I c It's WRYE bash, not WYRE bash. Like RYE Bread, not Telephone WIRE. :wink: I use Wrye Bash extensively, but am slowing switching over to Vortex. Wrye Bash is powerful, but it does have a heavy learning curve, but once you learn it, you'll love it. Vortex wouldn't let me sort my load order. My mods where all over the place. And thanks for correcting me on the saying of Wyre Bash. To me it looked like Wire Bash so thats why I was calling it that. :) A question about WYRE BASH, I had two .esl files (creation club items I got for free) how do I get them to work with wyre bash?