Ok I tried deactivating both the Knights and Shivering isles data files, and then saving in a new save slot, but when I reactivated the data files and loaded my new save, still nothing. I waited a couple days, but nothing. iansaltman - I did what you said, I went into the chapel, then came back out and talked to the prophet, but all I got was the pilgrimage quest and 8 and one thing. Then I typed the TMM 1 into my console and got all the map markers, but the door in Niben bay wasn't there still. Btw I assumed you meant Bravil instead of Bruma in your post. So I'm still lost..lol. I'm also using the obse_loader instead of the normal way, so could that effect it at all?