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In response to post #27772820. #27773245, #27785260, #27787150, #27827605, #27828245, #27828875 are all replies on the same post.I'm 44 been gaming since 1977. Used to be a 'Man's' only land (boys if you like). Now, in games like Skyrim, Fallout, Mass Effect, World of Warcraft, Counterstrike: Global Offensive (that's right a FPS game) and many many others....I meet and see women gamer's all the time (my daughter, 23 and a new mother has been a gamer since age 5). This hobby as become all inclusive and more and more diverse over the years. I, for one, and happy as hell women play these games with us as it has helped to destroy the myth that only 'kids and little boy's' play video games. I even get my butt stomped regularly in 'StarCraft II' by women and to me....it's oddly refreshing.Comix777 wrote: It was pretty obvious that women are a tiny minority. Despite this whole lie that "45% of gamers are female", men are, and always were, a large majority of gamers. It's as simple as that.westsidekidd wrote: And from where do you have this information?
I am 42 years old. When I started to play Computer games when I was 14 years old, no girl was ever interested in playing Computer games, at least not many, but this has absolutely changed and there will be a lot more in the future. Thanks to games which have a story, like Dragon Age and Mass Effect and also Skyrim and Fallout.
Go look on deviantart, how many female Mass Effect and Dragon Age fans there are, for example. To me it seems there are a lot more than male fans.
So in my opinion it could really be that half of the gamers these days ARE in fact females.xenoforge78 wrote: None of that really related to what he said, apart from your opinion on whether it's true or not. Obviously here it's a vast majority, and I highly doubt it will ever rise; it doesn't need to. The whole stat of half of gamers are women is pretty much rubbish.westsidekidd wrote: None of that? My whole comment is about what he said.EspadaDeHelado wrote: Yeah, this isn't exactly that relevant to the survey at all, but yes there is a low percentage of woman gamers/gaming enthusiasts (the people who would use mods and a mod hub). The numbers from studies are used disingenuously. It is roughly a half and half split for "people who play games" because of handheld and mobile games, but women tend to play more causal games on average either through their phones or through social media websites like Facebook rather than the heavier games that mainline gaming technology and culture is engrossed in. That's what skews the graph in that area, and then even in heavier games you still have splits in preference between genres. https://i.imgur.com/QwjTwT2.jpgtoadlet wrote: I disagree with your comment, Comix777. You cannot use the nexus survey to prove or disprove how many male or female gamers there actually are. I know many people who are very anti-modding regarding their own gaming, so therefore these people are probably not even be signed up to nexus, let alone answering this survey, regardless of sex. All you can take away from this survey is that there are more male users of nexus than female (who bothered to do the survey).westsidekidd wrote: @toadlet
And this survey wasn't even really representative. There are a lot of users (male and female), who didn't even knew that there was this survey or they simply didn't answered it, but fact is, that there are a lot more female gamers out there than some people think. -
As my comrade "TheGieloo" has asked, if that disc was used by your friend then it's registered to whatever STEAM account he registered it on. It will be nothing more than a coaster for you. You can buy the DLC on STEAM relatively cheap most times, so look there.
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In response to post #24873139. #24874159, #24874314, #24874474, #24874519, #24874634, #24874639, #24874729, #24874774, #24874924, #24874984, #24875019, #24875044, #24875074, #24875124, #24875219, #24875289, #24875334, #24875454, #24875484 are all replies on the same post.And to continue on this point by Vesuvius1745....when I give my $$$$ for anything in this world be it new tires, PC parts, cable T.V./internet, books, food, games, music, etc. I HAVE the right as a paying customer to offer my critique or displeasure or ANYTHING with what I paid for if it doesn't meet my expectations as a customer. I don't have to be a tire manufacturer to offer my opinion that I like Firestone better than the other brands. You make no sense man in your argument. You act as if we are indebted to Bethesda and I can assure you it's the other way around. Kudos given to Vesuvius1745.thefinn wrote: I doubt they will drop this.
They will do more research than smoking some doobies in the coffee lounge at valve and saying "You know what would be cool ?" then we'll see something similar coming up again in the future.
There's way too much money involved for this to go away.
Personally, if they'd just add a "donate" button and not try to "sell mods" that might go down better.Vesuvius1745 wrote: With the next TES game, I could see them charging for the Creation Kit, and then setting it so you have to "share" your mods on a specific website they control, and then charging people a flat-access rate to the website.
Oh, and I can see them releasing the next TES game even more incomplete than Skyrim. Release a barebones game, make money off it, then let the modders finish your game, and make money off of that too. I bet I've just given some pencil pusher at Bethesda a 3-inch erection.wulfharth wrote: That's called an alpha release, and that happens everyday.
Bethesda has always tried hard to keep everyone happy (except with the exclusive DLC period releases). They just wanted to give people who make mods a chance to do it for a living. Shame on them for creating jobs and stimulating the mod community. They should all kill themselves. Right? Should I make a sign protest mod about them offering opportunity?
How do I block this guy? The option isn't at the bottom of his posts.wulfharth wrote: Ha! I found out where to do it, but I can't block you Vesuvius1745 because you've never contributed a mod, so you aren't listed as an author.
So why again do you feel you have the right to have an opinion on what actual mod contributor's are allowed to do with their mods? You aren't even one of us.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize the corporation known as Bethesda was being altruistic, and just wanted to stimulate the economy while at the same time giving amateur mod authors their Big Break. You're not only a glass-is-half-full kind of guy, you're a glass-is-half-full when it's actually empty kind of guy.
Instead of trying to make a buck off of mod authors, they should concentrate on making sure the next TES release is stable and complete. Yes, game companies are releasing their games earlier and earlier, and frankly, many gamers are sick of paying to Beta test unfinished products.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Good question, wulth. As someone who paid for Skyrim, I have the same right as the 133,000+ other people who signed the petition given to Bethesda telling them what we thought of this pay-for system.
I suspect the pencil pusher who came up with this idea is probably shaking in his boots. Wondering if he will have a job next month. Maybe he's even trolling these forums to test the waters, and not liking what he is seeing.thefinn wrote: Well I am a pretty harsh critic of games, I think Skyrim is one of the best I've played in years.
There might've been some bugs at launch, but few are the games you'll find without them and frankly with the size of Skyrim they are to be expected.
I don't see how it was "incomplete".wulfharth wrote: @Vesuvius-Instead of telling super successful multi-million dollar corporations with giant and loyal fan bases how to run their businesses, you should go try and make a dungeon or create and add a custom 3D model. I'm sure you'll change your tune very quickly.
You have no frame of reference for what it means or takes to be a mod author. Stop telling everyone what to do or what they should do. You aren't qualified.thefinn wrote: The difference being that the question for you is "Can I still get free stuff?" while the question for modders is "Is this a system I find reasonable to work with?"
The only saving grace to me was the thought that perhaps I should start putting together my feminine walk mod again to be paid for, or to be the free alternative to the other mod of its' kind. It actually made me think this (for the very small mods I have done) it was in fact my first thought.
So it can indeed instill the impetus in modders to mod.
However, the drawbacks of the current idea are awful.
It leaves the door open for game companies to make mods "steam only" in the future for benefits to the bottom line for instance.wulfharth wrote: The official paid DLC is Steam only. Why not the smaller not official but sanctioned DLC? We always have the Nexus if modders want to choose to throw up an donate button to not get pressed and give free work to the sweet and loving community.thefinn wrote: You're missing the point.
They can make the game so that when it runs it only allows mods that steam downloaded.
And they would be...
1) In their rights to do so.
2) getting more profits by doing so and they are corporations you know?Reaper0021 wrote: thefinn is right in that regard. IF THEY WANTED to be tyrannical about it that is.thefinn wrote: And when have you known corporations not to be ?
DRM itself had huge backlash at the time... but here it is still.Reaper0021 wrote: I agree with you thefinn. I'll tell you one that isn't and I defy you to say otherwise: CDProjekt Red. But in all aspects of this you're 100% right.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Wulf, your ad hominem aside, I'm not going to post my resume because it's irrelevant. Every person who bought Skyrim (they are called customers) have an absolute right to tell Bethesda what they think of their business practices. It doesn't matter if not a single one of those 133,000 people who signed the petition never wrote a mod, or has not done something YOU think "qualifies" them to giver their opinion. They still get to give it.
Of course Bethesda is under no obligation to listen to their customers. In this case they did. They probably also realized what a Hiroshima-type disaster this was, and if they were smart, fired the individual(s) responsible for this abortion of creativity.wulfharth wrote: If Bethesda wanted to be tyrants, they probably wouldn't have out of pocketed to provide and update the creation kit. And that's just for the PC gamers mind you. That is a special gift just to us that is more valuable than any 10 mods on here. You should feel loved and have more faith in them.wulfharth wrote: Vesuvius-You are Bethesda's customer. Not mine. I don't want your made up resume. All I know is that you haven't posted a single mod. You aren't a modder. Why are you telling us what we can do with our work?Reaper0021 wrote: It's not about lack of love or faith. It's about common business practices. A business remains a business as long as it can "TURN A PROFIT" and when it can't no longer (ATARI, Commodore, SEGA, etc.) then it stops becoming a business and becomes a share holders nightmare. All of this is just theory talk...but in the back of my mind I remain cautious about what the future holds.thefinn wrote: Totally agree, if I were going to have love or faith (without going to church) it'd be in the Nexus, not some new system Valve has talked Bethesda into.Vesuvius1745 wrote: I, nor anybody else, is telling mod authors what they can or cannot do with their "work". As Bethesda's customers, we explained to them we did not want a pay-for paradigm for mods. We gave our opinion, which as customers we have every right to give. They didn't have to listen to their customers, but they did. Since Bethesda owns the Intellectual property rights to Skyrim, and mod authors sign their EULA accepting their contract, it is Bethesda who gets to tell mod authors what they can or cannot do with their derivative creations. If a mod author is upset by that, then they should take it up with Bethesda. Or mod for a game that allows paid-for mods. Whining about it here, or getting upset with the people who bought Skyrim and gave their opinion, is not going to be fruitful. -
In response to post #24875184. #24875254, #24875349 are all replies on the same post.Good solid point thefinn. Agreed. Of my mod collection approx say 25% of them cause me issues whether it's compatibility or w/e. The ones I use...going to give for. Kudos given to thefinn for making me think.mjmercer wrote: I would like to think of myself as a typical Skyrim gamer. I've been playing since release. I have been a premium member for most of the time. I have downloaded many mods, most of which I don't end up using. For every 10 mods I download I use maybe 1 for some time.
I wouldn't mind paying for the ones I like and use. However I don't expect to pay for the ones that don't work on my system or that I just don't end up liking at all.
I don't mind paying BUT there has to be some sort of control on it. If I pay for it and 100 other people download from some remote site free it wont be long before I'll stop paying for them myself. I would have stopped playing Skyrin 2 years ago without the mods. It is not a polished game. It is OK but without mods I would have lost interest a long time ago.
So if they can figure out a way to charge for only the mods I like and can stop free access then I'm OK with some sort of fee.Reaper0021 wrote: I'm in agreement with mjmercer. I have over 200 mods...but am using I THINK at last LooT count was "172 Active." I'm going to donate for the ones that meet the following criteria for me:
Change the game in such a way that it makes me re-roll a new character to play.
Doesn't break my game or cause me tons of issues whether my own fault or the mod makers.
Is innovative and creative but retains the lore of The Elder Scrolls."
Is purely fun.
These mods I'll gladly give donations for as they have made my 2011 game a major staple of my library since.thefinn wrote: Yeah another good point, I know I think my max amount of mods was like 200ish at one point. I know I had to try several different mods of a particular type (to do a particular job) in order to get them all to work.
There was a lot of trying mods in order to get things working (part of the fun).
I'd hate to have to pay for things that wouldn't work though. -
In response to post #24873139. #24874159, #24874314, #24874474, #24874519, #24874634, #24874639, #24874729, #24874774, #24874924, #24874984, #24875019, #24875044, #24875074, #24875124, #24875219, #24875289 are all replies on the same post.It's not about lack of love or faith. It's about common business practices. A business remains a business as long as it can "TURN A PROFIT" and when it can't no longer (ATARI, Commodore, SEGA, etc.) then it stops becoming a business and becomes a share holders nightmare. All of this is just theory talk...but in the back of my mind I remain cautious about what the future holds.thefinn wrote: I doubt they will drop this.
They will do more research than smoking some doobies in the coffee lounge at valve and saying "You know what would be cool ?" then we'll see something similar coming up again in the future.
There's way too much money involved for this to go away.
Personally, if they'd just add a "donate" button and not try to "sell mods" that might go down better.Vesuvius1745 wrote: With the next TES game, I could see them charging for the Creation Kit, and then setting it so you have to "share" your mods on a specific website they control, and then charging people a flat-access rate to the website.
Oh, and I can see them releasing the next TES game even more incomplete than Skyrim. Release a barebones game, make money off it, then let the modders finish your game, and make money off of that too. I bet I've just given some pencil pusher at Bethesda a 3-inch erection.wulfharth wrote: That's called an alpha release, and that happens everyday.
Bethesda has always tried hard to keep everyone happy (except with the exclusive DLC period releases). They just wanted to give people who make mods a chance to do it for a living. Shame on them for creating jobs and stimulating the mod community. They should all kill themselves. Right? Should I make a sign protest mod about them offering opportunity?
How do I block this guy? The option isn't at the bottom of his posts.wulfharth wrote: Ha! I found out where to do it, but I can't block you Vesuvius1745 because you've never contributed a mod, so you aren't listed as an author.
So why again do you feel you have the right to have an opinion on what actual mod contributor's are allowed to do with their mods? You aren't even one of us.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize the corporation known as Bethesda was being altruistic, and just wanted to stimulate the economy while at the same time giving amateur mod authors their Big Break. You're not only a glass-is-half-full kind of guy, you're a glass-is-half-full when it's actually empty kind of guy.
Instead of trying to make a buck off of mod authors, they should concentrate on making sure the next TES release is stable and complete. Yes, game companies are releasing their games earlier and earlier, and frankly, many gamers are sick of paying to Beta test unfinished products.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Good question, wulth. As someone who paid for Skyrim, I have the same right as the 133,000+ other people who signed the petition given to Bethesda telling them what we thought of this pay-for system.
I suspect the pencil pusher who came up with this idea is probably shaking in his boots. Wondering if he will have a job next month. Maybe he's even trolling these forums to test the waters, and not liking what he is seeing.thefinn wrote: Well I am a pretty harsh critic of games, I think Skyrim is one of the best I've played in years.
There might've been some bugs at launch, but few are the games you'll find without them and frankly with the size of Skyrim they are to be expected.
I don't see how it was "incomplete".wulfharth wrote: @Vesuvius-Instead of telling super successful multi-million dollar corporations with giant and loyal fan bases how to run their businesses, you should go try and make a dungeon or create and add a custom 3D model. I'm sure you'll change your tune very quickly.
You have no frame of reference for what it means or takes to be a mod author. Stop telling everyone what to do or what they should do. You aren't qualified.thefinn wrote: The difference being that the question for you is "Can I still get free stuff?" while the question for modders is "Is this a system I find reasonable to work with?"
The only saving grace to me was the thought that perhaps I should start putting together my feminine walk mod again to be paid for, or to be the free alternative to the other mod of its' kind. It actually made me think this (for the very small mods I have done) it was in fact my first thought.
So it can indeed instill the impetus in modders to mod.
However, the drawbacks of the current idea are awful.
It leaves the door open for game companies to make mods "steam only" in the future for benefits to the bottom line for instance.wulfharth wrote: The official paid DLC is Steam only. Why not the smaller not official but sanctioned DLC? We always have the Nexus if modders want to choose to throw up an donate button to not get pressed and give free work to the sweet and loving community.thefinn wrote: You're missing the point.
They can make the game so that when it runs it only allows mods that steam downloaded.
And they would be...
1) In their rights to do so.
2) getting more profits by doing so and they are corporations you know?Reaper0021 wrote: thefinn is right in that regard. IF THEY WANTED to be tyrannical about it that is.thefinn wrote: And when have you known corporations not to be ?
DRM itself had huge backlash at the time... but here it is still.Reaper0021 wrote: I agree with you thefinn. I'll tell you one that isn't and I defy you to say otherwise: CDProjekt Red. But in all aspects of this you're 100% right.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Wulf, your ad hominem aside, I'm not going to post my resume because it's irrelevant. Every person who bought Skyrim (they are called customers) have an absolute right to tell Bethesda what they think of their business practices. It doesn't matter if not a single one of those 133,000 people who signed the petition never wrote a mod, or has not done something YOU think "qualifies" them to giver their opinion. They still get to give it.
Of course Bethesda is under no obligation to listen to their customers. In this case they did. They probably also realized what a Hiroshima-type disaster this was, and if they were smart, fired the individual(s) responsible for this abortion of creativity.wulfharth wrote: If Bethesda wanted to be tyrants, they probably wouldn't have out of pocketed to provide and update the creation kit. And that's just for the PC gamers mind you. That is a special gift just to us that is more valuable than any 10 mods on here. You should feel loved and have more faith in them.wulfharth wrote: Vesuvius-You are Bethesda's customer. Not mine. I don't want your made up resume. All I know is that you haven't posted a single mod. You aren't a modder. Why are you telling us what we can do with our work? -
In response to post #24875184.I'm in agreement with mjmercer. I have over 200 mods...but am using I THINK at last LooT count was "172 Active." I'm going to donate for the ones that meet the following criteria for me:mjmercer wrote: I would like to think of myself as a typical Skyrim gamer. I've been playing since release. I have been a premium member for most of the time. I have downloaded many mods, most of which I don't end up using. For every 10 mods I download I use maybe 1 for some time.
I wouldn't mind paying for the ones I like and use. However I don't expect to pay for the ones that don't work on my system or that I just don't end up liking at all.
I don't mind paying BUT there has to be some sort of control on it. If I pay for it and 100 other people download from some remote site free it wont be long before I'll stop paying for them myself. I would have stopped playing Skyrin 2 years ago without the mods. It is not a polished game. It is OK but without mods I would have lost interest a long time ago.
So if they can figure out a way to charge for only the mods I like and can stop free access then I'm OK with some sort of fee.
Change the game in such a way that it makes me re-roll a new character to play.
Doesn't break my game or cause me tons of issues whether my own fault or the mod makers.
Is innovative and creative but retains the lore of The Elder Scrolls."
Is purely fun.
These mods I'll gladly give donations for as they have made my 2011 game a major staple of my library since.
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In response to post #24873139. #24874159, #24874314, #24874474, #24874519, #24874634, #24874639, #24874729, #24874774, #24874924, #24874984, #24875019, #24875044 are all replies on the same post.I agree with you thefinn. I'll tell you one that isn't and I defy you to say otherwise: CDProjekt Red. But in all aspects of this you're 100% right.thefinn wrote: I doubt they will drop this.
They will do more research than smoking some doobies in the coffee lounge at valve and saying "You know what would be cool ?" then we'll see something similar coming up again in the future.
There's way too much money involved for this to go away.
Personally, if they'd just add a "donate" button and not try to "sell mods" that might go down better.Vesuvius1745 wrote: With the next TES game, I could see them charging for the Creation Kit, and then setting it so you have to "share" your mods on a specific website they control, and then charging people a flat-access rate to the website.
Oh, and I can see them releasing the next TES game even more incomplete than Skyrim. Release a barebones game, make money off it, then let the modders finish your game, and make money off of that too. I bet I've just given some pencil pusher at Bethesda a 3-inch erection.wulfharth wrote: That's called an alpha release, and that happens everyday.
Bethesda has always tried hard to keep everyone happy (except with the exclusive DLC period releases). They just wanted to give people who make mods a chance to do it for a living. Shame on them for creating jobs and stimulating the mod community. They should all kill themselves. Right? Should I make a sign protest mod about them offering opportunity?
How do I block this guy? The option isn't at the bottom of his posts.wulfharth wrote: Ha! I found out where to do it, but I can't block you Vesuvius1745 because you've never contributed a mod, so you aren't listed as an author.
So why again do you feel you have the right to have an opinion on what actual mod contributor's are allowed to do with their mods? You aren't even one of us.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize the corporation known as Bethesda was being altruistic, and just wanted to stimulate the economy while at the same time giving amateur mod authors their Big Break. You're not only a glass-is-half-full kind of guy, you're a glass-is-half-full when it's actually empty kind of guy.
Instead of trying to make a buck off of mod authors, they should concentrate on making sure the next TES release is stable and complete. Yes, game companies are releasing their games earlier and earlier, and frankly, many gamers are sick of paying to Beta test unfinished products.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Good question, wulth. As someone who paid for Skyrim, I have the same right as the 133,000+ other people who signed the petition given to Bethesda telling them what we thought of this pay-for system.
I suspect the pencil pusher who came up with this idea is probably shaking in his boots. Wondering if he will have a job next month. Maybe he's even trolling these forums to test the waters, and not liking what he is seeing.thefinn wrote: Well I am a pretty harsh critic of games, I think Skyrim is one of the best I've played in years.
There might've been some bugs at launch, but few are the games you'll find without them and frankly with the size of Skyrim they are to be expected.
I don't see how it was "incomplete".wulfharth wrote: @Vesuvius-Instead of telling super successful multi-million dollar corporations with giant and loyal fan bases how to run their businesses, you should go try and make a dungeon or create and add a custom 3D model. I'm sure you'll change your tune very quickly.
You have no frame of reference for what it means or takes to be a mod author. Stop telling everyone what to do or what they should do. You aren't qualified.thefinn wrote: The difference being that the question for you is "Can I still get free stuff?" while the question for modders is "Is this a system I find reasonable to work with?"
The only saving grace to me was the thought that perhaps I should start putting together my feminine walk mod again to be paid for, or to be the free alternative to the other mod of its' kind. It actually made me think this (for the very small mods I have done) it was in fact my first thought.
So it can indeed instill the impetus in modders to mod.
However, the drawbacks of the current idea are awful.
It leaves the door open for game companies to make mods "steam only" in the future for benefits to the bottom line for instance.wulfharth wrote: The official paid DLC is Steam only. Why not the smaller not official but sanctioned DLC? We always have the Nexus if modders want to choose to throw up an donate button to not get pressed and give free work to the sweet and loving community.thefinn wrote: You're missing the point.
They can make the game so that when it runs it only allows mods that steam downloaded.
And they would be...
1) In their rights to do so.
2) getting more profits by doing so and they are corporations you know?Reaper0021 wrote: thefinn is right in that regard. IF THEY WANTED to be tyrannical about it that is.thefinn wrote: And when have you known corporations not to be ?
DRM itself had huge backlash at the time... but here it is still. -
In response to post #24873139. #24874159, #24874314, #24874474, #24874519, #24874634, #24874639, #24874729, #24874774, #24874924, #24874984 are all replies on the same post.thefinn is right in that regard. IF THEY WANTED to be tyrannical about it that is.thefinn wrote: I doubt they will drop this.
They will do more research than smoking some doobies in the coffee lounge at valve and saying "You know what would be cool ?" then we'll see something similar coming up again in the future.
There's way too much money involved for this to go away.
Personally, if they'd just add a "donate" button and not try to "sell mods" that might go down better.Vesuvius1745 wrote: With the next TES game, I could see them charging for the Creation Kit, and then setting it so you have to "share" your mods on a specific website they control, and then charging people a flat-access rate to the website.
Oh, and I can see them releasing the next TES game even more incomplete than Skyrim. Release a barebones game, make money off it, then let the modders finish your game, and make money off of that too. I bet I've just given some pencil pusher at Bethesda a 3-inch erection.wulfharth wrote: That's called an alpha release, and that happens everyday.
Bethesda has always tried hard to keep everyone happy (except with the exclusive DLC period releases). They just wanted to give people who make mods a chance to do it for a living. Shame on them for creating jobs and stimulating the mod community. They should all kill themselves. Right? Should I make a sign protest mod about them offering opportunity?
How do I block this guy? The option isn't at the bottom of his posts.wulfharth wrote: Ha! I found out where to do it, but I can't block you Vesuvius1745 because you've never contributed a mod, so you aren't listed as an author.
So why again do you feel you have the right to have an opinion on what actual mod contributor's are allowed to do with their mods? You aren't even one of us.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize the corporation known as Bethesda was being altruistic, and just wanted to stimulate the economy while at the same time giving amateur mod authors their Big Break. You're not only a glass-is-half-full kind of guy, you're a glass-is-half-full when it's actually empty kind of guy.
Instead of trying to make a buck off of mod authors, they should concentrate on making sure the next TES release is stable and complete. Yes, game companies are releasing their games earlier and earlier, and frankly, many gamers are sick of paying to Beta test unfinished products.Vesuvius1745 wrote: Good question, wulth. As someone who paid for Skyrim, I have the same right as the 133,000+ other people who signed the petition given to Bethesda telling them what we thought of this pay-for system.
I suspect the pencil pusher who came up with this idea is probably shaking in his boots. Wondering if he will have a job next month. Maybe he's even trolling these forums to test the waters, and not liking what he is seeing.thefinn wrote: Well I am a pretty harsh critic of games, I think Skyrim is one of the best I've played in years.
There might've been some bugs at launch, but few are the games you'll find without them and frankly with the size of Skyrim they are to be expected.
I don't see how it was "incomplete".wulfharth wrote: @Vesuvius-Instead of telling super successful multi-million dollar corporations with giant and loyal fan bases how to run their businesses, you should go try and make a dungeon or create and add a custom 3D model. I'm sure you'll change your tune very quickly.
You have no frame of reference for what it means or takes to be a mod author. Stop telling everyone what to do or what they should do. You aren't qualified.thefinn wrote: The difference being that the question for you is "Can I still get free stuff?" while the question for modders is "Is this a system I find reasonable to work with?"
The only saving grace to me was the thought that perhaps I should start putting together my feminine walk mod again to be paid for, or to be the free alternative to the other mod of its' kind. It actually made me think this (for the very small mods I have done) it was in fact my first thought.
So it can indeed instill the impetus in modders to mod.
However, the drawbacks of the current idea are awful.
It leaves the door open for game companies to make mods "steam only" in the future for benefits to the bottom line for instance.wulfharth wrote: The official paid DLC is Steam only. Why not the smaller not official but sanctioned DLC? We always have the Nexus if modders want to choose to throw up an donate button to not get pressed and give free work to the sweet and loving community.thefinn wrote: You're missing the point.
They can make the game so that when it runs it only allows mods that steam downloaded.
And they would be...
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This whole ordeal has infused me with more respect for Mod maker's as well as Mod users. As you can see I re-subbed my membership on the "Nexus" and am a Premium member. Now, I'm going through all 177 of my installed mods/enb's and starting to donate to authors what I can afford too. It will take me approx. 5 months to get them all squared away, but without mods and Robin and the mod authors and users AND the "Nexus"....games that I play would have been shelved/sold (my box copies of games like NWN 1 and 2, etc.)/deleted long ago. I've commented during this debate and mostly have met with intelligent members and counter points and people who are just down right mean and nasty and stuck in "Conspiracy Theories". It all made me sick trying to intelligently communicate the facts. I say we drop it all and just.....in the words of my favorite Vulcan "Live long and Prosper."
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Amen man. Well said. Tired of seeing the negativity.
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People seem to forget that while the Nexus has the Modder's here making mods for us, the community, many of us (myself included) are NOT mod makers but we ARE troubleshooters. I have an EXTENSIVE record on the "Claralux" forum and on several others (including "The Wilds ENB") of troubleshooting mods for users and authors (MGE, maker of Clarlux and several other mods, added me to friends and E-mails me w/e he can about life, etc. Good man David is). Now, why am I stating this? Because other friends of mine such as Phantompally, Startrooper, etc. have also donated HUNDREDS of hours and our time helping users and mod makers alike. So, not to toot my own horn but to clarify, as members of this community we have a voice as well. While I may not have made any mods, I can still fix them when they break and help others on installation, troubleshooting, etc. I see some posts where people are saying "well you don't make mods so your opinion doesn't count". WRONG!! It does.
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In response to post #24732359. #24732454, #24732714, #24732834, #24733099, #24733309 are all replies on the same post.COME ON Robin!!!! You spoke to "Gabe". Man of course you had something to do with it. You ARE the "Nexus". It's face it's spokesman. You're humble man and I love you for it but of course you did.Reaper0021 wrote:JCDNWarrior wrote: There was a massive war machine being prepared and pushed out from various anonymous sites throughout the days too, as well as the massive spreading of the information.
I very much doubt that Beth and Valve would've stopped if it wasn't for the absolutely massive resistance from modders, the community, and the gaming community as a whole.WightMage wrote: Damn right. They really didn't need to end the whole thing like they did. It's almost comparable to the end of the Cold War.Dark0ne wrote: I really don't think I had much to do with it at all.phantompally76 wrote: I would say 99% of that "war machine" was being completely ignored by Valve and Bethesda, since the vast majority of that "war machine" was unhinged sociopathic sycophants who were pasting ASCII genitalia all over the internet in protest.
Gopher saying "I want this to go away" on Youtube probably did more to change their mind than any of those petitions, subreddits, Steam Groups, or letters to individuals who will never see them.WightMage wrote: Humble much, Dark0ne? You got to speak with Lord GabeN himself, and he expressed as much how important he thought the Nexus was.
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In response to post #24731774. #24731829, #24732304, #24732414, #24732439, #24732464, #24732534 are all replies on the same post.NOT just you betting brother Mom has $2500.00 riding on this vs my paltry $300.00. Yeah and get Robin to come for some smoked Bar-B-Q and some good ole' moonshine. Of course he's a Brit so he may not like the hard stuff but he'll love the food.SerjoFoxly wrote:Dark0ne wrote: That time has passed, unfortunately. The friends I was due to go out with are returning tomorrow!jfisha wrote: Meet me in Kentucky for the horse races this weekend. Bourbon's on me :P I'll be the fat guy in the infield crying because I lost a bunch of money. I'm sure that'll help you find me.setiweb wrote: Would it be too soon to say I told you so?Reaper0021 wrote: I live in "Louisville" I'll be there as well drunk on Makers-Mark. We can all have a blast.WightMage wrote: I'm heading up north in a few months, if you to pay the Canucks a visit. :3jfisha wrote: We can have some victory shots, Reaper. Maybe that'll dull some of the pain from my failed betting.
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In response to post #24731774. #24731829, #24732304, #24732414 are all replies on the same post.I live in "Louisville" I'll be there as well drunk on Makers-Mark. We can all have a blast.SerjoFoxly wrote:Dark0ne wrote: That time has passed, unfortunately. The friends I was due to go out with are returning tomorrow!jfisha wrote: Meet me in Kentucky for the horse races this weekend. Bourbon's on me :P I'll be the fat guy in the infield crying because I lost a bunch of money. I'm sure that'll help you find me.setiweb wrote: Would it be too soon to say I told you so?
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Robin you're like the "Official" face of modding because of the "Nexus" sites. I believe it was you and this community that got to them over at Bethesda/STEAM. Not to mention "Forbes" did a great write-up on this whole debacle and the pro's-con's of what may/can happen. I hope this all gets sorted out very well for all involved.
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*SIGH* such a mess still. I'm all for modder's getting paid. I really am. I hope this works out in the end because after doing a bunch of research today, there are some possibilities here that I didn't think about before. such as "Older Games" getting mod-maker attention and being revitalized and revamped and brought back to life so to speak. I'm just wary of big business and this '75%' cut is insane compared to the work some mod makers have put into their mods, not to mention the time some community members have put in helping people trouble shoot these mods as well on forum posts. I hope this all works out in the end....but I remain wary of it.
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In response to post #24699154. #24699914, #24700424, #24700529, #24700669, #24700794, #24700844, #24700949, #24701494, #24701854, #24702124, #24702184, #24702309, #24702704 are all replies on the same post.Chesko...your mods are ESSENTIAL for me to even begin to touch Skyrim. Period. That's what hurt me the most was seeing my favorite modder over at STEAM. In my eyes you're forgiven. Period. We all make mistakes. You have to remember too a lot of the 'flack' you were getting was from kids as well so they usually lash out 1st with the words of hate then when adults or rather those more 'mature' try to communicate with you it seems like the whole world is closing in around you. You apologized like a man, you're forgiven in my eyes.Chesko wrote:popcorn71 wrote: So your just going to leave and pretend none of this ever happened? I feel bad for you. I really do. But the way I see things, you have a responsibility to help fix this mess that you are, how ever unwittingly, impart responsible for. I think you'll find that if you really try to make amends people will be surprisingly willing to forgive you and even rally around and defend you. This is a community after all.Fowldragon wrote: OMFG...Even if you're his DADDY, you got no right to expect a thing from this man. The man tapped out...its time to release the hold.anonownsyou wrote: I love you Chesko, I really don't get to say that enough. Hang in there, despite the way the wind may be blowing, you're among friends.WightMage wrote: You're a good man for coming back to apologize to Robin, Chesko. Not many people would swallow their pride like that- not in this industry, and most certainly not on the internet.
I'm sure that all will be forgiven in time, from the rest of us modders, but you should enjoy your time away. Think of it more as an extended vacation than self exile. ;)
Best.popcorn71 wrote: @ Fowldragon
Oh, yes I do have a right to expect him to fix his mistakes. And you do too.
He did an enormous amount of damage by not thinking his actions through. But that wasn't my point. As some one who has personal experienced how these things can turn out, Chesko is in a somewhat unique position to rally the community and actually make a difference. If he has even a shred of decency, he will work to ensure no one else goes through what he has.sunshinenbrick wrote: I do not know you personally at all but as a community member, and it just puzzles me as to why you would go on about how you look so fondly on it as family member while you are being abused by the people you are going to be working for.
And there was me spending my weekend working on ways in which I may help this community fight for mod creator protection.
I hope you stand up for other modders so they do not get treated the way you have been.
Sorry to be so rude.
EDIT: I realise this is not Chesko's fault. It's just it really feels like their is a fight for our survival... or maybe relevance. I am not a social media buff but I have been glued to a chat room the past two days.
I can conceed that he is an older member who contributes a great deal more than I, but I really hope that Nexus stays a part of the picture and being some one of such influence maybe that can make a difference for us "little folk"WightMage wrote: The abuse he's receiving does not preclude him from remembering the years of good that he experienced working here. And Chesko has been around awhile- longer than both of us, I imagine.
It's hard to let go when you have that kind of attachment.popcorn71 wrote: Part of the reason he has been abused so badly is because he was so well respected. he was probably one for the last people I would have expected to go off and do something so collosaly stupid as what he did and he has payed dearly for it. You know the old saying: "the bigger they are, the harder they fall"? Well, case and point.
Believe me, I have an enormous amount of respect for Chesko. I took the time to dig through the scripts of Frostfall and figure out how it works. That mods a friken work of art. But just because I respect him doesn't mean I'm willing to give him a free pass.WightMage wrote: No one is beyond reproach, but I believe Chesko can be forgiven in time. He's only human, after all.Fowldragon wrote: @Popcorn
I get what you're saying...I mean really. But I am reading all of this and remembering reading Dark0ne's earlier blogs that he quoted. This might well have been something anticipated, but it was sprung in a moment...and likely as not it was purposeful in that respect...
Getting Dark' and Chesko to be at odds...getting veteran modders to speak of betrayal and question character...HELL that's just Icing on their Cake.diyeath wrote: That's pretty mature of you to come here and say that. I'm sorry you ended up on the recieving end of so much abuse. I hope you don't take those crazies who were threatening you as the normal, they're the vocal minority.
I encourage you to come back to nexus, at this point everyone knows what happened and I think I can safely speak for most other mature members when I say I understand your position and not being used to that kind of flak. As far as I'm concerned its all water under the bridge.
In any case, regardless of what you decide I hope things are better for you now. Take care!popcorn71 wrote: @ Fowldragon
Don't I know it. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. At this point you'd have to be out of your mind bat s#*! craze to put your mod up for sale on the workshop. And the worst part is some prominent moders are doing just that. Can any one say SkyUi?UberSmaug wrote: Chesko as I see it you are the victim of bad advice. Whoever told you that if mod A needs mod B to work and mod A is paid for but mod B is free doesn't matter bears the most of the blame. Of course that matters. You got crucified for it unjustly. This was bound to happen to someone I'm sorry it was you. My heart goes out to you and I understand completely why you want to hide out for a bit. I hope you come back to us if and when you are ready. Cheers Mate. -
In response to post #24662939. #24663289, #24663764 are all replies on the same post.I'm leaning a bit towards Phantom on some things but not on others. I BELIEVE Dark0ne will keep this site always as intended...100% free. Donations only never a "Pay to Play" model.bloodenraged wrote:x9fallen wrote: Basically, yes. There is apparently an option through the steam workshop to defer 5% of Valve's cut to the Nexus, but I cannot see implementation of a pay-mod system here. You'll still have the ability to donate (for those authors who have that option as well as to the site itself) but no storefront. The Nexus will live on!phantompally76 wrote: It's really hard to say. I'm having a hard time believing any of these guys at this point.
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In response to post #24649629. #24649794, #24661994, #24662504, #24662624 are all replies on the same post.All rumors started by people a bit paranoid. No such thing will see the light of day. There is a site on the internet where they are gathering the facts from the fiction and sorting them out. Also, there was another rumor about how the STEAM workshop was going to lock your game if you bought a mod from there and then didn't have it set to load, it would lock your game preventing you from playing.keithapple wrote:keithapple wrote: sorry for the typo, i mean there's a rumor about Steam updating Skyrim and other games to lock down the game content to not allow external files (including mods) to be integrated to their games... please tell me that this isn't true...locomotive1236 wrote: Not sure how that'll work with Mod Organizer considering it uses an external location to store all your mods for the game. The workshop can verify what's inside the Data folder, but MO does not put them there.DreadArkive wrote: I'm pretty sure they'd have a lawsuit on their hands if they removed a key feature they promised in the game. Look at what happened with Mass Effect 3 not meeting it's promises.hector530 wrote: this rumor mill people are starting has made this paid workshop much MUCH worse.
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You will see ;)bigdeano89 wrote: Way to sound like an entitled 12 year old man. Dark0ne has been honest from the start. Good luck trying to find another site btw, all the others are either gone or ALSO took the service provider option. That includes AFKmods etc.
Dark0ne is not the only site to do that, so stop making them out to be the bad guys. Nexus has been around for years giving mod authors FREE space for mods big and small.Dark0ne wrote:As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding communityThis post wwll be deleted in...3...2...1...
Why would I delete it? It's a perfect example of the people who don't actually read what I write and, in the process, make themselves look stupid.SchwererGustav wrote: Because 2 of my comments got delleted befor...
The 1st was a bit aggressive the 2nd not at all.rotwhip wrote: ooooh someone is angry.Psijonica wrote: I read what you wrote and I can only giggle that you have lowered yourself to calling me "stupid" LoL
You can fool all the kids here but anyone with real business and life experience sees right through you.
If I am stupid because I don't take your words at face value then so be it... I am a stupid person who drives a Super Snake and I am laughing at how stupid you may think I am.
Basically you are still supporting Pay-for-Mods just that you are calling it by a different name. Many modders like Emma (I guess you think she is stup[id too now eh? Remember her, yoiur old friend who helped you with your uploaded system all thiose years ago?) also believe that this is wrong in every aspect... but I guess we are just stupid.
I can't really tell youwhat I think of you because hey, I'm in an unfair possition where you are able to swing insults but I can't.
Congratulations! *Applause*benissugger wrote: he said you "make yourself[es] look stupid", not "you are stupid".JoeyLock wrote: So basically Psijonica, you're saying "Stop asking me for money! Dark0ne just pay the $500,000 to run this community per year and deal with it!" yes? Think about that statement, Endorsements, Permissions and Donations are the very things that keep this community and these mods afloat, if you want 100% free mods, make them all yourself and pay for the site to upload them on.twhelan wrote: We must excuse those who cannot understand the context of a single sentence.WightMage wrote: What does Emma, creator of Vilja, have anything to do with this?Dark0ne wrote: You started with, in response to my article:As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community
I've already written:If people are heralding me, specifically, as their champion in the fight against paid modding then they've done that of their own accord, and I certainly haven't agreed to be that champion....Does this sound like a champion of modding being free everywhere? No, it does not. Do not use me as the poster-child for that campaign as I never said I was.
So you either didn't read it, or you read it, and then decided to say I was painting myself as the "saviour of the free modding community" when I've specifically said I neither am or want to have that title. So yes, you look stupid. Even more so, now.HadToRegister wrote:Psijonica
Am I going to close all my account? No, not yet. But as soon as there is an alternative choice you can bet I will choose it.
I'm sure that threatening to close your FREE Nexus account that you pay NOTHING for, has most of the people at The Nexus quaking in their boots.seversky wrote: Psijonica, you are an incredibly spoiled little child. Go away please. Don't come back.phantompally76 wrote: I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.
Quite the opposite, actually.
And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.
You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.
And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.Reaper0021 wrote: There is no "Bigger Deal". All of it was blatantly obvious, in the open and known by those of us that bothered to read it. These attacks are starting to get pretty damn pathetic. There was/is no conspiracy nor big deals made that have betrayed anyone.TKHBMVP wrote: From my community experiences in the early 90ies until now on several forums and when usnet newsgroups support forums started remembering from the past, nothing has changed so far with the participants and their communication habbits ;-) It is still the same.
But when I read across all of this thread I'm happy that a lot of people making up their mind on this topic and thinking about the different point of views of the involved people.
Finally this proved that Nexus has a great audience and value modders and members sharing a most valuable content.Psijonica wrote: YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA ;D The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.
I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?
*SIGH* Look at his last words, "That is what I will fight. That is what I will champion against." and tell me that he is not proclaiming himself as the white knight LoL
and to those of you who say he is not making money, please who are you fooling... he is raking it in and he is only here instead of on vacation trying to protect his money.joeriz9 wrote: Keep it up kiddo, Good way to get yourself banned by not reading anything that has actually been said.Reaper0021 wrote: Why are you even posting Psijonica? I mean what's the point you're trying to make beyond just annoying the staff? He was transparent about this whole thing to begin with. There is no hidden agenda. It was publicly posted and I read it before it was brought up by a member who found it the same way I did: Just looked and it was there. It wasn't 'hidden' and wasn't an attempt to be deceptive.locomotive1236 wrote: "YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.
I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?"
If you consider that bullying, I'm not sure what world you live in. As I understand it from his posts, he's staying neutral at the moment because he understands both sides. I also do not see any point of arguing with someone who is incapable of see things from only one perspective and have such a fragile self-esteem.MCato wrote: "As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community you are not fooling me"
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Please show me any of your mods, even the smallest. Then I'll take your words seriouslyHadToRegister wrote:Psijonica
YaY! You called me stupid twice!
Actually, no he didn't, what you HAVE done though, is shown that twice now, you lack any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, which also explains why you have the whole Valve/Nexus thing so wrong.
Because you read and then interpret everything the way you WANT it to be, rather than the way it actually IS, facts be damned.SchwererGustav wrote: It's a joke really , anybody with a brain can see were this is going and it is definitely not going to be good for modders who do it for the love of modding and not for the shekkels.
The corps and shareholders will love this news, alot of people (with alot of money) will make a quick buck and leave the modding community in the dirt.
But who are we to judge we don't have a shitload of servers that the community payd for...Reaper0021 wrote: Had is right. Your a stone-headed kid that's got a conspiracy theory to play with and I'll be damned if your immature ass isn't going to play with it. You just refuse to read and comprehend what's written or you see ulterior motives abounding in everything people say and do.sunshinenbrick wrote: I hope I don't regret bringing this point up. We are entitled to opinions are we not? And we are allowed to doubt what people say at face value, are we not? That is part of a community and it does not help to throw insults at one another, even if it's understandable as we all have a lot of passion about modding.gingersnapples wrote: you sir are a clever troll, or wear lead-lined hats on a daily basis. can't decide which.
oh well. time ever flows onward, and this, too, shall pass.ZeroKing wrote: Yeah! Community effort, guys! We get stuff for free, we'll give no support for the effort here, and we demand retribution for what the site owner believes in because he has to pay for the servers..... oh wait.
I forgot about the $500,000 annual server cost that most of us contribute next to nothing for. Yeah, reality sucks, eh?Reaper0021 wrote: Yes your opinions are indeed welcome. This person isn't stating an "Opinion" this person has taken facts, mixed them up into his/her own little theory, and is attacking Dark0ne. Best if you don't get involved in it as you too seem to not know whats going on either. ****I'm giving you Kudos Zero cause I haven't seen you in so long.Psijonica wrote: No reaper he has not been honest at all. When explain your self and leave out certain elements then that is being dishonest.
Let's face it, the reason he is saying is is neutral is because he is afraid to actually state his position. Wishy washy... and because I have an opposite opinion of how he has handled this now everybody trolls me. LoL Like I care. I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.
I believer he has lied, I believe he is not being honest and I don't trust his so called good intentions.
I can not believe for the life of me what is happening and you know what, if this goes through then this whole generation deserves SOPA and all the other corporations to come in take over the internet.
Of course I say that with tongue in cheek but I have been fighting the machine my whole life and I am getting tired... this really makes me not want to care any more and just let the children work it out themselves.
Pay-for-mods is the absolute worst thing that can happen and it is pretty much a done deal.
If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?ZeroKing wrote: PhD in biomedical engineering, have a wife and 6 children. Disabled from the waist down, and still work across 17 countries annually.
Doesn't pay Robin's server bills with my personal morals and my credentials, does it?Reaper0021 wrote: "Pay for mods" is a bad idea. I'm 44, own 4 houses (live in one rent the others 3 small houses to help my disability) and have 1 child...no wife. And? The make-up of my family or my residence doesn't validate my words any more than it does yours. He isn't betraying us. It was always there to see...I know I read it. I'm sorry this has all happened to turn this community on it's damned head. I've seen you posting in forums before and you are one smart guy. You really are. I've enjoyed your input in the past and it's hard for me to see you being this willfully stubborn.sunshinenbrick wrote: Ha, thank you... I think :/ I have never considered myself a troll (only learnt what it was a couple of year ago...) being a bit of old fashioned.
I just think it can be unwise to just use the arguement that "it's just the way it is". But I also think there can be constructive ways to talk about this. As in trying to organise a way of reducing this "slippery slope" that has been mentioned a number of times. And I wanted to suggest that getting hissy with each other is not going to help... perhaps that what was predicted to happen??benjaminpen wrote: Are you drunk? No, seriously... Are you? You seem a little incoherent to me.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I see no conflict between the following two statements:
"I WILL NOT fight someone's right to charge for mods on ANOTHER site. It is NOT okay to charge for mods on THIS site."
"I WILL fight anyone who says I don't have the right to NOT CHARGE for mods on MY site."
And no, I don't think that mod authors being able to donate some of the money being made to the Nexus is a conflict either.
edit: He didn't get the money from the modders' cut, he got it from Valve's cut.Reaper0021 wrote: Your right Sunshine maybe that's what I needed to calm down was an impartial 3rd to say something. Yeah I'm going to let this rest for now. Try again tomorrow I think. Peace to you all and Kudos to Sunshinenbrick.HadToRegister wrote:
Psijonica
I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.
Yet here you are, complaining about seeing advertisements on your FREE account.
If you actually HAD all of that stuff, and were mature, you wouldn't need to list ANY of that, as it has NOTHING to do with your conspiracy theory.
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If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?
Hey, let's see you contribute to the $500,000 annual upkeep for the nexus THAT YOU USE FOR FREE.
You're using a website for FREE and demanding that someone else PAY for something that has already been explained, that all of us adults were able to comprehend quite clearly on our first read-through of Robin's article.
At this point, I can only chalk up your incomprehension of Robin's explanation as, you're either Drunk, or you're now too emotionally invested in this to save face and back out out gracefully by apologizing.
At this point, you're in a hole so deep, and refuse to see it, that if someone threw you a ladder, you'd start digging with it.sunshinenbrick wrote: Thanks :D Yeah I really hope that dialogues between parties can be kept open so that they can mutually benefit each other. I know that sounds a bit soppy but I suppose (more movie taglines coming up) we do need to have some hope here... not easy I know but its that or dispair!Psijonica wrote: Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?
i am not being stubborn, I am standing up for what I believe in. There is a difference. Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods. Either way it doesn't hurt him. Right now we are downloading every mod we can because I know that all the mods for Oblivion will soon be pay- for -mod, all the Morrowind mods will be Pay-for-mod...
THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense. Now all these modders are going to cry about SOPA??? hahahaha You deserve SOPA now!monkeyweather wrote: Thanks for keeping this whole thing civil to the best of your abilities, and for keeping everyone in the loop as much as you can.SchwererGustav wrote: well i helped people to get their modded skyrim to run for 2 month in the forum after that i thought i payed back what i downloaded here.
and this is the only website i had my addblocker off, too(you know how every other site makes money).
I'm not rich and Psijonica isn't eather i guess so we take that little fun we have left in our lives,
freedom, creativity and helping other people thats what i thought was this side about, but now they sell out and take that last piece of choice that makes us burst out in anger.. can't you people understand this?
This deal will mark the beginning of the end off modding, the last bastion of freedom that was left...Pestilenz wrote: Yeah the community paid for the servers, by either choosing to get premium either because they had money to spare, wanted to help or wanted the extra features or by "gob beware" using the site and downloading mods, I feel so abused shame one you Dark0ne.sunshinenbrick wrote: I totally understand what you mean by paying for things through other means than money (creativity, support, non-financial contribution) however I do hope that sometimes it is best to take down things you don't agree with from within. This is to say that although I cannot speak for the site owner nor do I know, or ever talked to him, but he has stated his position and we should try give him some benefit of the doubt because there are things that can be safeguarded against.
Suppose time will tell but it is somewhat comforting to know that the players at hand here do see the value of the community here. Admittedly it might be money orientated, however we can have the chance to show them there is more to modding than that. Then maybe they will see that suffocating all aspects of the free community will stifle creativity. I hope. And we can start by using donation systems. But that's money I hear you say??? Yes but it is important HOW you give money and WHO you give it to.HadToRegister wrote:Psijonica
Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?
I'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.
Psijonica
Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods
HE ONLY BENEFITS.......ONLY, if someone CHECKS THE BOX that says "Send 5% of the earning for this mod to the Nexus", there are also checkboxes to send 5% to the makers of NifSKope and Blender as well.
Why aren't you complaining about those two things possibly getting 5% whenever someone checks the box for them to receive 5% of the income?
If a modder DOESN'T check that box for The NEXUS, or NifSkope etc then the Nexus and NifSkope etc get NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING, is sent to the Nexus, NOTHING....
Do you UNDERSTAND IT YET?
The Nexus isn't getting a cut of any mods being sold on SteamWorks UNLESS THE MOD AUTHOR CHECKS THE BOX to let the Nexus have 5% of the sales as a "Thank You"
Psijonica
THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense.
It's still "Free and Fun" (especially for YOU Ms. "Free Nexus Account" ), however, you're directing your anger at the wrong personTanniss wrote: actually he is getting money from the community unless he is independantly wealthy or paying his creditors with air he gets his money from ad's that we help support by not having ad block on and by the memberships that people pay for as well as donations from the communityTanniss wrote: which can and will be used later on down the road to take away any credibility on darkones part if he decides to stop fence sitting and pick the side of being afraid free modding is going to disappear by saying hey why you bitching now when you had no problem taking donations from our (valves ) cut instead of the modders giving a cut to nexus for this site being such a great place to find tools and free mods
I am surprised that no one sees this because its buying him even if he or us dont think so because at the end of the day if you take money from those who are trying to take and run a monopoly no matter the small % given you are still silently supporting the endeavor they are trying to force down everyone elses throat
and mind you im not being a troll nor am i stupid and if some feel the need to toss insults towards me so be it bottom line is when you take money for something that you think is more than likely going to be inherently wrong that makes your arguments a little less weightyPsijonica wrote: HadToRegister
Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?
You keep on trying to goat me with your pathetic attempts in arguing with me but I have been ignoring you. You are a troll and your continued attempts into drawing me into a flame war will fail.
You failed :)Reaper0021 wrote: See you made a good point and did it in such a way that doesn't speak of "Conspiracy Theories" running rampant. No your not stupid at all and you do make good points. The 'other' person on this thread is on an obvious witch hunt. Big difference. I shouldn't have to point that out to you.Psijonica wrote: Thanks monkeyweather, it has not been easy to keep things civil especially when the owner of the site comes and trolls my post effectively giving permission for everybody else to do the same. Shame on him for that.
I read all his posts and his reddits and although he tries to pretend to pin Gabe down on the DRM issue he himself doesn't even make public his own position on Pay-for-Mods.
This is why I don't trust him. I deal with politicians for a living, I am well tuned to the BS station.Reaper0021 wrote: NOBODY cares you are a Lesbian with a chip on her shoulder. Nobody cares about your sexual orientation. Period. None of us. Nobody has said anything except, after you felt the need to back-up your arguments with telling us how you own a home and your kids are responsible and your married and whatnot, all anybody has said was "Good for you and hope your happy. And my religious beliefs fly contrary to your chosen lifestyle...but do you hear me saying anything? No. Good. Nobody is going to be baited into a "Gay and Lesbian" tirade debate with you so you have yet even MORE to gripe about along with what you're already doing.phantompally76 wrote: you're, not your.Reaper0021 wrote: you're, not your.
It's late and i don't care. The point is made but ty anyway.Kusumura wrote:I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.
Quite the opposite, actually.
And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.
You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.
And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.
- From phantompally76
Oh, God. Please, let's not have this become #skyrimgate2015...
EDIT: Fixed up the quote.HadToRegister wrote:
Psijonica
Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?
No problem at all, I have gay and lesbian friends, and, as I said in my post.
[i'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.]
Now, you've definitely got some MAJOR reading comprehension problems if you are somehow getting that I have a problem with the LGBT community with my comment.
At this point, I'll just chalk it up to you either have some type of reading comprehension problem, or are just belligerent and looking to fight about EVERYTHING.
Anyway, I'm completely fed up with you, because you aren't even participating in the discussion anymore, and instead are acting like a belligerent party-goer who has had a few too many drinks, and wants to try and turn EVERYTHING into a fightRullnick wrote: Your mistake is thinking that he can only be on ONE side of the issue, Either he's FOR paid mods or He's AGAINST them. When in reality he's neither, he's neutral because the paid mods aren't the deciding thing here.
He said he isn't a champion white-knight for free mods, and he said he isn't a money-hungry demon from hell. He just wants mods to be free and open when the mod creators want them to be. Why are you so goddamn narrow-sighted? If you read the post you would see you're exactly the kind of people he is talking about.
By the way, people disagreeing with you isn't "trolling". It's just you being unable to take f*#@ing criticism.Reaper0021 wrote: I agree the whole "Lesbian" thing is this.....person just trying to bait us into a fight and make it look as if we have issues with her ilk. Don't be fooled into any type of debate. I'm going to go play some Attila at any rate online, so peace to you all. I'm done with this nightmare of a woman and her continued inability to basically 'comprehend' that which has been made clear time and time again.RaskorGaming wrote: "Endorsements given: 279"
Oh, really?iloveyoupurples wrote: Everyone has an opinion, here's mine. I agree with you about half way. The mod users, get the fair deal. We get free mods. We have a place to get them, a place to install them. A place to discuss it. I take issue on behalf of the authors. Nexus is a business. Nexus is owned by a person. Said person makes a nice bloated salary. Such is business. As a consumer I'm getting the best deal period. Free mods. We come here to get mods. We view adds. We pay for premium accounts so it doesn't take 30 years to download a mod. No big deal. These mod authors make mods. Robin makes a tidy profit because we come to get them. Mod authors are given nothing. Robin pays for xyz. Cool. Robin makes a bloated profit from the investment. Mod authors get nothing. We don't come to view the adds. Or add to his cooperate portfolio. We come for mods. He gets paid because of it. Mod authors get nothing. Blah blah blah he pays xyz. Cool. Is it suddenly non profit? I had no issue knowing all this before valve decided to sell mods off the backs of their authors. I take issue now because it's hypocritical for him to say anything considering we come here for free mods WHILE MOD AUTHORS GET NOTHING. Then raise the banner of MODZFREEFROEVARRRR etc. If I were you I'd have kept my mouth shut on my opinion. It's hypocritical. You profit off the mod authors just like valve is trying to. So I agree with Psijonica to a degree. Yeah, you made a good business decision making a website and shored up a tidy residual sum for yourself. Problem I have is you wave a flag as if you're non profit. Mod authors are getting shafted. Period. I wish I could afford to donate to every mod I use, sadly I can't. Still From now on, when I have an extra dollar on my meager salary I'm buying a good author a coffee. Sorry authors I should have decided to donate sooner.Psijonica wrote:
75 mods have been hidden on the Nexus because the mod makers are scared that people are going to steal their assets, some people are talking about taking down any tips they've given out because people are going to steal them to make a profit. We're already seeing the lose part of the paywall when the community closed down and people are too paranoid to share their resources. We've already seen assets being stolen, lazy and unfinished mods being sold and one person putting out a free version with an annoying pop up.
The shadowscale armor is one item, clips with numerous races, you have to use the console to get it.
Chesko and Isoku used assets they had no right to use when they sold their mods and are now getting DMCA'd
Midas Magic put a annoying pop-up on the free version for a paid version that isn't anymore polished or improved.
Right now, literally this thread, is a example of the community getting split and damaged. Everyone is losing besides Valve and Bethesda, no one in this thread is winning under the current model.
@ HadToRegister
if you continue to pester me I will just have to report you. I am not even talking to you or even paying attention to what you are writing. Please leave me alone.
@ Reaper0021
i am not sure what your problem is. One post you are saying I am smart and the next you are accusing me of trying to bait you into an argument. Take it easy, you seem to be losing control of your self. if you are actually getting upset then the problem lies between your own ears. You posted that you were and adult in your 40's? No way. People in their 40's don't act like this. At this point you give me reason to ask that you please, please just leave me be. Ty.
No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% free mods 4-ever.
"The spirit of modding is sharing. In order to grow in quality rather than in quantity, modding has to be a labour of love, not a labour for money." - EmmaReaper0021 wrote: iloveyoupurples now this is how you make a point. This post right here.Reaper0021 wrote: In your past posts....you have been great. I said that and asked you "Why" you're all over the place right now/tonight? DON'T try to blame me for your woes or act as if I'm doing you harm. You've done that all on your own tonight. You deliberately played your "Lesbian" card in such a manner as to warrant caution cause you seem to be looking for a fight. You deliberately attempted to bait HadToRegister into a "do you have something against Lesbian/Gay's" argument. All here can see it and all here have said as much (about how you've maybe bee ndrinking tonight cause you say one thing then contradict yourself saying another without ANY thought of what you're saying".Psijonica wrote: Ya so what. Leave me alone. I was just giving him a little taste of his own medicine.
What does that have to do with you? Right! Nothing. Now go pester someone else. You want to pay for mods, go ahead. I don't care about you. You are not even a modder. I have released mods, only one here but I have mods on other forums. so I am asking you politely...; if you are the adult that you claim then please respect my wishes and stop already. I am not talking to you any more. If you are the adult you claim to be then please act like it now.Reaper0021 wrote: Yep far more of it than you. Sure it's stopped no sweat lay off of myself and HadToRegister. For GOOD.Psijonica wrote: @ iloveyoupurples
You see, that is how this whole issue started. Donations is the problem. Once Bethesda saw that people were making many off of their product that had no choice but to protect themselves.
They gave us the CS (construction set) for free and allowed and trusted us to mod as a hobby. But we abused that trust and turned it into a business. And so now Big Daddy Bethesda is coming and punishing us by saying , "you want to sell your mods, fine. But now we control everything and we want our cut."
Greedy modders. You deserve this. I hope they steal your mods and take everything. Because of this the entire community spirit has be poisoned.
No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% free mods 4-ever.
"The spirit of modding is sharing. In order to grow in quality rather than in quantity, modding has to be a labour of love, not a labour for money." - Emmahector530 wrote: you keep trying VERY hard to play the victim. "Dark0ne is trolling me!!!!" "im being bullied"
"i am not being stubborn, I am standing up for what I believe in."
yes you are, you will believe what you believe in no matter what is said and shown against it. the true beauty of a conspiracy theorist is that proof against the conspiracy is only proof of a conspiracy.Wolvenlight wrote: @Psijonica
To be honest, I was never for the Grey Manes or the Battle Borns. I was never for the Imperials or the Stormcloaks. If Skyrim taught me anything, it's that people who tell you that you absolutely have to pick a side are wrong, and will bore you to death. In that order.
So when Dark0ne says he's neutral, I believe him. I've read his posts, he's never come out against pay4mods, he's only expressed concern about potential issues that could arise from them. He is not taking any modders cuts, and he's not forcing anyone to pay for him, he's merely opted into a voluntary system to help improve the site. If such a time comes when he decides to start charging for access to this site, or allowing mods to make their mods pay for only, then you will have evidence for your claims.
Claims you have made a lot of. You say he wants to be a champion for free mods, but he never claimed that. You state he's angry he didn't get a bigger cut of Valve's profits, but you have no evidence for this claim. You claim he is a troll merely because he pointed out an illogical inconsistency in your argument (in a minor, kind of sort of rude way, which I get and see it as the mistake it was, if only because you'd continue bringing it up.) You claim other people are trolling you when they merely disagree with you. You claim to have fought for this site and free modding, yet you aren't a contributor (neither am I, but I understand this place wouldn't be here without them.) You even claim to be standing up for what you believe in.
There is a difference between standing up for your beliefs and flinging accusations about without proper evidence. You want to question his motives? That's fine, I question the funds of scientific studies all the time, but I always read the study, take in the evidence, and mull it over to see if their are any actual flaws before accusing the study of being a shill for a corporate interest. Forgive me for saying so, but you sound like a religious doomsayer the way you talk. Or like you're a conservative who really hates anything to do with democrats.
If you apply the same argument to yourself as you have to others, then you have called people debating actual points with you "pathetic," just like the guy who "called you stupid." There is nothing troll about people merely disagreeing with you in the same tone you have disagreed with others. If you want to be taken seriously, then debate facts in a clear, respectful manner. If not, have fun with your free nexus account.
While it lasts. Or something.x9fallen wrote: "This used to be free and fun". And what contributions have you made to the modding community?
Also, it was never free. Hosting files and allowing traffic to and from has a very real cost associated with it. If you don't like the price you have to pay (seeing an ad or two or seeing an option to go premium), don't pay it. See if you can find a community that allows file hosting/download with no cost that you can contribute nothing to. There isn't one. Which is why you'll stay here and continue to whine.
You've offered nothing of substance to the discussion. Your main complaints are that, although facts have been laid out, the author is still trying to deceive the community. You've also inferred the author has called you stupid twice, which is objectively false. -
In response to post #24658179. #24658299, #24658339, #24658454 are all replies on the same post.You do have a voice. An equal voice and no mistake about it. Just right now with all the "Conspiracy Theories" running rampant about Robin (Dark0ne) it's hard to make a rational argument when most of the people you're trying to talk to are self-entitled kids.nekollx wrote:Reaper0021 wrote: You're fine she is pissed at me, Dark0ne, HadToRegister, Life, etc. Ignore her. She has been at it all night with people. Many people.sunshinenbrick wrote: I agree... I haven't commented much on these general forums before but have been called a troll just for trying to contribute to the debate, something I really care about. This makes me feel frustrated as I paid for a membership in the real belief that it meant I had at least a fair share of the voice of the community.WightMage wrote: You certainly do! But you have to remember, some people don't care about anyone else's voice but their own... :/
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You're fine she is pissed at me, Dark0ne, HadToRegister, Life, etc. Ignore her. She has been at it all night with people. Many people.
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In response to post #24646984. #24647104, #24647439, #24647524, #24647569, #24647954, #24648029, #24648264, #24648309, #24648414, #24648504, #24648519, #24648809, #24649619, #24650179, #24650239, #24650354, #24651039, #24651229, #24651294, #24651314, #24651324, #24651364, #24651429, #24651469, #24651679, #24651784, #24651844, #24651864, #24651949, #24652074, #24652084, #24652114, #24652274, #24652374, #24652484, #24652614, #24652634, #24652709, #24652984, #24652989, #24653374, #24654079, #24654169, #24654569, #24654739, #24654814, #24654864, #24654924, #24654954, #24655019, #24655324, #24655564, #24655599, #24655739, #24656204, #24656864, #24657599, #24657739, #24657834, #24658089 are all replies on the same post.Yep far more of it than you. Sure it's stopped no sweat lay off of myself and HadToRegister. For GOOD.Psijonica wrote:SchwererGustav wrote: This post wwll be deleted in...3...2...1...
You will see ;)bigdeano89 wrote: Way to sound like an entitled 12 year old man. Dark0ne has been honest from the start. Good luck trying to find another site btw, all the others are either gone or ALSO took the service provider option. That includes AFKmods etc.
Dark0ne is not the only site to do that, so stop making them out to be the bad guys. Nexus has been around for years giving mod authors FREE space for mods big and small.Dark0ne wrote:As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding communityThis post wwll be deleted in...3...2...1...
Why would I delete it? It's a perfect example of the people who don't actually read what I write and, in the process, make themselves look stupid.SchwererGustav wrote: Because 2 of my comments got delleted befor...
The 1st was a bit aggressive the 2nd not at all.rotwhip wrote: ooooh someone is angry.Psijonica wrote: I read what you wrote and I can only giggle that you have lowered yourself to calling me "stupid" LoL
You can fool all the kids here but anyone with real business and life experience sees right through you.
If I am stupid because I don't take your words at face value then so be it... I am a stupid person who drives a Super Snake and I am laughing at how stupid you may think I am.
Basically you are still supporting Pay-for-Mods just that you are calling it by a different name. Many modders like Emma (I guess you think she is stup[id too now eh? Remember her, yoiur old friend who helped you with your uploaded system all thiose years ago?) also believe that this is wrong in every aspect... but I guess we are just stupid.
I can't really tell youwhat I think of you because hey, I'm in an unfair possition where you are able to swing insults but I can't.
Congratulations! *Applause*benissugger wrote: he said you "make yourself[es] look stupid", not "you are stupid".JoeyLock wrote: So basically Psijonica, you're saying "Stop asking me for money! Dark0ne just pay the $500,000 to run this community per year and deal with it!" yes? Think about that statement, Endorsements, Permissions and Donations are the very things that keep this community and these mods afloat, if you want 100% free mods, make them all yourself and pay for the site to upload them on.twhelan wrote: We must excuse those who cannot understand the context of a single sentence.WightMage wrote: What does Emma, creator of Vilja, have anything to do with this?Dark0ne wrote: You started with, in response to my article:As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community
I've already written:If people are heralding me, specifically, as their champion in the fight against paid modding then they've done that of their own accord, and I certainly haven't agreed to be that champion....Does this sound like a champion of modding being free everywhere? No, it does not. Do not use me as the poster-child for that campaign as I never said I was.
So you either didn't read it, or you read it, and then decided to say I was painting myself as the "saviour of the free modding community" when I've specifically said I neither am or want to have that title. So yes, you look stupid. Even more so, now.HadToRegister wrote:Psijonica
Am I going to close all my account? No, not yet. But as soon as there is an alternative choice you can bet I will choose it.
I'm sure that threatening to close your FREE Nexus account that you pay NOTHING for, has most of the people at The Nexus quaking in their boots.seversky wrote: Psijonica, you are an incredibly spoiled little child. Go away please. Don't come back.phantompally76 wrote: I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.
Quite the opposite, actually.
And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.
You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.
And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.Reaper0021 wrote: There is no "Bigger Deal". All of it was blatantly obvious, in the open and known by those of us that bothered to read it. These attacks are starting to get pretty damn pathetic. There was/is no conspiracy nor big deals made that have betrayed anyone.TKHBMVP wrote: From my community experiences in the early 90ies until now on several forums and when usnet newsgroups support forums started remembering from the past, nothing has changed so far with the participants and their communication habbits ;-) It is still the same.
But when I read across all of this thread I'm happy that a lot of people making up their mind on this topic and thinking about the different point of views of the involved people.
Finally this proved that Nexus has a great audience and value modders and members sharing a most valuable content.Psijonica wrote: YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA ;D The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.
I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?
*SIGH* Look at his last words, "That is what I will fight. That is what I will champion against." and tell me that he is not proclaiming himself as the white knight LoL
and to those of you who say he is not making money, please who are you fooling... he is raking it in and he is only here instead of on vacation trying to protect his money.joeriz9 wrote: Keep it up kiddo, Good way to get yourself banned by not reading anything that has actually been said.Reaper0021 wrote: Why are you even posting Psijonica? I mean what's the point you're trying to make beyond just annoying the staff? He was transparent about this whole thing to begin with. There is no hidden agenda. It was publicly posted and I read it before it was brought up by a member who found it the same way I did: Just looked and it was there. It wasn't 'hidden' and wasn't an attempt to be deceptive.locomotive1236 wrote: "YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.
I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?"
If you consider that bullying, I'm not sure what world you live in. As I understand it from his posts, he's staying neutral at the moment because he understands both sides. I also do not see any point of arguing with someone who is incapable of see things from only one perspective and have such a fragile self-esteem.MCato wrote: "As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community you are not fooling me"
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Please show me any of your mods, even the smallest. Then I'll take your words seriouslyHadToRegister wrote:Psijonica
YaY! You called me stupid twice!
Actually, no he didn't, what you HAVE done though, is shown that twice now, you lack any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, which also explains why you have the whole Valve/Nexus thing so wrong.
Because you read and then interpret everything the way you WANT it to be, rather than the way it actually IS, facts be damned.SchwererGustav wrote: It's a joke really , anybody with a brain can see were this is going and it is definitely not going to be good for modders who do it for the love of modding and not for the shekkels.
The corps and shareholders will love this news, alot of people (with alot of money) will make a quick buck and leave the modding community in the dirt.
But who are we to judge we don't have a shitload of servers that the community payd for...Reaper0021 wrote: Had is right. Your a stone-headed kid that's got a conspiracy theory to play with and I'll be damned if your immature ass isn't going to play with it. You just refuse to read and comprehend what's written or you see ulterior motives abounding in everything people say and do.sunshinenbrick wrote: I hope I don't regret bringing this point up. We are entitled to opinions are we not? And we are allowed to doubt what people say at face value, are we not? That is part of a community and it does not help to throw insults at one another, even if it's understandable as we all have a lot of passion about modding.gingersnapples wrote: you sir are a clever troll, or wear lead-lined hats on a daily basis. can't decide which.
oh well. time ever flows onward, and this, too, shall pass.ZeroKing wrote: Yeah! Community effort, guys! We get stuff for free, we'll give no support for the effort here, and we demand retribution for what the site owner believes in because he has to pay for the servers..... oh wait.
I forgot about the $500,000 annual server cost that most of us contribute next to nothing for. Yeah, reality sucks, eh?Reaper0021 wrote: Yes your opinions are indeed welcome. This person isn't stating an "Opinion" this person has taken facts, mixed them up into his/her own little theory, and is attacking Dark0ne. Best if you don't get involved in it as you too seem to not know whats going on either. ****I'm giving you Kudos Zero cause I haven't seen you in so long.Psijonica wrote: No reaper he has not been honest at all. When explain your self and leave out certain elements then that is being dishonest.
Let's face it, the reason he is saying is is neutral is because he is afraid to actually state his position. Wishy washy... and because I have an opposite opinion of how he has handled this now everybody trolls me. LoL Like I care. I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.
I believer he has lied, I believe he is not being honest and I don't trust his so called good intentions.
I can not believe for the life of me what is happening and you know what, if this goes through then this whole generation deserves SOPA and all the other corporations to come in take over the internet.
Of course I say that with tongue in cheek but I have been fighting the machine my whole life and I am getting tired... this really makes me not want to care any more and just let the children work it out themselves.
Pay-for-mods is the absolute worst thing that can happen and it is pretty much a done deal.
If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?ZeroKing wrote: PhD in biomedical engineering, have a wife and 6 children. Disabled from the waist down, and still work across 17 countries annually.
Doesn't pay Robin's server bills with my personal morals and my credentials, does it?Reaper0021 wrote: "Pay for mods" is a bad idea. I'm 44, own 4 houses (live in one rent the others 3 small houses to help my disability) and have 1 child...no wife. And? The make-up of my family or my residence doesn't validate my words any more than it does yours. He isn't betraying us. It was always there to see...I know I read it. I'm sorry this has all happened to turn this community on it's damned head. I've seen you posting in forums before and you are one smart guy. You really are. I've enjoyed your input in the past and it's hard for me to see you being this willfully stubborn.sunshinenbrick wrote: Ha, thank you... I think :/ I have never considered myself a troll (only learnt what it was a couple of year ago...) being a bit of old fashioned.
I just think it can be unwise to just use the arguement that "it's just the way it is". But I also think there can be constructive ways to talk about this. As in trying to organise a way of reducing this "slippery slope" that has been mentioned a number of times. And I wanted to suggest that getting hissy with each other is not going to help... perhaps that what was predicted to happen??benjaminpen wrote: Are you drunk? No, seriously... Are you? You seem a little incoherent to me.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I see no conflict between the following two statements:
"I WILL NOT fight someone's right to charge for mods on ANOTHER site. It is NOT okay to charge for mods on THIS site."
"I WILL fight anyone who says I don't have the right to NOT CHARGE for mods on MY site."
And no, I don't think that mod authors being able to donate some of the money being made to the Nexus is a conflict either.
edit: He didn't get the money from the modders' cut, he got it from Valve's cut.Reaper0021 wrote: Your right Sunshine maybe that's what I needed to calm down was an impartial 3rd to say something. Yeah I'm going to let this rest for now. Try again tomorrow I think. Peace to you all and Kudos to Sunshinenbrick.HadToRegister wrote:
Psijonica
I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.
Yet here you are, complaining about seeing advertisements on your FREE account.
If you actually HAD all of that stuff, and were mature, you wouldn't need to list ANY of that, as it has NOTHING to do with your conspiracy theory.
Psijonica
If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?
Hey, let's see you contribute to the $500,000 annual upkeep for the nexus THAT YOU USE FOR FREE.
You're using a website for FREE and demanding that someone else PAY for something that has already been explained, that all of us adults were able to comprehend quite clearly on our first read-through of Robin's article.
At this point, I can only chalk up your incomprehension of Robin's explanation as, you're either Drunk, or you're now too emotionally invested in this to save face and back out out gracefully by apologizing.
At this point, you're in a hole so deep, and refuse to see it, that if someone threw you a ladder, you'd start digging with it.sunshinenbrick wrote: Thanks :D Yeah I really hope that dialogues between parties can be kept open so that they can mutually benefit each other. I know that sounds a bit soppy but I suppose (more movie taglines coming up) we do need to have some hope here... not easy I know but its that or dispair!Psijonica wrote: Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?
i am not being stubborn, I am standing up for what I believe in. There is a difference. Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods. Either way it doesn't hurt him. Right now we are downloading every mod we can because I know that all the mods for Oblivion will soon be pay- for -mod, all the Morrowind mods will be Pay-for-mod...
THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense. Now all these modders are going to cry about SOPA??? hahahaha You deserve SOPA now!monkeyweather wrote: Thanks for keeping this whole thing civil to the best of your abilities, and for keeping everyone in the loop as much as you can.SchwererGustav wrote: well i helped people to get their modded skyrim to run for 2 month in the forum after that i thought i payed back what i downloaded here.
and this is the only website i had my addblocker off, too(you know how every other site makes money).
I'm not rich and Psijonica isn't eather i guess so we take that little fun we have left in our lives,
freedom, creativity and helping other people thats what i thought was this side about, but now they sell out and take that last piece of choice that makes us burst out in anger.. can't you people understand this?
This deal will mark the beginning of the end off modding, the last bastion of freedom that was left...Pestilenz wrote: Yeah the community paid for the servers, by either choosing to get premium either because they had money to spare, wanted to help or wanted the extra features or by "gob beware" using the site and downloading mods, I feel so abused shame one you Dark0ne.sunshinenbrick wrote: I totally understand what you mean by paying for things through other means than money (creativity, support, non-financial contribution) however I do hope that sometimes it is best to take down things you don't agree with from within. This is to say that although I cannot speak for the site owner nor do I know, or ever talked to him, but he has stated his position and we should try give him some benefit of the doubt because there are things that can be safeguarded against.
Suppose time will tell but it is somewhat comforting to know that the players at hand here do see the value of the community here. Admittedly it might be money orientated, however we can have the chance to show them there is more to modding than that. Then maybe they will see that suffocating all aspects of the free community will stifle creativity. I hope. And we can start by using donation systems. But that's money I hear you say??? Yes but it is important HOW you give money and WHO you give it to.HadToRegister wrote:Psijonica
Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?
I'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.
Psijonica
Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods
HE ONLY BENEFITS.......ONLY, if someone CHECKS THE BOX that says "Send 5% of the earning for this mod to the Nexus", there are also checkboxes to send 5% to the makers of NifSKope and Blender as well.
Why aren't you complaining about those two things possibly getting 5% whenever someone checks the box for them to receive 5% of the income?
If a modder DOESN'T check that box for The NEXUS, or NifSkope etc then the Nexus and NifSkope etc get NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING, is sent to the Nexus, NOTHING....
Do you UNDERSTAND IT YET?
The Nexus isn't getting a cut of any mods being sold on SteamWorks UNLESS THE MOD AUTHOR CHECKS THE BOX to let the Nexus have 5% of the sales as a "Thank You"
Psijonica
THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense.
It's still "Free and Fun" (especially for YOU Ms. "Free Nexus Account" ), however, you're directing your anger at the wrong personTanniss wrote: actually he is getting money from the community unless he is independantly wealthy or paying his creditors with air he gets his money from ad's that we help support by not having ad block on and by the memberships that people pay for as well as donations from the communityTanniss wrote: which can and will be used later on down the road to take away any credibility on darkones part if he decides to stop fence sitting and pick the side of being afraid free modding is going to disappear by saying hey why you bitching now when you had no problem taking donations from our (valves ) cut instead of the modders giving a cut to nexus for this site being such a great place to find tools and free mods
I am surprised that no one sees this because its buying him even if he or us dont think so because at the end of the day if you take money from those who are trying to take and run a monopoly no matter the small % given you are still silently supporting the endeavor they are trying to force down everyone elses throat
and mind you im not being a troll nor am i stupid and if some feel the need to toss insults towards me so be it bottom line is when you take money for something that you think is more than likely going to be inherently wrong that makes your arguments a little less weightyPsijonica wrote: HadToRegister
Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?
You keep on trying to goat me with your pathetic attempts in arguing with me but I have been ignoring you. You are a troll and your continued attempts into drawing me into a flame war will fail.
You failed :)Reaper0021 wrote: See you made a good point and did it in such a way that doesn't speak of "Conspiracy Theories" running rampant. No your not stupid at all and you do make good points. The 'other' person on this thread is on an obvious witch hunt. Big difference. I shouldn't have to point that out to you.Psijonica wrote: Thanks monkeyweather, it has not been easy to keep things civil especially when the owner of the site comes and trolls my post effectively giving permission for everybody else to do the same. Shame on him for that.
I read all his posts and his reddits and although he tries to pretend to pin Gabe down on the DRM issue he himself doesn't even make public his own position on Pay-for-Mods.
This is why I don't trust him. I deal with politicians for a living, I am well tuned to the BS station.Reaper0021 wrote: NOBODY cares you are a Lesbian with a chip on her shoulder. Nobody cares about your sexual orientation. Period. None of us. Nobody has said anything except, after you felt the need to back-up your arguments with telling us how you own a home and your kids are responsible and your married and whatnot, all anybody has said was "Good for you and hope your happy. And my religious beliefs fly contrary to your chosen lifestyle...but do you hear me saying anything? No. Good. Nobody is going to be baited into a "Gay and Lesbian" tirade debate with you so you have yet even MORE to gripe about along with what you're already doing.phantompally76 wrote: you're, not your.Reaper0021 wrote: you're, not your.
It's late and i don't care. The point is made but ty anyway.Kusumura wrote:I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.
Quite the opposite, actually.
And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.
You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.
And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.
- From phantompally76
Oh, God. Please, let's not have this become #skyrimgate2015...
EDIT: Fixed up the quote.HadToRegister wrote:
Psijonica
Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?
No problem at all, I have gay and lesbian friends, and, as I said in my post.
[i'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.]
Now, you've definitely got some MAJOR reading comprehension problems if you are somehow getting that I have a problem with the LGBT community with my comment.
At this point, I'll just chalk it up to you either have some type of reading comprehension problem, or are just belligerent and looking to fight about EVERYTHING.
Anyway, I'm completely fed up with you, because you aren't even participating in the discussion anymore, and instead are acting like a belligerent party-goer who has had a few too many drinks, and wants to try and turn EVERYTHING into a fightRullnick wrote: Your mistake is thinking that he can only be on ONE side of the issue, Either he's FOR paid mods or He's AGAINST them. When in reality he's neither, he's neutral because the paid mods aren't the deciding thing here.
He said he isn't a champion white-knight for free mods, and he said he isn't a money-hungry demon from hell. He just wants mods to be free and open when the mod creators want them to be. Why are you so goddamn narrow-sighted? If you read the post you would see you're exactly the kind of people he is talking about.
By the way, people disagreeing with you isn't "trolling". It's just you being unable to take f*#@ing criticism.Reaper0021 wrote: I agree the whole "Lesbian" thing is this.....person just trying to bait us into a fight and make it look as if we have issues with her ilk. Don't be fooled into any type of debate. I'm going to go play some Attila at any rate online, so peace to you all. I'm done with this nightmare of a woman and her continued inability to basically 'comprehend' that which has been made clear time and time again.RaskorGaming wrote: "Endorsements given: 279"
Oh, really?iloveyoupurples wrote: Everyone has an opinion, here's mine. I agree with you about half way. The mod users, get the fair deal. We get free mods. We have a place to get them, a place to install them. A place to discuss it. I take issue on behalf of the authors. Nexus is a business. Nexus is owned by a person. Said person makes a nice bloated salary. Such is business. As a consumer I'm getting the best deal period. Free mods. We come here to get mods. We view adds. We pay for premium accounts so it doesn't take 30 years to download a mod. No big deal. These mod authors make mods. Robin makes a tidy profit because we come to get them. Mod authors are given nothing. Robin pays for xyz. Cool. Robin makes a bloated profit from the investment. Mod authors get nothing. We don't come to view the adds. Or add to his cooperate portfolio. We come for mods. He gets paid because of it. Mod authors get nothing. Blah blah blah he pays xyz. Cool. Is it suddenly non profit? I had no issue knowing all this before valve decided to sell mods off the backs of their authors. I take issue now because it's hypocritical for him to say anything considering we come here for free mods WHILE MOD AUTHORS GET NOTHING. Then raise the banner of MODZFREEFROEVARRRR etc. If I were you I'd have kept my mouth shut on my opinion. It's hypocritical. You profit off the mod authors just like valve is trying to. So I agree with Psijonica to a degree. Yeah, you made a good business decision making a website and shored up a tidy residual sum for yourself. Problem I have is you wave a flag as if you're non profit. Mod authors are getting shafted. Period. I wish I could afford to donate to every mod I use, sadly I can't. Still From now on, when I have an extra dollar on my meager salary I'm buying a good author a coffee. Sorry authors I should have decided to donate sooner.Psijonica wrote:
75 mods have been hidden on the Nexus because the mod makers are scared that people are going to steal their assets, some people are talking about taking down any tips they've given out because people are going to steal them to make a profit. We're already seeing the lose part of the paywall when the community closed down and people are too paranoid to share their resources. We've already seen assets being stolen, lazy and unfinished mods being sold and one person putting out a free version with an annoying pop up.
The shadowscale armor is one item, clips with numerous races, you have to use the console to get it.
Chesko and Isoku used assets they had no right to use when they sold their mods and are now getting DMCA'd
Midas Magic put a annoying pop-up on the free version for a paid version that isn't anymore polished or improved.
Right now, literally this thread, is a example of the community getting split and damaged. Everyone is losing besides Valve and Bethesda, no one in this thread is winning under the current model.
@ HadToRegister
if you continue to pester me I will just have to report you. I am not even talking to you or even paying attention to what you are writing. Please leave me alone.
@ Reaper0021
i am not sure what your problem is. One post you are saying I am smart and the next you are accusing me of trying to bait you into an argument. Take it easy, you seem to be losing control of your self. if you are actually getting upset then the problem lies between your own ears. You posted that you were and adult in your 40's? No way. People in their 40's don't act like this. At this point you give me reason to ask that you please, please just leave me be. Ty.
No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% free mods 4-ever.
"The spirit of modding is sharing. In order to grow in quality rather than in quantity, modding has to be a labour of love, not a labour for money." - EmmaReaper0021 wrote: iloveyoupurples now this is how you make a point. This post right here.Reaper0021 wrote: In your past posts....you have been great. I said that and asked you "Why" you're all over the place right now/tonight? DON'T try to blame me for your woes or act as if I'm doing you harm. You've done that all on your own tonight. You deliberately played your "Lesbian" card in such a manner as to warrant caution cause you seem to be looking for a fight. You deliberately attempted to bait HadToRegister into a "do you have something against Lesbian/Gay's" argument. All here can see it and all here have said as much (about how you've maybe bee ndrinking tonight cause you say one thing then contradict yourself saying another without ANY thought of what you're saying".Psijonica wrote: Ya so what. Leave me alone. I was just giving him a little taste of his own medicine.
What does that have to do with you? Right! Nothing. Now go pester someone else. You want to pay for mods, go ahead. I don't care about you. You are not even a modder. I have released mods, only one here but I have mods on other forums. so I am asking you politely...; if you are the adult that you claim then please respect my wishes and stop already. I am not talking to you any more. If you are the adult you claim to be then please act like it now. -
In response to post #24657549. #24657709, #24657874, #24658024, #24658054, #24658104 are all replies on the same post.Okay my bad yeah I think it was.nekollx wrote:bigdeano89 wrote: Thats a simple solution; download said mod, repack it into a compressed file, uninstall from steam and install via MO.
BTW, I do agree that steam is a horrible place to get mods, so I think our wires got crossed there, I just couldnt understand why Gopher was getting brought into this for no other reason than as "here, this guy does similar, attack him" or at least thats how it sounded.
The method i used above is also the major flaw in this whole paid-for system, and why it has taken next to no time for people to upload the files to torrent sites.sunshinenbrick wrote: This is interesting as I think Bethesda may have backed themselves into a corner a little here and the modding community may hold the cards.
Compatibility is the problem... and Bethesda's growing reliance on the modding community to "fix" the inherently glitchy games they make. No Bethesda game I have ever played even loaded the first time I booted it up. It is ONLY because of communities like this one that I am even here writing this post.
In addition to this is a few comments I have read about the other 3rd party tools, including NMM, that are almost necessary to be able to effectively mod the game.Reaper0021 wrote: Gopher was and I was defending him as he has done "NO" wrong and has even stated his mods would still remain free and open to us all. Sorry if I lost you on that bigdean89.Reaper0021 wrote: Yes you can disable BUT it doesn't always stay disabled. AND those overwrites....left my game folder looking like an explosion went off in the folders.bigdeano89 wrote: No, I am with you Reaper, thats why i defended Gopher. I think it was simply misinterpreted from Nekollx.
Update on NMM version 0.60 and FAQ
in Site Updates
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I'm going to wait a bit. Tried the new update, and it did completely destroy my game. I, however, am a computer expert if you will and had the forethought to back everything up, so I just reverted back to previous NMM version and re-installed my mods (194) and am rolling on. Yes, cost me a few hours of tinkering but that's what modding is essentially about right? Messing with your game and it's files to achieve something.
So, all in all, love the work you do, but must ask this one question of you all at "Nexus": Why the continued updates to NMM? I am happy to see them but must wonder if it isn't broke...why mess with it? Skyrim is what? 4 years old? I've seen very stable NMM versions yet wonder why the need to continue to attempt improvements to it at all? NOT that I'm against it at all (and I'm a paid supporter of this site so I'm glad to see my investment being utilized by continued improvements) but I'd say, in my own opinion, get a stable and good version of NMM working for Skyrim then leave it be. Seems you'd encounter less headache that way.