OK, got both wrye and boss, now the fun part. Its taking me the better of 2 days to install this so i have no future problems, and now i find Boss to be completely ( dare i say, confusing ). I got a "log?", in which it reorders the mods to work, but heck, in my current state, I probably couldn't install a simple program. TY for the help You and Y have giving, gives me hope for Skyrim, dare i say minus beths help. Sry, i went a Lil OTP, but, I install the supps i use, correct? EDIT------- just realized what was going on, its "recommending" I install various mods to work with the vanilla version. I would, but I'm going to add mods soon, is the recs pointless? DBL EDIT------- no supplimentals are installed yet, now I'm really confused........