorer) people, who do not have much money sometimes, to earn points by being helpful to authors. The authors could then "endorse" this member. Once the member gets, say, 250 of these they go up a level. It would be this encouraged feeling of, if I support I am actually gaining something back. I do not know the technical implementation of this but I feel it will help to create a stronger atmosphere of "we can all contribute".

In response to post #24871339. #24886114, #24887249, #24887719, #24888359, #24889504, #24889659, #24890009, #24890154, #24890484, #24890884, #24891049, #24891434 are all replies on the same post. I would never deny anyone making a living out of something they are good at and which brings value to others (assuming Beth allowed it). What many long-term "authors" and "users" (or should we just say modders) alike have been arguing for is proper rights and protection for those who wish get into it. So they are not sold into developmental slavery and then when they make a mod it gets stolen, rehashed, sold and then pirated all over the internet. This is what happened. Bethesda offered a very poor deal that lured people with the possibility of quick cash gains... not forgetting that Beth and Val pocketed most of that money, for work they completed 4 years ago. That to me seems exploitative.

All apologies but I took this whole idea as "an idea" and that it could be built upon. I think a more personalised approach from Beth is a really great opportunity. While I do not like the idea of hundreds of thousands of "micro mods" I feel the collective garnering of passion and culture into the nominations of BIG mods (SkyUI, SMIM or Falksaar, for example) into becoming fully supported Bethesda projects is not always a bad idea. People like to feel they are a part of something, even if they are "not". It also will usually lead to people being a great deal more likely to donate/buy if they feel like it is something they can connect with something beyond just the clicking of a mouse. But that's just me.

In response to post #24871339. #24886114, #24887249, #24887719, #24888359, #24889504, #24889659, #24890009, #24890484, #24890884 are all replies on the same post. @ LP1 While I see what you are saying (I think) it is true that the number of people who consume everything and give NOTHING back are not the vast majority of people. I do a lot of modding on my games, from armors to textures, a little bit of scripting, custom plugins and ENB configurations, but I unfortunately have a business (so I can have money to donate to modders) and a family (who I have to save some of my money to look after). This means I do not have the time to commit myself to release anything I would feel able to support enough to warrant charging for it, I am an amateur. I also take copyright very seriously and therefore do not feel like I should be benefiting from many many years of hard work and passion. While we do have the less knowledgeable newer generations who do unfortunately (not always intentionally) see the world as "theirs for the taking", there are equally people who have come into the scene, do a re-texture and speak as if they had created SkyUI or Falksaar. My point is that we all started out not knowing anything and we build our knowledge up over time, some more quickly as they may be young and learning coding at school, others slower because it is a hobby outside their day to day commitment of being a part of a complex society. Speaking of society and "community" perhaps we should take the responsibility to teach and help the people who may not know any better, rather than just putting people into two camps of "useful" and "useless".

In response to post #24888079. #24888499, #24888584, #24888714, #24889009, #24889094, #24889294 are all replies on the same post. Mine is in my shed for now. Call me paranoid :P

In response to post #24871339. #24886114, #24887249 are all replies on the same post. I feel a little self-conscious linking my own post but it is part of discussion that is blooming here, one that we must not forget. Some here have read parts of this thread before and I promise this will be my last reference to it as I feel I have taken it as far as I can really. From the Topic: 'Is the word "user" negative? My final post: Thanks for the responses! I would have to agree there never can be anything wrong with the word "user" as word in its own right, and maybe all this simply has not been an issue that has entered people's minds till now, as the boat had not yet been rocked. My justification for asking the question in the first place, which has garnered a few views since this happened, was from the incisive approach that the, shall we say far right and far left, seemed to take on the many issues, with a strong sense of immediate "us vs. them" mentality. I (and maybe a few others) would like to try and understand these issues and allow others to contribute to the discussion. This is not the conclusive chapter, as it seems common sense that when the next wave of potential changes come, a number of the 9 million people from BOTH "camps" may, in the heat of the moment, feel misrepresented or unappreciated and therefore feel threatened and lash out, like ANY HUMAN would. Interestingly on the subject of self worth, I tried to donate to a member yesterday for what I thought was a commendable effort in helping the community. The member said, but I have no mods of my own, and was genuinely shocked at the idea of why someone would want to donate to them. I just wanted to throw the doors open as to why exactly we all are here, as for me it is most certainly not just about downloading mods, yet I also, most certainly, do not fall in to the mod "author" camp. As a Graphic Designer/Lecturer, and an aspiring, experimental "modder", troubleshooter, and veteran game emulation enthusiast, I feel I fall somewhere in the middle of all this, as do perhaps the vast majority of people I have had the pleasure to become acquainted with over the years. I only hope for everyone's own sake we can find a cohesion so we can all exist together and not take each other for granted. Ok, its cliche, but 'united we stand, divided we fall' Thanks for reading. SNB Link to discussion, please add your opinions: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2810229-is-the-word-user-negative/

In response to post #24870864. #24885899 is also a reply to the same post. The more I read and think about this, the more I start realising... it was a very crafty plan.

In response to post #24871504. #24871889, #24872029, #24872299, #24872914, #24873159, #24873254, #24873374, #24873424, #24873614, #24873674, #24873684, #24875884, #24876184, #24876264, #24877939, #24878114 are all replies on the same post. That is why I will fight for its survival.

In response to post #24873139. #24874159, #24874314, #24874474, #24874519, #24874634, #24874639, #24874729, #24874774, #24874924, #24874984, #24875019, #24875044, #24875074, #24875124, #24875219, #24875289, #24875334, #24875454, #24875484, #24875669, #24876774, #24876829, #24877709, #24877889 are all replies on the same post. "An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing." Nicholas Butler

In response to post #24876359. #24876429, #24876589 are all replies on the same post. Problem is how strong can we be against this change. I think our best "battle plan" is to either bend their arms to give better protection rights to all modders and customers, IF they have to be THAT bad then at least they can only do it to something we have not settled an agreement with, then avoid like the plague.The second option (and perhaps least likely) is to try lessen Val's grip on distribution altogether. Last option is race to bottom for Beth.

In response to post #24876359. Check Rebel's post in the following thread to see this idea and others. Comment the post if you think it should be endorsed. http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2796199-encouraging-users-to-donate-to-authors-on-the-nexus-without-people-resorting-to-begging/page-2

In response to post #24871504. #24871889, #24872029, #24872299, #24872914, #24873159, #24873254, #24873374, #24873424, #24873614, #24873674, #24873684, #24875884 are all replies on the same post. You cannot pay for mods, you can only pay for modding. No money for modding can go through Nexus. This is the short version.

Please understand, the Nexus does not keep your payment information (not even for Premium Subscriptions.) But your payment PROCESSOR (PayPal, etc.) may require your real information to, you know... send your money to someone on on your behalf. Since the Nexus does not, (and Dark0ne has repeatedly said it will not) hold people's money, the information passed to the receiving party is totally up to your payment processor and the Nexus does not, cannot, and will not, control that. My references were to the revelations of Wikileaks and Edward Snowden and meant no inference to Nexus. Sorry for my lack of clarity on that :/ SNB

In the light of current revelations over the past year or two, I would have to question the ability to have any legal anonymity. Other than if it were the case that the person was supposed to be. Do not get me wrong though, I personally am wholly in favor of being able to choose whether a recipient knows who donated to them or not.

@ Ac3s and everyone else Thanks for the responses! I would have to agree there never can be anything wrong with the word "user" as a word in its own right, and maybe all this simply has not been an issue that has entered people's minds till now, as the boat had not yet been rocked. My justification for asking the question in the first place, which has garnered a few views since this happened, was from the incisive approach that the, shall we say far right and far left, seemed to take on the many issues, with a strong sense of immediate "us vs. them" mentality. I (and maybe a few others) would like to try and understand these issues and allow others to contribute to the discussion. This is not the conclusive chapter, as it seems common sense that when the next wave of potential changes come, a number of the 9 million people from BOTH "camps" may, in the heat of the moment, feel misrepresented or unappreciated and therefore feel threatened and lash out, like ANY HUMAN would. Interestingly on the subject of self worth, I tried to donate to a member yesterday for what I thought was a commendable effort in helping the community. The member said, but I have no mods of my own, and was genuinely shocked at the idea of why someone would want to donate to them. I just wanted to throw the doors open as to why exactly we all are here, as for me it is most certainly not just about downloading mods, yet I also, most certainly, do not fall in to the mod "author" camp. As a Graphic Designer/Lecturer, and an aspiring, experimental "modder", troubleshooter, and veteran game emulation enthusiast, I feel I fall somewhere in the middle of all this, as do perhaps the vast majority of people I have had the pleasure to become acquainted with over the years. I only hope for everyone's own sake we can find a cohesion so we can all exist together and not take each other for granted. Ok, its cliche, but 'united we stand, divided we fall' Thanks for reading. SNB

In response to post #24838714. #24841759, #24842129, #24844344, #24844739, #24845434, #24845714, #24847419, #24848004, #24848174, #24848329, #24849004, #24850284, #24851314, #24852044 are all replies on the same post. "Now now, let's not bicker and argue about who killed who." - The Holy Grail -

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In response to post #24838714. #24841759, #24842129, #24844344, #24844739, #24845434 are all replies on the same post. We must remember that we are all responsible for our childrens' futures. Why has the world become the way it has?