I agree that they are about the toughest enemy in the game. I've come up against them (or rather, they seem to find me when I am exploring at night- I swear they have a mile-wide aggro field!) several times. I almost always use a fireball staff when I first see them at distance, then a fire-enchanted 1-handed ebony sword or axe, using health potions as needed. I have Dawnbreaker now so would likely use her for next time. When I killed Movarth, I was able to sneak up onto a ledge overlooking the room he was in and took out his cronies first w/my flaming arrows, chugging a few invis potions, and then switched to either a flame-wall staff or fireball staff before he closed in on me. But fire-based weapons and health potions are what have worked for me - this is where my alchemy skill comes in handy :thumbsup: Those fights with Vholkinar masters are ALWAYS exciting! edited to correct spelling on Movarth's name