Thanks for the reply, I checked the mod list and none of these mods are on the list, The way I tested the issue is by starting a clean game with no npc mods and activating them after ,I'm not sure how this will be different to starting a new game with LAL everytime. I checked the edits on test5edit andI don't think the mods are conflicting in anyway, in fact the people of skyrim is said to be compatible with immersive citzen but I still get the issue when I start the game