Thoreai
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Pavy: I'm bored too. I just want to be able to build my own little house in Skyrim over the Xmas holiday. I have the location planned and everything. It's not much longer to wait at least but unfortunately patience isn't one of my virtues. I'll content myself with making some new 3d models until it arrives.
Sounds great!
I should start to take some tutorials in 3d modelling...i actually did but im stuck with learning to draw...love it too much but i suck at it. :wallbash:
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Alright Math, im not blind to good points, lets end it here as it gets really off topic and while i want to express what i have on mind it would take another several pages and it would be really just spam.
All i can say is, ignore is a good option, i do that a lot when i see similiar topics.
This was a good discussion, thanks.
You are welcome!
As a note: Ignoring is not fun though. I got enough sparetime untill christmas to have fun on the forums! Need to spend my time before the CK somehow
Ye the same with me, cant wait untill ck comes out...im dang bored.
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Alright Matth, im not blind to good points, lets end it here as it gets really off topic and while i want to express what i have on mind it would take another several pages and it would be really just spam.
All i can say is, ignore is a good option, i do that a lot when i see similiar topics.
This was a good discussion, thanks. :thumbsup:
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Becouse they care, they want it to be better...why are you positive people not making more topics, im asking myself the same...dont you care?
Why you spent your time trying to tell these who are unhappy to stop being that way, you could use it and make instead positive topics, even the unhappy would join you, becouse you would made them remember that there are also positive things.
We don't need to make more topics. There are more pressing matters than "SKyrim sucks because *insert random opinion*" or "SKyrim ROCKS!!". We don't post, because we don't need to.
It is really not my job to make people smile. If somebody got something to say against Skyrim, I will check it out. Good or bad, I will check it out. If the argument is closer to flamebait than anything, I might just bite.
As Ive said before, I really do not care if people love or hate the game. I simply care how it is being expressed. A game is not for everybody -- we all know that.
You dont need to?..what pressing matters, in one way you are talking as you arent interested in anything and then you come up with "make solutions"..i practicaly gave you a solution...make more positive threads....right you have other pressing matters, though im wondering why you post here in this useless topic.
Your opinion again...i dont see them as negative.My opinion that negative posts are.. negative?
My opinion that we can not help?
What opinion? Negativity is negative no matter what, and that is a fact. And you claimed this was a core problem: We can not fix the core of a game. We can alter it slightly, but that is beside the point. None of my 2 points were opinions, but facts.
It is a fact negativity is never awesome. It is my opinion that I hate Morrowind fanboys. Quite the different in the 2, even though they can be mixed fast.
Again im talking about critique here, you know critique, not the "skyrim sucks" line.
And again many of us said we like the game, yet you still say we dont..again its your opinion.Reread the first few words I wrote: I don't care what you guys think about the game. Like it? Good. Hate it? sure. Find it OK? nice. Is that point very hard to get?
I've said countless time: Your opinion is yours - I don't care. We all got opinions about the game. However, posting anything that is not usefull -- THAT I care about. If you want change, try to change it -- Don't expect everybody else too.
Im not changing anything, im having a discussion.
This is The Nexus, not the official forums. If you want the developers attention, you go there. Here you get gamers and modders to chat with, not developers. We can do as much as you.
Yeah thats what we are doing, chatting, discussing things...how comes its so hard to understand?
Anything posted at the oficial forums about bugs and critique gets usually closed, thats pretty obvious if you were there.
Also i dont remember nexus being here only for certain types of discussions.
I suggest you flush out what you see as an "opinion". Because the only opinion I got so far is: I like Skyrim. I don't care if you do. I care how you say it.
Everything is an opinion when you express it, even not having an opinion means you have one, only if you stop thinking/talking/writting then you will be without opinion.
Cheers,
Matth
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I think it's funny that Todd Howard would mention in an amusing interview about how during a test play, they discovered that chickens were reporting crimes...yet, apparently they're still doing it haha.
Yeah i saw that it, it was probably one of his "if it is funny we wont remove it" thoughts...the problem is, if you dont know that and save you are screwed. :ohdear:
It also says a lot about their way of caring for bugs.
Yeah, agree, a little concerning..
"LOL, look...the dragons are flying backwards now."
"Ha, that's too funny. Let's keep it in just for kicks and giggles."
Honestly, i wouldnt be surprised if they did like for 1 patch..."lets leave it like that and in the next patch that comes in 2 months we going to repair it....might happen they will like it and we dont have to fix it" xD
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That is a good point, I once read an article about that problem, although it was specifically about NPCs. In essence the author came to the conclusion, that making things more realistic doesn't always make them less immersion breaking/more believeable. And I have to kinda agree, in many earlier games most of the NPCs around you were cardboard cutouts, they rarely moved, didn't talk to one another, just standing in that one spot 24/7 to give you a quest, a tip or just to say something. The shopowner wasn't the guy you meet at the pub after his store closes, he was a vending machine for potions, weapons, armor etc). Yes they sometimes had a personality through their dialogue but if you think about it they didn't behave human.
But because of that they were just part of the scenery and lifed solely based on their dialog and for their designated purpose, making them more like a book/story/machine and less like a person. But by giving them the ability to move around, to have a life etc. we start to see them as human and every failure they have is getting even more obvious and "in your face". The same for everything else, the more the world becomes like ours the more we expect things to work like they do in our world. In earlier games we just accepted that all that weapons the shop owner has laying around can't be picked up, that shop owners were not attackable or that certain characters can't be killed etc-, but the more realistic Skyrim becomes the more those borders begin to bug and annoy us. I don't think that is because we are greedy or spoiled it just is natural that when something looks like it could be real and offer all the possibilities of reality plus some more the more we get annoyed and ripped out of our experience when we realize that it isn't and doesn't.
I find such questions quite fascinating, how far can we drive games towards realism before our acceptance of borders fails to kick in. Or I am just interpreting too much into it and ramble nonsense.
I agree..for me, games that become more and more realistical arent really games anymore, they are just copies of reality, simulators.
Though ofcourse skyrim isnt anything of that, problem is that while it tried to be realistical, there is plenty of things that kill the realism .
For example, you have npcs reacting to what you do...like being naked etc, but on the other hand if you become someone, like a guildmaster or thane, they completely ignore it...and this is with many things in skyrim, but the game dont sucks, but as it has being said, it didnt lived up to the expectations.
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why i cant defend my opinion of being unhappy
We got no problems in people being unhappy. But why do people feel they need to say it? There is very few topics saying "Skyrim is perfect!" compared to the one saying "Skyrim sucks!". That is because neither helps anything. However, even then: The positive one is more fun to read for everybody, and the other is either flamebait or simply negative.
Becouse they care, they want it to be better...why are you positive people not making more topics, im asking myself the same...dont you care?
Why you spent your time trying to tell these who are unhappy to stop being that way, you could use it and make instead positive topics, even the unhappy would join you, becouse you would made them remember that there are also positive things.
If there is an issue that is unknown, we are all happy to hear. We are, however, not happy to read comments on how X game did Y better, or that X quest is bugged - which is known. I am more than happy to help somebody if they say "Hey guys. Uhm... I got a few bugged quests. Could you help me?", but I am not willing to be any helpfull to somebody going "OMG X quest bugged! Why?!", or "WHY ISNT THIS MORROWIND 2!!" or perhaps "X GAME DID ENCHANTING BETTER!".
I agree with this.
My point being: Negative comments are never nice. If you don't like something, then it is fine. However, you got no reason to yell it out: At least not here. Go to the official forums and yell it out. We can not help, we will not help and negativity breaks more than they fix.
Your opinion again...i dont see them as negative.
As I've said quite a while: I don't mind people not liking it. Heck, I don't mind people pointing out how bad some aspect is. I do, however, mind people comparing games, criticizing Bethesda for not making Morrowind 2, naming known bugs and glitches and generally not trying to do a thing themself.
And again many of us said we like the game, yet you still say we dont..again its your opinion.
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Thats the problem, you see us criticizing the game as negative, as whining (and im not talking about these people, shouting "skyrim sucks"), while i am just discussing my feelings of the game, but that dossent mean i hate it, reason for replying in this thread was elvinkun's post wich i found being exactly to how i feel about it.
Also if you are happy with something and you want to defend your opinion, why i cant defend my opinion of being unhappy, why i have to read everytime "you dont like it, go play something else"... i remember its usually these people not having problems with anything, that tell these lines and sending everyone to hell.
There is a difference in filling the forums with positive people, instead of fanboys who jump on anyone who voices his/her opinion.
Oh yes. People have the right to say it's all crap, fine. But just because I say I like it, I'm a silly fanboy (XD) who doesn't want to see blah blah. Well, I've been playing videogames since the old VIC20 days, so I can live with some flaws. If you can't, you should at least name the Perfect Game you played that didn't have any. Because I never found one, and would really want to give it a try. Sorry, but I think you're all taking it too seriously. It *IS* just a game after all.
Sorry you are also taking it too seriously, its just a discussion after all.
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m here to discuss things about this game, becouse thats what the forums are here for and as long it keeps being civil there is no harm in it...you dont agree with us?..fine, but do not tell us what to do.
Issue: Half the topics is NOT discussing anything. They are purely flamebait. "I hate Skyrim because it is not Morrowind!!" seem to be a 'good' argument. This is not helping anybody.
What I write now is not really pointed at 'you', but generally anybody who wants to cry how bad the game is:
The thing is, EVERYBODY knows there are bugs. Whining about it does not help anybody. If you, or anybody else for that matter, got nothing new to say - don't say it. Bethesda is working their asses of fixing the game, modders are fixing what they can, and then we got the realy haters who believe this is Morrowind. LIsten: Morrowind is still here. Go play it and leave this game for us who sees the good in it.
Got a new bug? Nice!
Got a glitch you got, know how you got, and why you got it? Perfect!
Mention the game is easy after exploiting, saying the game is not Morrowind, mentioning the bugs we know, etc, etc are not helping. We know, Bethesda know, you know. We gain nothing by it, other than flame-wars, which is idiotic.
We build this on opinions. Opinions mean nothing. I like Skyrim, you might not. I hate Morrowind, you might love it. I know the faults and know they can be fixed, you don't care.
Opinions means nothing at all, and is NOT a valid reason for an argument. "Skyrim suck because it is not Morrowind!" is like me saying "Morrowind suck 'cause batman isn't there!!!". Who really cares? Nobody.
If you want to voice a concern, great. Do me a favour though: Find new problems, find SOLUTIONS, do not mention Morrowind -- or any other game and do not use an opinion as an argument. Combine any of these, and it is more a flamebait, or a troll attempt, than anything.
You cannot take these people crying its not morrowind or it sucks, seriously, im speaking about these people who just tell how they feel without trashing the game...no the game is good i said it many times myself, just as many of others, criticizing skyrim did.
You are right though, we are going in circles in almost all threads, everything has been already discussed to death..though i cant find a solution for something that its flawed in its core in my opinion...did you find a solution to stop people making troll threads, other then whining about them whining?
Its all about the core in both cases...if someone tells me "you hate the game go play something else" then i can just reply with same "you are happy with the game, go play it".
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Oh please. There will never be anything like a "perfect game", someone will always dislike some parts of it. I'm not praising the developers, I'm just saying Skyrim is good for ME. It has some flaws but none of them is big enough to spoil my fun.
Just becouse you think so, dossent mean we all have to agree.
If we would hate skyrim as some of you fanboys are trying to make it look, we wouldnt be here, but im not going to close my eyes and pretend that "oh it has bugs and unbalance"but thats fine!
Im here to discuss things about this game, becouse thats what the forums are here for and as long it keeps being civil there is no harm in it...you dont agree with us?..fine, but do not tell us what to do.
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I think it's funny that Todd Howard would mention in an amusing interview about how during a test play, they discovered that chickens were reporting crimes...yet, apparently they're still doing it haha.
Yeah i saw that it, it was probably one of his "if it is funny we wont remove it" thoughts...the problem is, if you dont know that and save you are screwed. :ohdear:
It also says a lot about their way of caring for bugs.
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I have a feeling that Bethesda has no idea what the hell they're doing. They're becoming the laughingstock of the gaming community, and gods at the same time. Incredible game, but they have NO clue how to manage it and leave stuff alone.
Dont worry they got the "Best game studio"award ..they have to know what they doing ..right...right?! :unsure: :wallbash:
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Skyrim is one of those cases... every single part of it sucks, but when they are put together, it's pretty epic for no apparent reason.
That is if you can live with large number of bugs and technical difficulties. But we all knew they will be there.
I'm sure someone will like to hit me with a brick again, but there are no games like Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale and Planetscape anymore. Everything went to hell a bit. Or actually, everything improved, if you are "cool person" and hate reading, story and such. If you want to keep close, you want to aim for Neverwinter series. Perhaps Dragon Age: Origins (Note, Dragon Age 1, not DA 2, that's just not "it").
I comepletely agree, this is the exact feeling i have of skyrim and pretty much of all bethesda games...overall their games are good, you can get lost in them for hours and hours, but once you start to pay attention to the details, wich will happen after a time, you see the parts are poorly done.
I love to RP and immerse myself into a game, but with skyrim i just couldnt...i did played it a lot, but the more i played it, the more i felt disconnected with it...and finally after coming to the bards college, eagerly waiting that im going to be a bard, you know playing those instruments and stuff, the only thing i got was some quest and learn speech...that was basicaly the last straw, after that i didnt played.
Now im just waiting for the ck to repeat the same as with oblivion, tons of mods in order to be interested and i havent even finished the main quest. :wallbash:
I guess I understand and even agree to a point. I just look at Steam and see 216 hours played and it trumps any game I have played in a long time. The Civ series was always my favorite since Civ 2 but Civ 5 is crap (129 hrs) compared to the others. Civ 2 is way better and 4 is the best. I can't even imagine the hours I put into Civ 2,3 and 4.
Yeah i spent countless hours playing tes games thanks to mods...but i think also one of the reasons i cant get into skyrim is the oblivion deja vu i feel..i was kinda waiting for a new approach from them after so many years.
I cant say that there arent new things done, but the overall feel reminds me a lot of oblivion.
I comepletely agree, this is the exact feeling i have of skyrim and pretty much of all bethesda games...overall their games are good, you can get lost in them for hours and hours, but once you start to pay attention to the details, wich will happen after a time, you see the parts are poorly done.
I love to RP and immerse myself into a game, but with skyrim i just couldnt...i did played it a lot, but the more i played it, the more i felt disconnected with it...and finally after coming to the bards college, eagerly waiting that im going to be a bard, you know playing those instruments and stuff, the only thing i got was some quest and learn speech...that was basicaly the last straw, after that i didnt played.
Now im just waiting for the ck to repeat the same as with oblivion, tons of mods in order to be interested and i havent even finished the main quest. :wallbash:
Yeah, once you start to think about it too much, it all breaks. But the details hurt, so many things that could've been so much better with little to no effort while it was in development. It actually looks like some parts were added just to remind you "It's just a game, don't try to get sucked in too much", can't shake that feeling.
From that point of view, I think the best game Beth made (in recent history) is Fallout 3. It's a bit of a combo breaker, when compared to other Fallouts, but still. Found it to be easy to get completly lost there, when noone kept telling you you're a sneak thief after you saved their life 15 times over.
Yeah exactly as you said, some things could be done really without effort...i just wasnt able to tell wth is wrong, til you nailed it for me..this
"It's just a game, don't try to get sucked in too much" .
And yeah fallout3 was in my opinion also their best...still remember good ol' quest with the bomb...you had a choice!...where did that go? :wallbash:
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Skyrim is one of those cases... every single part of it sucks, but when they are put together, it's pretty epic for no apparent reason.
That is if you can live with large number of bugs and technical difficulties. But we all knew they will be there.
I'm sure someone will like to hit me with a brick again, but there are no games like Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale and Planetscape anymore. Everything went to hell a bit. Or actually, everything improved, if you are "cool person" and hate reading, story and such. If you want to keep close, you want to aim for Neverwinter series. Perhaps Dragon Age: Origins (Note, Dragon Age 1, not DA 2, that's just not "it").
I comepletely agree, this is the exact feeling i have of skyrim and pretty much of all bethesda games...overall their games are good, you can get lost in them for hours and hours, but once you start to pay attention to the details, wich will happen after a time, you see the parts are poorly done.
I love to RP and immerse myself into a game, but with skyrim i just couldnt...i did played it a lot, but the more i played it, the more i felt disconnected with it...and finally after coming to the bards college, eagerly waiting that im going to be a bard, you know playing those instruments and stuff, the only thing i got was some quest and learn speech...that was basicaly the last straw, after that i didnt played.
Now im just waiting for the ck to repeat the same as with oblivion, tons of mods in order to be interested and i havent even finished the main quest. :wallbash:
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I do miss the "robin hood" style thiefs guild from oblivion, just as i miss the Dark Brotherhood dark mystical atmosphere...both of these guilds were pretty much reduced to thugs in skyrim.
I can understand that there are hard times for people and everyone is trying to make a coin from what they can, but it kinda killed the atmosphere of these guilds.
I did enjoyed the Thiefs guild quest for some part though, but yeah i really hated to be under some Maven Blackbriar who never evoked in me being a person with influences...i was just being pissed to get quests from someone who just b*tches on anything but has no character that would make me respect it and the same was with DB and pretty much all guild quests...no memorable characters.
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I have 0 understanding of why Beth too this route but again it is done.
I guess they wanted a central point for updates as well as a way to ensure that everyone can update (to get some pressure off of their support lines etc.), a better way of installing mods (look at how many people asked how to install mods, that way it will most likely only be some button clicks), thereby keeping people interested in the product/franchise etc., then the fact that with Steam they had a tested(Less likely to be down for several days after release as well as not having to use own servers) if not 100% stable DRM system with whom they already have dealt, with Fallout and Oblivion. Perhaps more accurate salesfigures etc. were playing a part too, since they now most likely know how many people are really playing the game etc.
Also I find the theory of them testing the system to one day integrate something like that for consoles not all that unlikely. If the whole thing is good or bad ... well only the future will tell, although I hope that mods continue to stay free ... who knows.
Wait what, i dont remember saying anything like this, are you sure you are quoting the right person ...is this a conspiracy, or am i getting old?! :ohdear:
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First of all I am sorry that I only have 3 posts. Because unlike all other users on this forum I did not start out at 500 posts(the fact that you judge me on my post count makes me feel I need to clarify that I am being sarcastic).
And how did I miss your point? Just like so many others you complain about the fact that companies try to make money. If this is not the case, please do explain your point then.
No need to explain anything if you would read this thread and read why i wrote this you wouldnt ask me for an explanation.
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They've made no effort whatsoever with the PC version, it looks like a 2005 game and the less said about the UI the better.
Speaking of that...this screenshot comparsion here the first pick http://skyrim.supermensa.org/page/2 made me lol.
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I agree...the only thing i dont agree with you is the depth...in my opinion it absolutely lacks in depth..while being a beutifully crafted world, its filled with puppets, that are reminding you of it everytime they speak their given phrases...there are no emotions in that game.
Also there are no real choices in it, as nothing you do really matters..you are a hero,thief,mass murderer all in one person and nothing of that matters.
Also the civil war..i was never convinced that there is something like that going on....the whole thing is static....if you arent continuing the q you dont even know there is a war at all.
I want to believe in this world, but everytime i play the only thing that comes to mind is "i need CK", the game itself in vanila state, while being fun in contrast to vanila oblivion, reminds me of a playground...here they did a bit of this, there a bit of that, but nothing has been really finished/polished and everything screams of "we werent given enough time".
I like the game, but im getting somewhat tired of their attitude "modders will fix it for us".
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Corporations arent doing anything out of generosity...open your eyes.
OH! A company trying to make money?? WHAT A DISGRACE! LETS PROTEST AND CALL THEM SILLY NAMES! THAT WILL TEACH THEM!
What a disgrace to miss my point...3 posts huh, are you on a payroll again?
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Yeah, that quest was one the really better ones.
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The OP said he cant understand people having problems with steam...so the people came here to tell him why they dont like steam and that they have issues with it, but because pro-steam people took it personally as an anti-steam propaganda they started to troll them.
If you would actually read this topic you would realize this, many of them stated that its everyones own opinion how they look at steam and they arent pushing their opinion upon anyone, they came here just to tell why they dont like it, because they thought this topic was made for that purpose.
The problem only is, the OP knew very good why some people dont like steam, since there were made zilions of threads about having problems with it and this thread was made for nothing else then trolling them.
"What I don't get is why the people who are having issues with Steam are now attacking, quite viciously, the people who aren't having issues with Steam, too."
Its the oposite.
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Corporations arent doing anything out of generosity...open your eyes.
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Very well said, AbleGnome.
However, there IS something to be done about it: I'm never making the mistake of buying a game that relies on Steam again. If that means I miss out on a lot of games, so be it. I really regret caving in and buying Skyrim and installing Steam. The pair are getting wiped off my pc today.
Won't be making that mistake ever again.
if you are so miserable about skyrim and steam... then leave? a few of us skyrim fans want to talk about skyrim on the skyrim forums... not about why steam hurts your e-feelings.
Then again we can say the same to you, you dont like what we write here...leave noone is holding you.
There is a difference between a fan and a blind fanboy.
is it me or does skyrim suck big time
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I remember someone mentioning the macro and micro detail..oh wait that was Todd Howard...nvm. :laugh: