Shinobi: I don't have any of the unofficial updates, I have OBMM, I think I have BOSS but I guess I forgot about it. I'll give that a go. MShoap13: Yeah, if I deactivate all the plugins it still crashes, wether it's continueing a save or starting a new game. I have Archive Invalidation from OBMM, I think I have it set up right, but I'm not sure. Anyway, after many fruitless attempts besides, I've decided to quit trying to make DR6 work and settle for DR5, it works and as far as I know does the same things. But I've had to uninstall Oblivion to stop the crashes, if that doesn't work I'll do what I did with FNV, delete everything in it's folder then reinstall from STeam, it worked last time so why shouldn't it now? Anyway thanks guys, I'll keep these things in mind in case this happens again. Fallouttau