Continuing on this helps with the rest of Crashes. I was running into a memory issue with all the scripts running. using the Alpha of SKSE eliminated it. short version memory block1 did not have enough so it was causing CTD depending on how many scripts were loaded. Long version found Sheson's memory block log located at http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50471/?. started running it and found it quickly capping to the max of the allocated memory. from there found a tutorial for how to do it but it showed the other option of just using the alpha SKSE. been testing since then and not a single CTD.