Awesome. I got this s*** ALL figured out now. Did everything you said and now it's working for males and females. Two more questions, do i still need to even use the esm for robert's better bodies if i'm changing the data files anyway? Second question, is there a file out there, I've been looking all morning but not finding anything, that has robert's resource files? Slof's, though beautifully done, are frighteningly over-muscled and the skin tone is pretty shiny. I'll keep looking in the mean time but if anyone knows where i might find these, it would be helpful. Thanks again for your help Wetblanket, you and Hickory have been amazing. I really appreciate all the help.