thanks for this input I'll give your suggestion a shot, - and it also has me thinking - perhaps if the script gives the PC a spell with the Fx attached, then makes the PC cast the spell, then removes the spell - perhaps this will be a fix here's some additional infos - these FXSprigganFX01Effect, etc. are objects in the Visual Effects property type, so they don't pull up specifically in ck, this explains to me why I can't use simple console command to address it - The PC has no spell that they know creating this issue Here's how this anomoly plays out - PC comes into contact with an NPC or creature with a Visual Effect on it - PC catches the visual Fx its some kinda Skyrim bug, I think - I have a NPC follower that has a Visual Fx attached to her constantly via a spell that she knows, it is supposed to be there - NPCs and PC constantly come into contact with her and never 'catch' the Fx - but occassionally the PC or another follower NPC witll 'catch' the Fx (about 0.6% occurance accross all people's games - you seem to either have this issue or you never have this issue ever) So the Fx isn't from a spell - but I might be able to use a spell to fix it - let me try this and i'll report back